Character Discussion Law and Kid are special in their tier list!

[ShishioIsBack]

Aren't Kidd's durability and endurance top tier?
Isn't his non-mastered Awakening top tier?

I don't think either his endurance or durability is top tier.

Top tier endurance is what zoro did on roof top being able to walk off 30 broken bones and still scar kaido.
Endurance is one's ability to tolerate pain and I am not sure when has Kidd been in enough pain to walk off thirty broken bones.

Top tier durability well I didn't see him tank any advanced CoC attack from big mom to call it a top tier stat. Even Ikokou didn't touch him.

His awakening feels like a high tier not a top tier awakening tho but awakening in itself is not a stat, its what you can do with it.

 

[rerere]

I don't think either his endurance or durability is top tier.

Top tier endurance is what zoro did on roof top being able to walk off 30 broken bones and still scar kaido.
Endurance is one's ability to tolerate pain and I am not sure when has Kidd been in enough pain to walk off thirty broken bones.

Top tier durability well I didn't see him tank any advanced CoC attack from big mom to call it a top tier stat. Even Ikokou didn't touch him.

His awakening feels like a high tier not a top tier awakening tho but awakening in itself is not a stat, its what you can do with it.

Kidd ate most attacks from a Top Tier than everybody else in this war (excluding Luffy, who lost 4 times) so I dunno what you talking about when you say Kidd didn't show he can handle pain.

On top of my mind, he endured a stronger stab than the one who made Zoro faint in Ringo.

Ikkoku is much more dangerous than some adv. CoC punches and Kidd took it. Even here you got some nerve to say it didn't touch him.

He does a damn lot with Awakening considering he can make a Top Tier feel the pain unfelt since centuries, he can also break top tier bones with it and overpower defensive adv. CoC.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Kidd ate most attacks from a Top Tier than everybody else in this war (excluding Luffy, who lost 4 times) so I dunno what you talking about when you say Kidd didn't show he can handle pain.

On top of my mind, he endured a stronger stab than the one who made Zoro faint in Ringo.

Depends on how hard top tier is hitting random punches and one sword attack from big mom doesn't cut it.

Hakai alone packs far more punch than combined attacks Kidd tanked.

AdvCoC thunder bagua does as well I would say.

Issue was Kidd didn't tank any respectable attack besides arguably mother misery on panel but Law took it as well.

You can't go off of edge case feats because by that logic Luffys endurance would cap at apoo blast.

We need to look at best feats since endurance is literally ability to tolerate pain with will power. Zoro walking off 40 broken bones was so crazy Law was sweating looking at zoro saying "You are insane roronoa", Kidd as far as we never never even walked off few broken bones.

Ikkoku is much more dangerous than some adv. CoC punches and Kidd took it. Even here you got some nerve to say it didn't touch him

Ikokou is first of all not comparable to advCoC thunder bagua and secondly it never touched Kidd it only touched his armor otherwise where is any damage from Ikokou on Kidd?

He does a damn lot with Awakening considering he can make a Top Tier feel the pain unfelt since centuries, he can also break top tier bones with it and overpower defensive adv. CoC.

Well that doesn't mean much when said top tier hasn't taken any real damage in a while.

Scabbards did no real damage to kaido but it was still most damage he took in years and it gave him PTSD.

 

[Pantheos]

Depends on how hard top tier is hitting random punches and one sword attack from big mom doesn't cut it.

Hakai alone packs far more punch than combined attacks Kidd tanked.

AdvCoC thunder bagua does as well I would say.

Issue was Kidd didn't tank any respectable attack besides arguably mother misery on panel but Law took it as well.

You can't go off of edge case feats because by that logic Luffys endurance would cap at apoo blast.

We need to look at best feats since endurance is literally ability to tolerate pain with will power. Zoro walking off 40 broken bones was so crazy Law was sweating looking at zoro saying "You are insane roronoa", Kidd as far as we never never even walked off few broken bones.



Ikokou is first of all not comparable to advCoC thunder bagua and secondly it never touched Kidd it only touched his armor otherwise where is any damage from Ikokou on Kidd?



Well that doesn't mean much when said top tier hasn't taken any real damage in a while.

Scabbards did no real damage to kaido but it was still most damage he took in years and it gave him PTSD.

Kid took the whole Yonko fight with an huge whole in his belly (from Hawkins) and a broken skull (from Hawkins too), what are you talking about missing endurance?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Kid took the whole Yonko fight with an huge whole in his belly (from Hawkins) and a broken skull (from Hawkins too), what are you talking about missing endurance?

Idk about huge hole, it was just damage deflected from one stab

It isn't comparable to walking with 40 broken bones.

Instead of making our own conclusions it's better to go with how it was shown in manga. When zoro was walking with 40 broken bones so much impact was build around it you had Law who was fighting alongside Kidd sweating with his mouth wide open saying its insane you can even walk right now with 40 broken bones. That's what I would call top tier endurance.

Oda didn't make big deal about kidds endurance.

An argument could be made that kids ability to tank stabs is better than zoros but even then it wasn't zoros peak endurance when his fight with killer happened but just an edge case like luffy vs apoo.

 

[Finalbeta]

I'm betting on Kidd to make it somewhere in between King level and a yonko the caliber of Shanks for EoS

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

For me they are like G4 Luffy until now, they are stronger than their "normal" lvl for a limited amount of time (while they have enough energy for using Awakening), Admiral lvl.

And it's obvious that they will be Yonko lvl at their Prime seeing as Oda wants to still keep them relevant to the point where he gave them those ridiculous bounties and considering that they still don't have Adv Hakis, meaning they still have room to grow.

 

[Hereforthesalt]

Well kid is generally between YC2 and YC1 since Law has one top tier stat which is his ability to dish damage where as Kidd only has his ability to push things with his strongest attack but that's hardly a combat stat

I don't think either his endurance or durability is top tier.

Top tier endurance is what zoro did on roof top being able to walk off 30 broken bones and still scar kaido.
Endurance is one's ability to tolerate pain and I am not sure when has Kidd been in enough pain to walk off thirty broken bones.

Top tier durability well I didn't see him tank any advanced CoC attack from big mom to call it a top tier stat. Even Ikokou didn't touch him.

His awakening feels like a high tier not a top tier awakening tho but awakening in itself is not a stat, its what you can do with it.

Law;s endurance is being underrated here. He with stood dozens of COA blows from Big Mom at point blank range and didn't even pass out. That was after getting hit by TB and fighting on the roof top. Endurance is one of his better stats since Dressrosa.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Law;s endurance is being underrated here. He with stood dozens of COA blows from Big Mom at point blank range and didn't even pass out. That was after getting hit by TB and fighting on the roof top. Endurance is one of his better stats since Dressrosa.

Can you show me panels for that?

 

[rerere]

Can you show me panels for that?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Oh a few CoA punches, that is still better than anything Kidd took on panel besides that weak sword attack.

The most impressive thing that is taken by either Law or Kidd is Law taking advCoC thunder bagua tho which Zoro tanked with 30 broken bones.

I think so far its looking like
Endurance : Zoro >>> Law > Kidd
Durability : Zoro >>> Law > Kidd

 

[rerere]

Oh a few CoA punches, that is still better than anything Kidd took on panel besides that weak sword attack.

The most impressive thing that is taken by either Law or Kidd is Law taking advCoC thunder bagua tho which Zoro tanked with 30 broken bones.

I think so far its looking like
Endurance : Zoro >>> Law > Kidd
Durability : Zoro >>> Law > Kidd

A few lol
I count 13, that's far far far heavier than a Thunder Bagua
Why you constantly bring Zoro up? Poor boy is not on their level, let him rest

 

[ShishioIsBack]

A few lol
I count 13, that's far far far heavier than a Thunder Bagua
Why you constantly bring Zoro up? Poor boy is not on their level, let him rest

That is just gross misrepresentation of manga, several CoA Punches from Big Mom of all people doesn't even compare to a fucking CoC Thunder Bagua, a signature club move from Kaido that knocked Luffy out. Just look at the difference between Luffy's named Ryou attacks vs nameless CoC hits, CoA punches don't do anything.

I am only bringing Zoro up to put in the perspective.
Your intense feelings aside, I am only telling you the closest thing to factual power scaling.

The only three characters who have top tier endurance in Wano are Kaido, Zoro and Luffy with Zoro having the highest. Remember endurance is not durability.

Kidd nor Law have top tier endurance or durability but Law has overall better feats. Now if either of them came close to something like Hakai rather than you could argue them having top tier endurance but it was heavily implied both Law and Kidd would have died the moment they touched Hakai.

 

[Ven437]

Why are you guys arguing with Shishio? Even if Oda outright came in and said Law and Kidd are top tiers he would just go through several mental gymnastics to justify why they are not and how that statement applies to Zoro instead. I mean that is basically what he is doing given Kidd and Law have bounties higher than the rest of the OPverse barring Yonkos.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Why are you guys arguing with Shishio? Even if Oda outright came in and said Law and Kidd are top tiers he would just go through several mental gymnastics to justify why they are not and how that statement applies to Zoro instead. I mean that is basically what he is doing given Kidd and Law have bounties higher than the rest of the OPverse barring Yonkos.

So now bounty makes a top tier?
Is Buggy a top tier?

I don't really need Oda to tell me Law and Kidd are top tiers how about give them just one top tier feat?

Pushing CoC nerfed Awakening nerfed weakest top tier in the series is not a top tier feat.

 

[Ven437]

So now bounty makes a top tier?
Is Buggy a top tier?

I don't really need Oda to tell me Law and Kidd are top tiers how about give them just one top tier feat?

Pushing CoC nerfed Awakening nerfed weakest top tier in the series is not a top tier feat.

No you do Oda to tell you that because even after Wano arc you think they are below Zoro. BM is a high top tier whether you like it or not. But given your mental gymnastics you’ll probably find some excuse to put them in that hype tool scrub fodder King’s tier.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

No you do Oda to tell you that because even after Wano arc you think they are below Zoro. BM is a high top tier whether you like it or not. But given your mental gymnastics you’ll probably find some excuse to put them in that hype tool scrub fodder King’s tier.

Big Mom is not a high top tier because her feats don't show that.

Law and Kidd were placed firmly below Roof Top Zoro who is firmly below current zoro and Law and Kidd managed to push her.

Her use of CoC is very inconsistent she hasn't shown ability to coat her blades and Kid can tank her sword strikes and feel less pain than indirect from killer strikes and lost an arm to some red hair subordinate.

I can not imagine Big Mom defeating zoro when someone significantly stronger and more durable than her ended up with a life long scar with 30 broken bones from a much weaker version of Zoro.

You can keep calling King a fodder hype tool doesn't change the fact that before King Zoro tanked named attacks from both kaido and big mom and scarred kaido and made big mom get scared out of her mind from Haki flex.

Even zoro I place at low top so big mom should be below low top tier.

 

[Ven437]

Big Mom is not a high top tier because her feats don't show that.

Law and Kidd were placed firmly below Roof Top Zoro who is firmly below current zoro and Law and Kidd managed to push her.

Her use of CoC is very inconsistent she hasn't shown ability to coat her blades and Kid can tank her sword strikes and feel less pain than indirect from killer strikes and lost an arm to some red hair subordinate.

I can not imagine Big Mom defeating zoro when someone significantly stronger and more durable than her ended up with a life long scar with 30 broken bones from a much weaker version of Zoro.

You can keep calling King a fodder hype tool doesn't change the fact that before King Zoro tanked named attacks from both kaido and big mom and scarred kaido and made big mom get scared out of her mind from Haki flex.

Even zoro I place at low top so big mom should be below low top tier.

Let 3-sword style Zoro beat holding back Sanji first then you can start to talk at even putting him in YC1+ tier at least.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Let 3-sword style Zoro beat holding back Sanji first then you can start to talk at even putting him in YC1+ tier at least.

Why are you using gag fights.
And if you think sanji is equal to zoro then he low diffs Law as well since sanji can do much more than just scarring kaido like zoro can now and can do much more than momentarily blocking and then tanking attack that would kill Law and Kidd like zoro did