General & Others Law and Kid vs Big Mom was very disappointing

#41
I think the more important question to be asked is what was the point of Big Mom even being in Wano? What was the whole point of the conversation between Marco, Big Mom and Perospero? What was the point of the alliance? What was the point between the conversation between Big Mom and Kaido when Big Mom asked him where his red poneglyphs are?
Wasn't big mom solely there to kill Luffy?
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Kid awakening was slow and dissapointed and meme forgot how to use Acoc the only one who save the fight for me is law
If it was slow it wouldn't do as much damage to big mom the way it did. Big mom's acoc wouldn't do much just like kaido's didn't do much so I don't see it changing the course in the fight.
 
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#42
If I was Oda I would have given settled Luffy’s powerups to only AdCoA and devil fruit mastery pre-awakening(basically I will make it so that Luffy will be able to stretch/inflate/deflate his body almost instantly on will without the need of applying any kind of force/blowing air where the length/volume of stretching/expansion is dependent on the strength applied/air blown into the muscles and bones and he can keep the specific part inflated without the need of constant haki infusion basically eliminating G4th time limit as well as eliminating G3’s limitations of being slow and the size being limited by Luffy’s exhaled air blown into the bones also I will make Luffy able to vulcanize his rubber body for extra defensive purposes as if he’s using a Tekkai like move against slashing techniques) and only hint at Luffy’s awakening at the end of the fight where Luffy achieves only the paramecia aspect of the awakening of making his surroundings into rubber(not people) and being able to make himself into liquid natural form of rubber so that he can use the awakening similar to Katakuri and only hint into AdCoC by revealing that Kaido has and is using it but not straight up give it to Luffy this arc and make it into a 5 vs 1 fight of Luffy, Law, Zoro, Killer and Kidd fight Kaido and all of them can use Ryou
 

Nikuzi

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#44
What stakes? What would happen if Big mom won? Robin and Jimbei would just roll up and flip her off the island again.
If Big Mom won the idea was that she'd just fuck off right back to the roof again and then that would pretty much be it, because Luffy wouldn't be beating Kaido and Big Mom at the same time
 
#47
Problem with this fight was that it was way too contrived imo particularly for what the narrative was pushing.

Oda wanted to set-up Kidd & Law as people that will take the Yonko seats which is cuul & all but the problem is that the narrative completely carried that fight.

We had Big Mom not fighting to her full capabilities & fighting like a retard most of the time, Law landing lethal attacks on Liliin when she was distracted, Kidd’s blunt attacks like Punk Cordiano hurting Linlin without any proper justification, Law & Kidd getting multiple Zenkai boosts through that fight for no goddamn reason after they’ve explicitly stated they were running on empty. Not to mention, Linlin lost by a ring-out with external explosives dealing her the final blow to boot. I mean just look at how much effort Oda is putting in to justify Luffy beating/surpassing Kaido & also how much emphasis Oda is putting on the winner of this fight winning based on raw ability & not cheap tricks. Law & Kidd’s fight also have this false image of both surpassing Linlin on the outside but very little effort has been made to justify that.

From an ability standpoint Law & Kidd’s abilities were pretty cuul (i.e. their awakenings in particular ^^). However, Lilin’s abilities were trash save that one ability to heal with souls which ironically just ended up making her more of a glorified punching bag. Linlin’s DC/AP throughout the course of this fight was also pretty pathetic for a character of her ilk.
 
#50
Robin and Jimbei would just roll up and flip her off the island again.
This is so ridiculous it might even work. :suresure:

However real talk we both know those two wouldn't be able to do that to an on-guard serious Big Mom.:gonope:
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Yes, but she didn't do that thus the question, what was the point of having her in Wano.
You know why. If not think back to last year or whenever she entered the arc. Did you really believe she was meant to kill Luffy? :risicheck:
 
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#51
Yes, but she didn't do that thus the question, what was the point of having her in Wano.
I get what you are saying even though she went out of her way to kill Luffy but other circumstances change that and those who got in her way so she likely switched from being beaten by kid and law so her focus might change from Luffy to them.
 
#52
And BM would come back again
Ans get rolled again.
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on-guard serious Big Mom.
@DiscoZoro20 On guard serious big mom had law sitted on her chest preparing an attack fornlike 5 panels amd she forgot she advCoC to knock him out in one hit

Also on guard serious big mom’s fused homie was one shot by exhausted no DF law.

nothing about big mom being serious implies she’s any more effective
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If Big Mom won the idea was that she'd just fuck off right back to the roof again and then that would pretty much be it, because Luffy wouldn't be beating Kaido and Big Mom at the same time
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Kaido was enjoying the fight by then and he would tell big mom to fuck off from his fight… Or Luffy woukd awalen G5 sooner and one shot her

no stakes
 
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#53
He could have done both, haki and DF. No matter how the retarded Oda try to be creative with his power system and make varieties it won’t work anymore since it was already established that Haki is the supreme power system in the verse. Now due to his idiocy it made it seem like Zoro who is a YC1 and Yamato are waaaay more powerful than the 3 combatants involved but someone as dumb as Oda doesn’t care about the power system as long as he is satisfied narratively
Pre Timeskip Luffy Stomped two advanced Haki users yet you call Oda stupid for not making Haki the end all of his power system
 

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#54
I think it makes the most sense to suggest that Big Mom herself was just too disappointing and since the times of WCI at it

At least her hype and portrayal in FI were saved :josad:
 
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