Character Discussion KUUUZZAAAN!!!!!! WE COMIN FOR THAT ICE CANDY ASS!!!! #TheHeroCometh

ARE YOU READYY?!! (in few hundred chapters)

  • OML SMOKER REALLY GONE WHOOP THAT AHHHH!!!!!!!

    Votes: 11 44.0%
  • SMOKER CHILL!!! SHOW MERCY!!!

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • IN SMOKER WE TRUST!!!

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • I CAN'T READ, SO SMOKER IS A BUM!!

    Votes: 7 28.0%

  • Total voters
    25

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Tryna figure out if Vergo is dodging them or tanking them. lmao

I swear the anime/movies got a fetish with making actual Marines look bad/mid.
It's on brand, Vergo was just eating everything in the manga without much of a reaction, even got Sanji to comment on his durability. Toei just expanded on that. We know Smoker went from trying to beat Vergo, to giving up at some point and just going for Law's heart. He realized mid fight that it wasn't heading in his favour as Vergo was eating everything, which is why he switched up. Toei actually did well for once.
 
Do you realize how much hot trash writing, one would require from going against struggling against Kuja fodder (not even the Kuja pirates, but the non-Kuja Pirate warriors) to beating Kuzan or Teach within few months???

Oda hasn't given that privilidge to Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid, Sanji, etc... he's not doing it to Koby.


Koby has been in multiple battles now... which relevant fighter has he fought, just name 1...
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Likely won't even be a 1on1, if it does happen. Probably a teamup fight with him and Grus.
Koby was not struggling with Kuja fodder. Theres been a two year time skip to build kobys strength and we already have hin helping teach take out Wang zhi and koby destroying pizarro arm.
 
It's on brand, Vergo was just eating everything in the manga without much of a reaction, even got Sanji to comment on his durability. Toei just expanded on that. We know Smoker went from trying to beat Vergo, to giving up at some point and just going for Law's heart. He realized mid fight that it wasn't heading in his favour as Vergo was eating everything, which is why he switched up. Toei actually did well for once.
I would agree if manga didn't display the complete opposite.

1st exchange: Smoker goes around Vergo for a Jitte attack -> vergo dodges -> Throws a kick -> Smoker blocks his kick -> Vergo tries to attack with the bamboo -> Smoker dodges and throws a punch -> Vergo laid out on the floor bleeding.


2nd exchange shown is Smoker again hitting this dude and bloodying him up.

Vergo is never gone be able to tank clean hits from Smoker like nothing happened let alone combo punches.


As for going from trying to beat Vergo and then switching to getting Law's heart, disagreed on that. If it was about just whooping Vergo's ass, Smoker would've done that long ago. The issue was retrieving Law's heart, which Vergo could just destroy within a second the moment he senses hes about to lose, similar to Ceasar who thought he was stabbing Smoker's heart. His objective from the get-go was to get the heart. Hence why Law states, the deal is done. And then later states about how Smoker being nice to him resulted in good karma for him, related to their hearts.

Never understood lowkey where folks got the switch of hearts things from, never implied by Smoker or Vergo or Law. Even Vergo simply mentions Smoker not fighting like himself by expanding the Smoke. The fight starts in chapter 684, and then in 685, we see that Smoker was already fighting by expanding the Smoke, unlike himself. Which continued on for 5 more chapters after that.

 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
I would agree if manga didn't display the complete opposite.

1st exchange: Smoker goes around Vergo for a Jitte attack -> vergo dodges -> Throws a kick -> Smoker blocks his kick -> Vergo tries to attack with the bamboo -> Smoker dodges and throws a punch -> Vergo laid out on the floor bleeding.


2nd exchange shown is Smoker again hitting this dude and bloodying him up.

Vergo is never gone be able to tank clean hits from Smoker like nothing happened let alone combo punches.


As for going from trying to beat Vergo and then switching to getting Law's heart, disagreed on that. If it was about just whooping Vergo's ass, Smoker would've gone that long ago. The issue was retrieving Law's heart, which Vergo could just destroy within a second the moment he senses hes about to lose, similar to Ceasar who thought he was stabbing Smoker's heart. His objective from the get-go was to get the heart. Hence why Law states, the deal is done. And then later states about how Smoker being nice to him resulted in good karma for him, related to their hearts.

Never understood lowkey where folks got the switch of hearts things from, never implied by Smoker or Vergo or Law. Even Vergo simply mentions Smoker not fighting like himself by expanding the Smoke. The fight starts in chapter 684, and then in 685, we see that Smoker was already fighting by expanding the Smoke, unlike himself. Which continued on for 5 more chapters after that.

Nah Smoker was fighting normally, which is why he was able to land all those attacks. But clearly he figured he was not going to put Vergo down, and he knew that, which is why he switched to stealing the heart so Law could finish Vergo for him. The anime team just expanded on/exaggerated what we already knew.

Smoker was never portrayed for a second to be capable of beating Vergo. It was similar to Sanji's situation where they were outlanding Vergo to no avail.
 
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