Speculations Kuzan is Teach’s RHM, not Shiryu

[Rivaille]

No dude, you are missing the entire point because you’re clinging to your headcanons.

If BM was 2v1ed by Kid, but Shanks negged him, then that means Shanks is significantly above BM(something Kaido even validates).

Saying anything else is just denying the canon manga. It’s the same shit with Shiryu > Kuzan arguments.

The projection is crazy…

So when BM was introduced as one of the four emperor, when she was introduce as an iron baloon that no one can hurt, when she was introduce having the potential to be Fleet admiral, when she fought Kaido for 3 days, when she was showed to have a Haki strong enough to not be move by Law’s power, when she was shown to have Adv CoC, you genuinely thought that Shanks was significantly above her? And you held that as a canon fact?

Funnily enough you have no issue denying Oda’s own words about Shiliew.

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Oda never said Shiryu>Kuzan. He said Shiryu the #2 in the crew. He said these are the guys he picked. He never said these are the 2nd strongest. We don't know why he put Shiryu their over Kuzan.

I guess Zoro is not the second strongest of his crew

 

[JoNdule]

So Oda saying that Shiliew is the second strongest is not an evident intent?

No, what I’m saying is that Kidd’s durability and endurance feats should not have allow Shanks to one shot him. Because Kidd has shown to be able to whistand several hits from Big Mom. But as I said Oda does not care about previous feats.
Which is why Shanks seems to be far stronger than Big mom even tho they are supposed to be on the same level.

So we going back to feat? Even after reminding you of Oda’s track record? So it is an unwillingness to learn from past mistakes.
Okay I get it.

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Funnily enough I never believed in ZKK and you are one to the prime example of what I’m taking about.

Imagine:
-Having ague for months that Zoro is not strong enough to do anything to Kaido or to fight a YC1
-Having argue that Zoro will fight Who’s who o Denjiro or any YC3 level character in an extrem-diff fight.
-Having gloated because Zoro « struggle » against the gifters
-Having mocked Zoro fandom because Zoro « needed » help to « beat » Apoo
-Having mocked Zoro AP because Apoo was not OS
-Having used all that as a definitive proof that Zoro cas to weak to even see Kaido’s face
-Having been totally wrong about it all because Oda does the fuck he wants

And imagine now(after this fiasco) still clinging to past feats. Imagine…

You gonna cope
You believed most nonsensical stuff thinking OP is about Zoro

Shiryu was never above Kuzan
If he was, he'd be the one facing serious Garp 1v1 and matching him
Not be treated like fodder

 

[ranady]

Kuzan is basically an ally of BBP

 

[Rivaille]

You gonna cope
You believed most nonsensical stuff thinking OP is about Zoro

Shiryu was never above Kuzan
If he was, he'd be the one facing serious Garp 1v1 and matching him
Not be treated like fodder

I never believed that but you can keep lying to hope we forget your track record of intellectual dishonesty.

If it help you to sleep at night be my guest.

 

[mly90]

I know that Zoro fans are not sharpest tool in shed but

pushing Zoro Vs Kuzan is 10 times better than pushing that piece of shit shiryu to Oden level for Zoro's hype

Hyping up someone that will have absolutely nothing to do with Zoro is the smartest thing to do sure. Thanks for your teaching if fans pushing for what they desired had any effects wano would have looked a lot differently

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The projection is crazy…

So when BM was introduced as one of the four emperor, when she was introduce as an iron baloon that no one can hurt, when she was introduce having the potential to be Fleet admiral, when she fought Kaido for 3 days, when she was showed to have a Haki strong enough to not be move by Law’s power, when she was shown to have Adv CoC, you genuinely thought that Shanks was significantly above her? And you held that as a canon fact?

This manga isn’t that deep. It’s supposed to be taken at face value. Shanks one shot Kid, BM couldn’t. Use your brain cells.

Oda’s portrayal of Shanks is very consistent

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[Rivaille]

This manga isn’t that deep. It’s supposed to be taken at face value. Shanks one shot Kid, BM couldn’t. Use your brain cells.

Oda’s portrayal of Shanks is very consistent

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The manga is supposed to be taken at face value but you cannot take Oda’s own words about Shiliew at face value? Funny.

Furthermore, I asked a simple question: before Shanks one shot Kidd did you Shanks far above BM? Yes or no?

 

[Dragon777]

Oda never said Shiryu>Kuzan. He said Shiryu the #2 in the crew. He said these are the guys he picked. He never said these are the 2nd strongest. We don't know why he put Shiryu their over Kuzan.

Also that cover wasn't even before Kizan's reveal?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The manga is supposed to be taken at face value but you cannot take Oda’s own words about Shiliew at face value? Funny.

Oda never said Shiryu>Kuzan so stop acting like it.

Furthermore, I asked a simple question: before Shanks one shot Kidd did you Shanks far above BM? Yes or no?

I don’t know what you think you are doing. Newer events take precedence over older ones, they reveal more of Oda’s intent and make his message clearer.

No, I didn’t think Shanks was that much above BM until he completely shat on her in terms of feats. But that doesn’t change the canon fact that Oda drew Shanks much stronger than BM. Just as he drew Shiryu much weaker than Kuzan.

 

[Dragon777]

Oda never said Shiryu>Kuzan so stop acting like it.

In term of being his closest companion, we can discuss it, but in term of strength I don't know how someone with eyes can say Shiliew > Kuzan after the last chapter lol.

I mean, it was clear as day before, but now we have seen it.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

In term of being his closest companion, we can discuss it

Even in that regard, Oda drew this:

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This isn't the type of stuff Oda shows for every crew member. Its typically the RHM that gets highlighted in this way.

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[BillSlipton]

Whoever fights with Zoro during SHP vs BBP is the real n°2 and RHM, simple as that.

False. Zoro doesn't always fight the no2

Nor was he ever introduced as the rhm. Sanji was with killer and bepo. Fuck your agenda

 

[Dragon777]

Even in that regard, Oda drew this:

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This isn't the type of stuff Oda shows for every crew member. Its typically the RHM that gets highlighted in this way.

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Yeah, there is room to sustain that.
IMHO, all of this is because Kuzan has his own agenda and he will do things after, but maybe not.

And I like Shiliew, but Kuzan is another thing.

 

[Rivaille]

Oda never said Shiryu>Kuzan so stop acting like it.




I don’t know what you think you are doing. Newer events take precedence over older ones, they reveal more of Oda’s intent and make his message clearer.

No, I didn’t think Shanks was that much above BM until he completely shat on her in terms of feats. But that doesn’t change the canon fact that Oda drew Shanks much stronger than BM. Just as he drew Shiryu much weaker than Kuzan.

Shiliew is the second strongest of the crew.
Kuzan is part of the crew. Conclusion?

I’m trying to show you that the characters are as strong as Oda wants no matter previous featsa d no matter of create inconsistencies with previous showing.
But I understand that it is a waste of time. So let’s wait for the strawhat to meet the BBP and people crying fanservice/plotholes when Oda will do what he always do

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The projection is crazy…

So when BM was introduced as one of the four emperor, when she was introduce as an iron baloon that no one can hurt, when she was introduce having the potential to be Fleet admiral, when she fought Kaido for 3 days, when she was showed to have a Haki strong enough to not be move by Law’s power, when she was shown to have Adv CoC, you genuinely thought that Shanks was significantly above her? And you held that as a canon fact?

Funnily enough you have no issue denying Oda’s own words about Shiliew.

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I guess Zoro is not the second strongest of his crew

Zoro is the 2nd strongest. Whats your point?

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The manga is supposed to be taken at face value but you cannot take Oda’s own words about Shiliew at face value? Funny.

Furthermore, I asked a simple question: before Shanks one shot Kidd did you Shanks far above BM? Yes or no?

Oda has never said he stronger than Kuzan so what you mean face value

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

For folks saying it isnt second strongest
This should help

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Shiliew is the second strongest of the crew.
Kuzan is part of the crew. Conclusion?

I’m trying to show you that the characters are as strong as Oda wants no matter previous featsa d no matter of create inconsistencies with previous showing.
But I understand that it is a waste of time. So let’s wait for the strawhat to meet the BBP and people crying fanservice/plotholes when Oda will do what he always do

Kuzan not going to fight a SH bro lmao

 

[Akagame]

I look at Kuzan as the RHM as well whether he joined late or not. He may not fight the SH’s but I am guessing he’s above Shiryu in power.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

For folks saying it isnt second strongest
This should help

Bepo where did he say it for the other people

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Bepo where did he say it for the other people

Bepo and zoro
He then goes on to say not all the characters in there are rhms . What they are is n2’s so until shiryu has been confirmed as the rhm or vc , he is not. Simple as that.
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