Chapter Discussion Knowing King's secret - How is that gonna help Zoro win?

#22
Looks like Zoro trying to find King's weakness and it would super disappointing if he has one. Slice his little crest and he loses all his powers some bullshit.
 
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Herrera95

#24
All YC1's haxes have a loophole you can exploit to beat them:

1. Katakuri has FS, but can only be used as long as his haki does not run out and he remains calm. Luffy beat him by way of attrition.

2. Marco has near-infinite regen, but only if he has the stamina for it. Once he became exhausted, King fucked him up.

Zoro probably thought King's "tougher than Kaido" durability hax has something to do with King's race (which is reasonable), because obviously trying to cut down a giant or a fishman is a whole lot different from cutting down a human or a fish.
1. Luffy lost to Katakuri. And he didn't used the knowledge of FS to do it. Snakeman speed was bullshit still slower than Katakuri and Katakuri was still dodging as nothing.

2. Again doesn't make a difference if King knew or not about this. All he had to do was keep fighting until he won. Is not like Marco had AP to damage him.


This is just Oda adding bullshit for no reason.
 
#25
Isn't the core of a swordsman the ability to get the grip on the material he's trying to cut (Mihawk/Das Bornes, for example)?
King, due to his Lunarian race, probably has a whole different skin/substance covering him, which is unknown to Zoro.
This is how I interpreted it, let's see where Oda Is heading...
 
#27
Luffy lost against Caesar because he didn't know he can remove Oxygen near him
Knowledge is important, not always in One Piece World like Jojo's World or Hunter x Hunter, but it's still there sometimes, especially when it's clearly stated, such as this current King Fight
That is not the same tho. For Caeser it's knowing his ability and be prepared for it, like holding your breath before he takes the air away.
Or finding out that the reason for Katakuri being unhittable is not his DF but his FS, so you have to counter that with your own future sight.

So far King's wings seem to be pretty hard or something, there is no "special" trick behind it, it's as straight forward as it can get. That is what Zoro is struggling against right now aswell as King's physical strength. Zoro should already know that he is struggling because of those 2 things. How do you counter a strong defense? With strong attacks. Zoro have to power up for that anyways. So what does it matter what race he is? Is his defense gonna get weaker from that? King doesn't have hax abilities, he just has strong physical strength and defense. It's not a hax technique or something, you just have to hit harder to beat him. Hence why i don't see a point in Zoro's statement.

We have to wait and see, but so far it seems more like a forced way from Oda to give us Lunarian lore.
 
#28
Thats just a plot device for Oda to give us more info on Lunarians without feeling too out of nowhere and probably to develop more of Zoro fire cutting ability.
This. Oda has always been opposed to info dumps mid-arc. He wants to integrate Kings story into the fight to make it more streamlined.
 
#29
That is not the same tho. For Caeser it's knowing his ability and be prepared for it, like holding your breath before he takes the air away.
Or finding out that the reason for Katakuri being unhittable is not his DF but his FS, so you have to counter that with your own future sight.

So far King's wings seem to be pretty hard or something, there is no "special" trick behind it, it's as straight forward as it can get. That is what Zoro is struggling against right now aswell as King's physical strength. Zoro should already know that he is struggling because of those 2 things. How do you counter a strong defense? With strong attacks. Zoro have to power up for that anyways. So what does it matter what race he is? Is his defense gonna get weaker from that? King doesn't have hax abilities, he just has strong physical strength and defense. It's not a hax technique or something, you just have to hit harder to beat him. Hence why i don't see a point in Zoro's statement.

We have to wait and see, but so far it seems more like a forced way from Oda to give us Lunarian lore.
It's obvious that King's Secret increases his Defense, it's not his Raw Durability
He isn't Kaidou or Big Mom, nor did he modify his Body like Queen or Kuma
And he isn't Healing like Marco or Dodging like Kata

The guy is like Immune to Damage
Meaning those Hits are going somewhere else
So Zoro simply needs to first Destroy that Source of his Ability & then he can wreck him
 
#30
This. Oda has always been opposed to info dumps mid-arc. He wants to integrate Kings story into the fight to make it more streamlined.
Its definitely something tricky. He is just like or similar to katakuri. Which is why he was next to him on the coverpage. Both red eyes mad when people ople see true face/mouth. When Zoro cracks mask, King will reveal his history and his abilities.
 
#31
Its like learn about Kaido toughness. Kaido commented about that on the rooftop guys.

It will help him to beat king. Especially if Zoro thinks that there is someone similar to King, that is Sanji. So, Zoro will have another Motivation to kill Sanji. Its gonna be fun watching fanbase.

Shonen style : 'Himitsu'
 
#33
As the title says, how is learning about King being a Lunarian gonna help Zoro win? I honestly don't really get this statement.
It's like saying: I am not gonna be able to beat a Fishmen if i don't find out that he is one lol

Zoro has simply to cut him down, what does the race have to do with that? King doesn't have any hax abilities which you can only by pass with brains or have to find out how it works first to beat him.
So far it really seems that Kings wings act like a shild and that's one thing Zoro has to get pass. But that is an obvious thing which doesn't require the knowledge of the race. It's not like you are gonna be able to by pass his wings much easier once you know his race lol
Other than that, he has high regen because of his DF so Zoro just has to use a very strong attack to keep him down for good. That is also very straight forward.

So i don't really see how knowing about his race is gonna change anything. Zoro is also getting overpowered right now, is the knowledge gonna make him stronger? Ofc not.

What are your guys thoughts about that statement? It just really seems kinda weird to me.
King's fire is due to his race.
King's fire, from the looks of it, allows him to ignore damage.
He probably takes damage like normal when his fire isn't burning.
This is my guess as to what the secret is.

So, once Zoro figures out this secret.
He first cuts the fire.
Then, he can fight normally.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#34
As the title says, how is learning about King being a Lunarian gonna help Zoro win? I honestly don't really get this statement.
It's like saying: I am not gonna be able to beat a Fishmen if i don't find out that he is one lol

Zoro has simply to cut him down, what does the race have to do with that? King doesn't have any hax abilities which you can only by pass with brains or have to find out how it works first to beat him.
So far it really seems that Kings wings act like a shild and that's one thing Zoro has to get pass. But that is an obvious thing which doesn't require the knowledge of the race. It's not like you are gonna be able to by pass his wings much easier once you know his race lol
Other than that, he has high regen because of his DF so Zoro just has to use a very strong attack to keep him down for good. That is also very straight forward.

So i don't really see how knowing about his race is gonna change anything. Zoro is also getting overpowered right now, is the knowledge gonna make him stronger? Ofc not.

What are your guys thoughts about that statement? It just really seems kinda weird to me.
It’s like I said here,

Finding out that King is a Lunarian will change nothing about this fight lol. Oda is simply a dumbass who’s fans will accept whatever nonsense he throws at them. The real reason Oda is pulling this crap is because he needs to artificially extend the length of Zoro vs King to meet some arbitrary “chapter quota” set by the Shonen executives.

This follows Oda’s time-honored writing philosophy of “if you can’t make it good, make it long as fuck” so that people will mistake the relief that they feel when Zoro vs King ends with the fight itself actually being good. When so far, this fight has been as low-quality as every other fight in Wano, with Oda forgetting what he even wrote last week as dementia slowly envelops his mind. From King’s suddenly repaired helmet, to King’s initial lack of interest in Zoro’s orthodox fighting style to suddenly and weirdly craving a sword-fight with him, Oda is truly hoping to bombard his audience with so much meaningless crap that they forget what happened even last chapter.

This ensures that no matter how low Oda sinks as a writer, and no matter how shitty his own series becomes, his fans will continue to rabidly consume every filler chapter he throws at them without knowing how to tell if this shit is even good or if Oda has even stayed consistent to the story he has begun telling.

So long-story short, Zoro finding out that King is a lunarian will obviously net him absolutely 0 benefit towards winning the fight, and will not grant Zoro any new tactical knowledge that allow him to win, since Zoro will ultimately win the fight using generic cool-pose attack #56 with no regards for King’s race.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#36
It’s like I said here,

Finding out that King is a Lunarian will change nothing about this fight lol. Oda is simply a dumbass who’s fans will accept whatever nonsense he throws at them. The real reason Oda is pulling this crap is because he needs to artificially extend the length of Zoro vs King to meet some arbitrary “chapter quota” set by the Shonen executives.

This follows Oda’s time-honored writing philosophy of “if you can’t make it good, make it long as fuck” so that people will mistake the relief that they feel when Zoro vs King ends with the fight itself actually being good. When so far, this fight has been as low-quality as every other fight in Wano, with Oda forgetting what he even wrote last week as dementia slowly envelops his mind. From King’s suddenly repaired helmet, to King’s initial lack of interest in Zoro’s orthodox fighting style to suddenly and weirdly craving a sword-fight with him, Oda is truly hoping to bombard his audience with so much meaningless crap that they forget what happened even last chapter.

This ensures that no matter how low Oda sinks as a writer, and no matter how shitty his own series becomes, his fans will continue to rabidly consume every filler chapter he throws at them without knowing how to tell if this shit is even good or if Oda has even stayed consistent to the story he has begun telling.

So long-story short, Zoro finding out that King is a lunarian will obviously net him absolutely 0 benefit towards winning the fight, and will not grant Zoro any new tactical knowledge that allow him to win, since Zoro will ultimately win the fight using generic cool-pose attack #56 with no regards for King’s race.
I seriously hope that all Lunarians are capable to use flames as life force material, that would explain why they were so feared.
 
#38
one of the most stupid plot we ever face for now, race card shonen style, LOL "I need to know his race so that i can beeat him". lets say zoro already found out about Kings race , how will it solve his problem of not able to injure him? still need to know more about his race, like knowing something about lunarian , what are their nature, weaknesses what was their skin made of, etc, unless zoro instantly become genius all of a sudden, and already knew all those stuff after knowing his race, that would be B'S worst plot armor in history of manga.
 
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