Character Discussion Law got ruined

[Monkey D Theories]

So basically, what I got from this thread is Law's haters are Kidd's fans because Oda likes Law more.
The complete and utter humiliation Kidd suffered (and that everyone predicted except Kidd's fans) from his encounter with a Yonko that is not a clown, broke some people down and the coping is still as strong as when it happened and is now mixed with an ounce of bitterness

I think the hate from Kidd fans is justified. Law ruined Kidd’s character.

Since wano, every development Kid has had has been paralleled by Law, with Oda making Law look cooler in every instance. The BM fight, the subsequent yonko fights post wano.

It makes it to where Kid has no unique storylines and is effectively just a worse version of Law, who got development in dressrosa and PH.

 

[Hanners220]

True and that is when character loses all appeal

Looking back, I realize the way that Oda overused Law really shows his issues with pacing.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The very fact that so many people hate Kid is proof of what I’m saying.

Oda never took the time to develop Kid, because that would involve putting Law on the sidelines and Oda refuses to do that because popularity.

It’s bad writing. Oda ruined a character I and a lot of the fanbase(including Kidd haters) once had hopes for. And you can’t say I’m just “coping” or “butthurt” for feeling that way.

 

[Toryu]

I stand still that Big Mom in Wano was one of the worse choices Oda did in this manga.

Let everyone gang up Kaido for the strongest hype.

Unless he proves me wrong and bring her back Oda couldn't muster the will to do another Arc with Big Mom as the main villain.

He wanted to take down both asap, for the true runners of the PK king start fighting.

Law should had fought a YC1+ Doflamingo in Wano.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I think the hate from Kidd fans is justified. Law ruined Kidd’s character.

Since wano, every development Kid has had has been paralleled by Law, with Oda making Law look cooler in every instance. The BM fight, the subsequent yonko fights post wano.

It makes it to where Kid has no unique storylines and is effectively just a worse version of Law, who got development in dressrosa and PH.

I don't think its law's fault. Oda simply dropped the ball with kidd and also BM. The fight should have happened outside of onigashima hence BM could have shown bigger AOE attacks and same for kidd.

 

[YonkoCommanderBepo]

Over glorified delivery boy being shoved down the reader's throat. Liked him in Punk Hazard, but his character post Dressrosa and his supposed 'rivalry' with Luffy has been awful

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I don't think its law's fault. Oda simply dropped the ball with kidd and also BM.

Law had no business being anywhere near BM if we are being real. At least Kidd was a wild card who had never shown his powers before that fight, but we saw Law in Dressrosa and how much of a fodder he was.

The whole fight was them beating the shit out of her without seeing her do anything onscreen. Oda turned one of the strongest characters in the series into a complete joke to please his fans. Characters like Law are written for the fanboys not for the story, he can never make him look anything but cool, or else he loses 90% of his personality. It is why when he was used as a Poneglyph delivery boy, Oda made sure he wasn't getting destroyed unlike Kidd.

 

[York]

I agree with the fans of Useless Captain Midd that Oda ruined his character by making Law way better and more awesome than him, and letting Law shine more every single time they were together

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I think the hate from Kidd fans is justified. Law ruined Kidd’s character.

Since wano, every development Kid has had has been paralleled by Law, with Oda making Law look cooler in every instance. The BM fight, the subsequent yonko fights post wano.

It makes it to where Kid has no unique storylines and is effectively just a worse version of Law, who got development in dressrosa and PH.

That doesn't justify the hate, it just shows misunderstanding of Kidd's character and expectations that weren't met.
Pre TS Law was already a more fascinating character and he remained as such post TS

 

[Roo]

Cry

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Over glorified delivery boy being shoved down the reader's throat. Liked him in Punk Hazard, but his character post Dressrosa and his supposed 'rivalry' with Luffy has been awful

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Law had no business being anywhere near BM if we are being real. At least Kidd was a wild card who had never shown his powers before that fight, but we saw Law in Dressrosa and how much of a fodder he was.

The whole fight was them beating the shit out of her without seeing her do anything onscreen. Oda turned one of the strongest characters in the series into a complete joke to please his fans. Characters like Law are written for the fanboys not for the story, he can never make him look anything but cool, or else he loses 90% of his personality. It is why when he was used as a Poneglyph delivery boy, Oda made sure he wasn't getting destroyed unlike Kidd.

Thing is Law did get destroyed. It’s just Oda off screened Law’s L and showed the part where he looked good against Teach.

All of which made him look better than he really was.

 

[kumae]

The problem with law is clownda focused on him too much he is the beginning of side characters focusing never understood why he had so special guess the fruit but seriously he took away everything from mugiwaras fuck he took Zoro's role that's why he doesn't have the narrative he had pre TS fortunately he is not with mugis anymore though clownda can't kill him off and kidnap him because ope ope and popular bad for sales

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

After DR Law became faded and boring.
He had to die in Wano IMO.

One Piece characters go downhill once their flashback is shown

 

[IsaziSempi]

Faulting one piece characters for being to strong is dumb. Luffy basically breezed past east blue never showing his full strenght and beat a shichibukai and God without ever getting a powerup. I mean if we're consistent anybody of interest in one piece basically has diamond 1000s of times hard that diamond. Luffy out ran a blast in mid air which is... impossible.

 

[Herrera95]

Law was an asspull fighter since day 1, his ability was always too broken. What even is a "room" lol, he can do whatever he wants defying all logic. The issue is when Oda nerfs him and then conveniently lets his abilities work.

Character wise I agree, whenever he's paired with Luffy and Kidd it's kinda cringe. But by himself he's goated.

Stop the cap. His DF is only OP against non-haki users or those who has worse haki than him. Idk actually. I still don't get it Smoker and Vergo fight with Law.

 

[straightforward]

bepo's lover has grown on me

i used to dislike 'edgy' law but he's much better now.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

That doesn't justify the hate, it just shows misunderstanding of Kidd's character and expectations that weren't met.
Pre TS Law was already a more fascinating character and he remained as such post TS

“Kid was never supposed to be relevant” is such a gaslight.

if you asked people in sabaody, most of them probably would have thought Kid would be a future opponent for Luffy.

 

[park_min young]

Law was always destined to be relegated to his current fate from the second Oda made him his own captain instead of a Strawhat.

I mean, the fuck do people think One Piece is gonna do with him? He was never gonna be a Yonko, or a viable rival for the PK title. In all honesty, his fans should be happy he got away from Blackbeard with Bepo as easily as he did. From what we can tell, he didn't even get maimed or permanently nerfed!

Beign a Luffy cheerleader and supporting him sure as shit beats feeding the fish of Elbaf like Kid and his crew are currently doing.

Seriously, I am not trying to be mean, but what did people EXPECT would happen? Law would some fucking how beat Blackbeard?

What is blud waffling about? You can’t get further away from the topic like this guy. Also Law is more concerned with the will of D than the PK race, that was established ever since DR. Positions of strength such as a yonko title is only secondary for his character, and he‘s still the leader of the new gen alongside Kid and Goofy. He has also already beaten a yonko himself, and already has the 9th highest bounty in history. In addition, yonko titles and rivalry will all be moot point anyways since Luffy will be the only PK. Long story short, Law will still be a legendary figure come EoS on par with past yonkos or greater if he plays a vital role in the final war (which he will).

“Kid was never supposed to be relevant” is such a gaslight.

if you asked people in sabaody, most of them probably would have thought Kid would be a future opponent for Luffy.

Kid was reintroduced too late, and he’s a full-time supposed rival instead of having another goal like Law. His character was doomed from the start since the last push for PK race was set in stone. Luffy, Teach and Shanks were the endgame players, I guess you could say Kid could have filled in Buggy’s role? Oda could have gone that route and made Kid yonko-level right now but it doesn’t make sense. He needs an absurd amount of time to invest in Kid and his crew for that to happen.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What is blud waffling about? You can’t get further away from the topic like this guy. Also Law is more concerned with the will of D than the PK race, that was established ever since DR. Positions of strength such as a yonko title is only secondary for his character, and he‘s still the leader of the new gen alongside Kid and Goofy. He has also already beaten a yonko himself, and already has the 9th highest bounty in history. In addition, yonko titles and rivalry will all be moot point anyways since Luffy will be the only PK. Long story short, Law will still be a legendary figure come EoS on par with past yonkos or greater if he plays a vital role in the final war (which he will).

Kid was reintroduced too late, and he’s a full-time supposed rival instead of having another goal like Law. His character was doomed from the start since the last push for PK race was set in stone. Luffy, Teach and Shanks were the endgame players, I guess you could say Kid could have filled in Buggy’s role? Oda could have gone that route and made Kid yonko-level right now but it doesn’t make sense. He needs an absurd amount of time to invest in Kid and his crew for that to happen.

Thing is, Kid never needed to be a yonko.

He just needed a solid spotlight. He never got that.

Rooftop = overshadowed by Luffy and Zoro

BM fight = shared screen time with Law. Law’s attacks are stronger so a large percentage of the fandom discredits his contributions.

Post wano fight = gets one shot while Oda let Law look decent against Teach

The ultimate result is that the fandom views kid as a gag character and slanders him endlessly.

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Anyways my issue isn’t that Oda makes Law look good. It’s that he does it to the complete detriment of Kid’s character.

As you said, Law has other things that make him interesting.

All Kid ever had was his rivalry with Luffy. Oda should portray Kid as powerful. Yet he’s done anything but that.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

“Kid was never supposed to be relevant” is such a gaslight.

if you asked people in sabaody, most of them probably would have thought Kid would be a future opponent for Luffy.

I doubt that. You can't read Sabaody and make conclusion based on that one arc. The end of TS is the key to understand what will happen post TS. All the SN went to the NW while Luffy and his crew chose to stay and train. At that moment, it was clear he was the wisest one and would be above them all after these 2 years and that they would have no chance at catching up to him and his crew because they would grow faster than them as well.
And indeed post TS confirmed that when we saw how most of the SN were far from Luffy and their crew composed of bunch of fodders (when they have one).

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

“Kid was never supposed to be relevant” is such a gaslight.

if you asked people in sabaody, most of them probably would have thought Kid would be a future opponent for Luffy.

Because Oda baited the fandom. He never wanted to make Kidd relevant so he had to kill him off after the Yonko saga ended.
Everything between end of pre ts and now is essentially filler.