Current Events Kuma backstory is irrelevant

[Salah WG]

I agree with most of this but the part about Akainu being investigated by Sword because he might've been plotting with Kaido sounds way too far-fetched.

I doubt Akainu hating Dragon is anything personal and is just part of his Absolute Justice philosophy of dealing with pirates and other enemies of the goverment.

Same reason he sunk the evacuation ship at Ohara, killed marines who he thought "don't believe in justice" and why he was so adamant on killing Ace.

I have my reasons why i believe Akainu is Secretly Plotting against WG
But let's think about some Hints

Sword is a Secret Marine Force, their Captain is X-Drake who had a Father who betrayed Marines, they recruited Koby & they seem to work against WG, so it's obvious that Sword's Ultimate Goal is to make Marines better & free of corruption (Koby, Drake, Helmeppo all witnessed Marine Corruption, so it's obviously the Main Drive of this Squad)

Now let me ask you, they are investigating who? a Captain? a Vice Admiral? Obviously not, cuz X-Drake can easily ask someone like Aokiji or Garp or Sengoku to fire someone of such Rank, but there is a Rank that even a Fleet Admiral can't fully command alone & that's "Admirals"

Oda made sure to add a Scene where he showed us Sengoku requesting Aokiji to be the New Fleet Admiral from Kong who works in Mary Geoise, so it's clear that only WG can determine who gets to be an Admiral or Fleet Admiral & who gets removed.
This would perfectly justify the formation of Sword that tries to investigate Admiral Rank Marines

We've seen Pre-TS that X-Drake was already planning to join Beasts Pirates to Investigate meaning that whoever he is Investigating is already working for Marines, is it Sengoku? No he Resigned, is it Aokiji? No, he resigned, is it Fujitora or Ryokugyu? No, they joined much later.
So that leaves us with only Akainu & Kizaru

What does Oda show us then? Koby who only joined Marines recently managed to join a Secret Special Force?
What did he do to prove that they can trust him? He proved himself during MF when he gave that Speech against Akainu, which is very convenient tbh. Oda goes even further & Hints that the newly Introduced Female Marine of Sword is most probably Akainu's Daughter but she is nothing like him Personality wise

What else happened? Oda could have simply made Akainu a Fleet Admiral, Aokiji refuses to work for him & resigns, end of story.
Why make Sengoku suggest Aokiji as Fleet Admiral to create a Rivalry with Akainu?
It's to show us that a lot of High-Ranking Members of WG & Marines wanted Akainu as Fleet Admiral instead, you think they were simply thinking "I prefer Akainu, he is cooler or smarter"? Ofc not, this is a Hint that there is some Corruption going on inside Marines & WG

And by Corruption, i mean they want a New Change in Rulership, a New Government, a New World where it's the Marines who rule, not Celestial Dragons whom Oda made sure to show us that Akainu doesn't really respect (For example even though he has same Justice as Lucci, he doesn't care about CDs the way Lucci does), so what kind of "Absolute" Justice Akainu wants? He wants Total Control

Now when we look at Wano Arc & we confirmed Drake being a Spy, there were many guesses about the nature of his Mission, what did he spend two years doing among Beasts Pirates? Was he looking for Poneglyphs? Was he spying on their Military Power? Was he trying to Assassinate Kaidou? Was he trying to Save someone? ... etc

Wano Arc ended & all those Guesses were wrong, Drake didn't try to get anything from Beasts Pirates nor did he reveal his MIssion even when Kaidou Lost, even when his Cover was blown, even when nothing about Beasts Pirates matter anymore, unless he was investigating something that didn't happen yet

What did Kaidou plan & didn't happen? His War Project against World Government
So when we put two & two together, it's clear to me that Drake was investigating Kaidou's Plan to take down WG & who are his Secret Allies, and as i explained above, it was none other than Akainu & whoever are supporting him to overthrow WG

Oda even went further & made Kaidou's Final Signature Attack a Magma Dragon which is extremely convenient, and he made sure to show us that Kaidou's Plan was a Secret & he refused to reveal to even Big Mom, justifying why Drake failed to get information for more than 2 Years

And finally, we were shown another Connection between Akainu & Bonney who is also related to Kuma, CDs & Revos (Whom Akainu clearly showed Strong Hate to, which is very convenient again). Do you know what Akainu told Bonney? He said i felt shivers when i heard you "Escaped" & she was angry at him

This indicates that Akainu really needs or cares about Bonney & she hates him for it, suggesting that he is using her for a great cause, and we saw that Gorosei said Blackbeard captured some Supernova, indicating that they don't really care or know about Bonney, so she wasn't imprisoned by WG, but Akainu himself

Anyway, all of these are Hints & Convenient Details that build up towards Akainu being Secretly Plotting against WG & he isn't shown doing much cuz he is waiting for the right moment & that's why he needs Pirates help & that's why he made a Deal with Kaidou (I have very strong evidence why i believe Akainu & Kaidou are Allies, but i will leave it for another Arc)

 

[Paperchampion23]

How can we say Kuma's flashback is irreelevant if its barely started lol? It clearly has to do woth Vegapunk, Revo's and the WG, key figures in this story.

 

[lee33]

How can we say Kuma's flashback is irreelevant if its barely started lol? It clearly has to do woth Vegapunk, Revo's and the WG, key figures in this story.

Because we are 25 years later and 1000 chapters later. Time to focus on the One Piece and Void Century. We don't need another self contained story that is only at best loosely connected to the main story like we have been getting the past 12 years.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I have my reasons why i believe Akainu is Secretly Plotting against WG
But let's think about some Hints

Sword is a Secret Marine Force, their Captain is X-Drake who had a Father who betrayed Marines, they recruited Koby & they seem to work against WG, so it's obvious that Sword's Ultimate Goal is to make Marines better & free of corruption (Koby, Drake, Helmeppo all witnessed Marine Corruption, so it's obviously the Main Drive of this Squad)

Now let me ask you, they are investigating who? a Captain? a Vice Admiral? Obviously not, cuz X-Drake can easily ask someone like Aokiji or Garp or Sengoku to fire someone of such Rank, but there is a Rank that even a Fleet Admiral can't fully command alone & that's "Admirals"

Oda made sure to add a Scene where he showed us Sengoku requesting Aokiji to be the New Fleet Admiral from Kong who works in Mary Geoise, so it's clear that only WG can determine who gets to be an Admiral or Fleet Admiral & who gets removed.
This would perfectly justify the formation of Sword that tries to investigate Admiral Rank Marines

We've seen Pre-TS that X-Drake was already planning to join Beasts Pirates to Investigate meaning that whoever he is Investigating is already working for Marines, is it Sengoku? No he Resigned, is it Aokiji? No, he resigned, is it Fujitora or Ryokugyu? No, they joined much later.
So that leaves us with only Akainu & Kizaru

What does Oda show us then? Koby who only joined Marines recently managed to join a Secret Special Force?
What did he do to prove that they can trust him? He proved himself during MF when he gave that Speech against Akainu, which is very convenient tbh. Oda goes even further & Hints that the newly Introduced Female Marine of Sword is most probably Akainu's Daughter but she is nothing like him Personality wise

What else happened? Oda could have simply made Akainu a Fleet Admiral, Aokiji refuses to work for him & resigns, end of story.
Why make Sengoku suggest Aokiji as Fleet Admiral to create a Rivalry with Akainu?
It's to show us that a lot of High-Ranking Members of WG & Marines wanted Akainu as Fleet Admiral instead, you think they were simply thinking "I prefer Akainu, he is cooler or smarter"? Ofc not, this is a Hint that there is some Corruption going on inside Marines & WG

And by Corruption, i mean they want a New Change in Rulership, a New Government, a New World where it's the Marines who rule, not Celestial Dragons whom Oda made sure to show us that Akainu doesn't really respect (For example even though he has same Justice as Lucci, he doesn't care about CDs the way Lucci does), so what kind of "Absolute" Justice Akainu wants? He wants Total Control

Now when we look at Wano Arc & we confirmed Drake being a Spy, there were many guesses about the nature of his Mission, what did he spend two years doing among Beasts Pirates? Was he looking for Poneglyphs? Was he spying on their Military Power? Was he trying to Assassinate Kaidou? Was he trying to Save someone? ... etc

Wano Arc ended & all those Guesses were wrong, Drake didn't try to get anything from Beasts Pirates nor did he reveal his MIssion even when Kaidou Lost, even when his Cover was blown, even when nothing about Beasts Pirates matter anymore, unless he was investigating something that didn't happen yet

What did Kaidou plan & didn't happen? His War Project against World Government
So when we put two & two together, it's clear to me that Drake was investigating Kaidou's Plan to take down WG & who are his Secret Allies, and as i explained above, it was none other than Akainu & whoever are supporting him to overthrow WG

Oda even went further & made Kaidou's Final Signature Attack a Magma Dragon which is extremely convenient, and he made sure to show us that Kaidou's Plan was a Secret & he refused to reveal to even Big Mom, justifying why Drake failed to get information for more than 2 Years

And finally, we were shown another Connection between Akainu & Bonney who is also related to Kuma, CDs & Revos (Whom Akainu clearly showed Strong Hate to, which is very convenient again). Do you know what Akainu told Bonney? He said i felt shivers when i heard you "Escaped" & she was angry at him

This indicates that Akainu really needs or cares about Bonney & she hates him for it, suggesting that he is using her for a great cause, and we saw that Gorosei said Blackbeard captured some Supernova, indicating that they don't really care or know about Bonney, so she wasn't imprisoned by WG, but Akainu himself

Anyway, all of these are Hints & Convenient Details that build up towards Akainu being Secretly Plotting against WG & he isn't shown doing much cuz he is waiting for the right moment & that's why he needs Pirates help & that's why he made a Deal with Kaidou (I have very strong evidence why i believe Akainu & Kaidou are Allies, but i will leave it for another Arc)

You're kind of all over the place with this.

Who pulls the strings of Sword? Are you saying the World Government? Cause if they were going to launch a spy mission against a Yonko for intel, they'd use Cipher Pol, not a Marine based Agency.

If you're not saying it's the World Government, then who else? Akainu is the highest ranked Marine. So who would Drake be reporting back to, that could do anything against the Fleet Admiral? The only people who could, would be the World Government, which once again circles back to them using a known Marine to infiltrate a Yonko, to get intel on their Fleet Admiral, which they wouldn't do. They have an entire organization of spies who are specifically trained for this sort of thing.

So I am not really sure what you are trying to say here.

 

[Salah WG]

You're kind of all over the place with this.

Who pulls the strings of Sword? Are you saying the World Government? Cause if they were going to launch a spy mission against a Yonko for intel, they'd use Cipher Pol, not a Marine based Agency.

If you're not saying it's the World Government, then who else? Akainu is the highest ranked Marine. So who would Drake be reporting back to, that could do anything against the Fleet Admiral? The only people who could, would be the World Government, which once again circles back to them using a known Marine to infiltrate a Yonko, to get intel on their Fleet Admiral, which they wouldn't do. They have an entire organization of spies who are specifically trained for this sort of thing.

So I am not really sure what you are trying to say here.

Akainu can't plot against WG?
Sword already exists, we don't need to prove anything about it's existence

 

[Paperchampion23]

Because we are 25 years later and 1000 chapters later. Time to focus on the One Piece and Void Century. We don't need another self contained story that is only at best loosely connected to the main story like we have been getting the past 12 years.

And yet youll have to wait another 5+ years for that, get over it

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

Delete this Thread. Kumas special Race is about to get revealed + his Charachter is about to become better than 95% of the other Charachters

 

[lee33]

And yet youll have to wait another 5+ years for that, get over it

Then you shouldn't be surprised when people complain about irrevelant plotlines.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Akainu can't plot against WG?
Sword already exists, we don't need to prove anything about it's existence

That doesn't answer my question. Even if Akainu was plotting against the World Government, who would be pulling the strings of Sword to get this information? It would have to be someone from the World Government. That opens up a whole new can of worms. First, why wouldn't they just use Cipher Pol? That's the purpose of those guys role in the story.

But now lets say Oda did create a whole new branch of the Marines, that is controlled by the World Government, that does exactly what Cipher Pol is supposed to do, for some odd reason.

Now we have Koby, who has wanted to be a Marine all is life, has now all of a sudden joined this secret World Government faction of the Marines.

So let's say it's not the World Government, but just a secret faction of the Marines. They still need to report to someone who can do something about Admirals, but that doesn't even matter anymore, because Akainu is now the Fleet Admiral.

So it all boils down to Sword being controlled by the World Government, and those who are members, are effectively WG spies, which again, in turn defeats the purpose because they have Cipher Pol, who are specifically trained and tasked by the WG, for this sort of thing.

And don't even get me started on why on earth they would promote someone to the highest rank, who've they long suspected of conspiring to commit treason.

 

[Salah WG]

That doesn't answer my question. Even if Akainu was plotting against the World Government, who would be pulling the strings of Sword to get this information? It would have to be someone from the World Government. That opens up a whole new can of worms. First, why wouldn't they just use Cipher Pol? That's the purpose of those guys role in the story.

But now lets say Oda did create a whole new branch of the Marines, that is controlled by the World Government, that does exactly what Cipher Pol is supposed to do, for some odd reason.

Now we have Koby, who has wanted to be a Marine all is life, has now all of a sudden joined this secret World Government faction of the Marines.

So let's say it's not the World Government, but just a secret faction of the Marines. They still need to report to someone who can do something about Admirals, but that doesn't even matter anymore, because Akainu is now the Fleet Admiral.

So it all boils down to Sword being controlled by the World Government, and those who are members, are effectively WG spies.

Why can't Sword realize there is corruption in Marines & try to Investigate it? And using your Logic, Drake investigating Beasts Pirates is also useless cuz who is he gonna report to who is ready to start a War against one of Yonko?

And please tell me, who do you think leads Sword & what is their Mission? And what was Drake doing in Wano?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Then you shouldn't be surprised when people complain about irrevelant plotlines.

One Piece isnt just about endgame mysteries. Not my problem that makes you pissy

 

[ankama]

Does anyone really cares about Kuma's backstory?

Well, yes, he's actually one of those characters whose story I'd like to see.

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But now... I don't give a shit about it.

But, same time, I agree with that too. The main story is no longer particularly interesting to me, not to mention the story of Kuma.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

The more bonney scenes, the better.

His fruit will definitely tie in with bonney and luffy´s fruit for the time travel spoiled by gohdroger, mf rlly spoiled the whole show just for fun hahahahahah.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The more bonney scenes, the better.

His fruit will definitely tie in with bonney and luffy´s fruit for the time travel spoiled by gohdroger, mf rlly spoiled the whole show just for fun hahahahahah.

That guy is absolutely a fraud lol. Good theories plagued by shit personality and constant lying about his motives lol

 

[CensoredbyWG]

That guy is absolutely a fraud lol. Good theories plagued by shit personality and constant lying about his motives lol

Tough accusations

 

[executefobs]

Its truly one of the worst parts of egghead. Kuma was great pre-skip. His plot has been dragged out too long and now the flashbacks are just some generic fodder flashbacks.

 

[Gorosei Informer]

It's neither about Kuma nor Bonney
His Backstory gonna include Rocks Pirates, Celestial Dragons, Dragon, Vegapunk, Akainu, Aokiji, Sword Members, Fujitora, Rocky Port Incident, God's Valley ... etc

It's gonna be Biggest Flashback so far, you'll see

:laughmoji:

Post automatically merged: Feb 11, 2023

Personally I don't even know how Kuma could compete with Kaidos flashback, the best in the series! Pure magnificence!

 

[Weeman]

I just want it to resonate with me emotionally, i don't need it to be a grand flashback that shows us a lot about the world like Oden's.
The best flashbacks are ultimately character focused, not lore dumps.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

It's been a very long time since I read this SBS but I guess it could come in to play soon with a certain members "head canons" leading us to believe Franky will soon eat Kumas fruit. That way the fruit does end up in the crew, the pattern is perfect, without Kuma joining.

SBS 59: Chapter 583, Page 186

D: Odacchi! I noticed an amazing thing!!! It is that if you show the Straw Hat Devil Fruit users in numbers, it will be the numbers from 1~10!!

Luffy→Gomu Gomu (5.6.5.6.), Chopper→Hito Hito (1.10.1.10), Robin→Hana Hana (8.7.8.7.), Brook→Yomi Yomi (4.3.4.3.)

(1.3.4.5.6.7.8.10), but there is no (2.9), so is the one who ate the Nikyu Nikyu (2.9.2.9.) no Mi, Bartholomew Kuma, gonna be a Straw Hat next? Please tell me!!! P.N. SHANKUS.LOVE

O: WHAAAAAT?! (shock) Gosh that surprised me! Why was I surprised?! NO COMMENTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! NEXT!!

 

[Rambles]

I am not going to tell you how dumb it is to categorize females as mentally inferior.

You know what I will do instead? I will dissect every piece of your atrocious theory - if I even could call it that way. And I will do it here where everyone can see.

It is relevant to unlock Sanjis potential,

Why is it relevant to the story? There is not even an indication Oda is highlighting Sanji as a character like he did in WCI. You are putting subjective wishing into your evaluation of the story.

people were saying Bonney will take Kumas memories but this Chad here said Sanji will take that pain.

Were in the story does Oda indicate that Sanji is taking the pain? Where? There is not even a one hint. This is only a whish of yours at the moment.

At the time people were laughing at me but now Bonneys will power wasn't enough proves my point.

What point does her hesitation proof? That she is too weak to go through with her plan to sink into the sphere? Dude, she is literally reaching with her arm towards the sphere again! She will enter it again, proving already that her will power is not hindering her in any way to reach her goal in wanting to understand her father’s past.

Sanji always gets emotional power ups and he is a knight that fights for ladies,

Is that your only connection why you think that Sanji will interfere with her now? This is a more than weak argument and has again subjectivity and wishful thinking as a main force behind it.

in the past knights fought womens battle since they lacked strenght so same thing will happen now too.

Where is she lacking strength? Why is she even needing strength here? Is there a battle happening somewhere around her? Is it because she is all sitting there and doing nothing? Again: She is already reaching towards the sphere again. No need to interfere and there is not even a hint indication someone will interfere.

Ofcouse i know lots of feminists will come after me but i will say truth which is men are stronger then women both mentally and pysically, also i know every rule has its exceptions.

Mentally weaker? Really? You don’t have to be a feminist to think that this is total nonesense. If you put the whole of us (men and women) into the mathematical Gaussian bell, you have a natural distribution ranging from low to high and peeking in the middle. You do that with both genders – so you have two graphs. If we now apply what you say – that women are mentally weaker than men with a few exceptions – into our mathematical graph, their bell would rise as the first of the two, then peak and lower again and would almost approximate the 0-line again, before the graph of the men was to even start to rise (reflecting the few execeptions you mentioned).

Or you could take the DeLorean and come back into the future from the middle ages, where you are obviously still mentally residing in. Don’t tell me you have not seen female doctors, lawyers and police officers around in your area? Those jobs require a certain amount of intellect and emotional strength. And this is just one example. What is with female soldiers? They are even required to sign a note stating that they are informed they could be potentially be raped on duty when they are send to a conflict zone! And have you any idea how a nurse deals with the pain of loosing a patient during duty?

(I hope you know what a Gaussian bell even is.)

Sanji will take Kumas pain and he will reach whole new lvl also awaken COC too since he will also inherrit Kumas will which is unknown for us now.

Why is it so important to you that he will take Kuman’s pain? Alone thinking that it will give Sanji a power up is totally nonesense.
Dude – again, there is no indication that he is going to get a power up. Not in the slightest! We do not even know if someone will find Bonney and by the chances - it can also be someone else from the search party.

The only powere up Oda has indicated is that of Kaku and Lucci. And even this is a stretch, seeing as we still don’t really know if Stussy is a vampire and can turn someone into one as well by biting them or if it is just a DF.

Your theory is too subjective and too shallow.