Left Wing vs Right Wing

#61
I am talking about an ideal world. Not the corrupt people that are motivated by greed and money only. In this premise, You're problem with affordable health care is that humans cant be trusted to do the right thing. That is a very pessimistic view. And it means that you believe that we should have affordable health care but doesn't want it cause government bad.


But there is a limit though. Like, the quality of health care services can only go so high, But the cost/price can and is almost always insanely inflated. And you CAN ensure better quality for affordable price under a just and accountable government. So it boils down to not electing people motivated by greed. ie, the quality doesn't have to rely on high prices, But we have made it so/gotten used to it being.

This is a big issue. When right vs left and capitalism vs communism is discussed, people always go to US and China, the two extremes of both sides as an example.

But we have seen that they dont work long term or at all. So my suggestion would be the mixed economy. But even that has problems.
I'm not american,we do have public health care and schooling where i live.its just bad quality because of a number of reasons.But it is unthinkable to just get rid of both these programs.It just won't and can't happen because we have many people that need these free services.i think you misquoted me.
 
#63
I am talking about an ideal world. Not the corrupt people that are motivated by greed and money only. In this premise, You're problem with affordable health care is that humans cant be trusted to do the right thing. That is a very pessimistic view. And it means that you believe that we should have affordable health care but doesn't want it cause government bad.


But there is a limit though. Like, the quality of health care services can only go so high, But the cost/price can and is almost always insanely inflated. And you CAN ensure better quality for affordable price under a just and accountable government. So it boils down to not electing people motivated by greed. ie, the quality doesn't have to rely on high prices, But we have made it so/gotten used to it being.

This is a big issue. When right vs left and capitalism vs communism is discussed, people always go to US and China, the two extremes of both sides as an example.

But we have seen that they dont work long term or at all. So my suggestion would be the mixed economy. But even that has problems.
Simple solution.Make government intervene in the pricing of services.But for that they would need to consult honest and competent people from health care industry.Also,governments tend to be corrupt.So yeah it all ends up in the private sector's hands to do the right thing.
 
#64
I wasn't around op forums back in Sabaody days,i started watching the anime first.I always thought of celestial dragons as successful globalists.
I suppose they are, they’re the World Government and all.
I read your posts, regarding the left wing, and I see several aspects that are spouted by the same American right wing, Israeli right wing, European right wing etc.
I have no horse in the race, at least for now, but I find it jarring, how they’re similar, the motivations, the arguments, the defenses, the insults at the opposition and the left wingers issues with right wingers and viceversa, like one Country after the other is doing a copypasta for both sides of the spectrum, when in the past, thinkers from all around the globe had different worldviews, now, everyone, either says “true communism has never been tried”, or “capitalism is good for you” “a bit of socialism will do you wonders” “we must defend our traditions” “we must fight transphobia” “seculiar humanism is the only way” abortion and so on, literally we’re discussing ideologies of ghosts because there is no innovation in leadership, and if there is, it comes from America, and it must be copied asap. Hell, IIRC you’re from Brazil, and there’s certain key aspects of Bolsonaro that are Trumpesque, which is seen as good by his voters, and bad from the opposition. And I don’t say this necessarily in a negative way, my right wing party has copied certain Trumpesque aspects, my left wing party Obamaesque, and then another party who’s basically Bernie but with no education. Like they think there’s no cultural, resources or geopolitical difference, one side fits all type of deal, if it works there, it works everywhere.
That’s honestly the underling issue to me, before we get to decide if what you descrive is positive or negative, we should ask ourselves, why all other Countries are basically slaves to a political dogma (be it you consider it positive or negative ) born in America, and if it can be solved without having America implode from within (no offense :endthis:) so that they regain their own volition
 
#68
I suppose they are, they’re the World Government and all.
I read your posts, regarding the left wing, and I see several aspects that are spouted by the same American right wing, Israeli right wing, European right wing etc.
I have no horse in the race, at least for now, but I find it jarring, how they’re similar, the motivations, the arguments, the defenses, the insults at the opposition and the left wingers issues with right wingers and viceversa, like one Country after the other is doing a copypasta for both sides of the spectrum, when in the past, thinkers from all around the globe had different worldviews, now, everyone, either says “true communism has never been tried”, or “capitalism is good for you” “a bit of socialism will do you wonders” “we must defend our traditions” “we must fight transphobia” “seculiar humanism is the only way” abortion and so on, literally we’re discussing ideologies of ghosts because there is no innovation in leadership, and if there is, it comes from America, and it must be copied asap. Hell, IIRC you’re from Brazil, and there’s certain key aspects of Bolsonaro that are Trumpesque, which is seen as good by his voters, and bad from the opposition. And I don’t say this necessarily in a negative way, my right wing party has copied certain Trumpesque aspects, my left wing party Obamaesque, and then another party who’s basically Bernie but with no education. Like they think there’s no cultural, resources or geopolitical difference, one side fits all type of deal, if it works there, it works everywhere.
That’s honestly the underling issue to me, before we get to decide if what you descrive is positive or negative, we should ask ourselves, why all other Countries are basically slaves to a political dogma (be it you consider it positive or negative ) born in America, and if it can be solved without having America implode from within (no offense :endthis:) so that they regain their own volition
It's because the left is a world wide virus,so counter arguments tend to be similar.i'm not Europpean,American or Israeli btw.Brazil's problems boils down to this:lack of individual freedom,government taxes/controls everything that you can think of.The average citizen can't afford to open a fucking hot dog shop because of taxes and bureocracy.Big State=Communism.That is why i'm fed up with socialists.Especially if they are first world kids,posting shit on tik tok from their iphones.These people have no clue what communism does to a country.Venezuela used to be the richest country in LATAM,now its a shit show.
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Is this a thing in the US?
Yes,health services are very expensive there.i believe just calling the ambulance cost a few hundred bucks or even more.
 
#70
I suppose they are, they’re the World Government and all.
I read your posts, regarding the left wing, and I see several aspects that are spouted by the same American right wing, Israeli right wing, European right wing etc.
I have no horse in the race, at least for now, but I find it jarring, how they’re similar, the motivations, the arguments, the defenses, the insults at the opposition and the left wingers issues with right wingers and viceversa, like one Country after the other is doing a copypasta for both sides of the spectrum, when in the past, thinkers from all around the globe had different worldviews, now, everyone, either says “true communism has never been tried”, or “capitalism is good for you” “a bit of socialism will do you wonders” “we must defend our traditions” “we must fight transphobia” “seculiar humanism is the only way” abortion and so on, literally we’re discussing ideologies of ghosts because there is no innovation in leadership, and if there is, it comes from America, and it must be copied asap. Hell, IIRC you’re from Brazil, and there’s certain key aspects of Bolsonaro that are Trumpesque, which is seen as good by his voters, and bad from the opposition. And I don’t say this necessarily in a negative way, my right wing party has copied certain Trumpesque aspects, my left wing party Obamaesque, and then another party who’s basically Bernie but with no education. Like they think there’s no cultural, resources or geopolitical difference, one side fits all type of deal, if it works there, it works everywhere.
That’s honestly the underling issue to me, before we get to decide if what you descrive is positive or negative, we should ask ourselves, why all other Countries are basically slaves to a political dogma (be it you consider it positive or negative ) born in America, and if it can be solved without having America implode from within (no offense :endthis:) so that they regain their own volition
My solution:ban communism/socialism,put in jail anyone that talks,writes books and gives speech about this madness.Do like Poland did.But it won't happen in the US,because of that free speech ammendement.So you guys need to win the narrative/cultural war.Communism failed miserably in the middle east because muslims just killed or imprisoned anyone spreading that shit.
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Man i love to discuss such topic but damn is it a drag to read lengthy paragraphs
You just need to read more.I read these long paragraph very fast and with good retention.
 
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#71
Also,governments tend to be corrupt.So yeah it all ends up in the private sector's hands to do the right thing.
I think you have this backwards. Individuals and corporations tend to be corrupt and self serving. So it is up to the Govt to create/provide an alternative that is affordable. So those who want to go to private sector for services can, and the rest get services from the Govt.

But this doesn't end up being the case because of the involvement of corporations in the govt/elected officials. Because a lot of the elected officials are on their payroll, no progress that hinders their profit is possible. So this comes back to what i was saying about Needing to elect good and just people.
 
#73
I suppose they are, they’re the World Government and all.
I read your posts, regarding the left wing, and I see several aspects that are spouted by the same American right wing, Israeli right wing, European right wing etc.
I have no horse in the race, at least for now, but I find it jarring, how they’re similar, the motivations, the arguments, the defenses, the insults at the opposition and the left wingers issues with right wingers and viceversa, like one Country after the other is doing a copypasta for both sides of the spectrum, when in the past, thinkers from all around the globe had different worldviews, now, everyone, either says “true communism has never been tried”, or “capitalism is good for you” “a bit of socialism will do you wonders” “we must defend our traditions” “we must fight transphobia” “seculiar humanism is the only way” abortion and so on, literally we’re discussing ideologies of ghosts because there is no innovation in leadership, and if there is, it comes from America, and it must be copied asap. Hell, IIRC you’re from Brazil, and there’s certain key aspects of Bolsonaro that are Trumpesque, which is seen as good by his voters, and bad from the opposition. And I don’t say this necessarily in a negative way, my right wing party has copied certain Trumpesque aspects, my left wing party Obamaesque, and then another party who’s basically Bernie but with no education. Like they think there’s no cultural, resources or geopolitical difference, one side fits all type of deal, if it works there, it works everywhere.
That’s honestly the underling issue to me, before we get to decide if what you descrive is positive or negative, we should ask ourselves, why all other Countries are basically slaves to a political dogma (be it you consider it positive or negative ) born in America, and if it can be solved without having America implode from within (no offense :endthis:) so that they regain their own volition
There is also the phenomena of globalism,it is a three headed dragon:rich bankers that control EU,Communists and Islam.These three powers want to spread their control over the globe.It is a complicated situation for everyone.Did you see what that Klaus Swachb(whatever his name is) just said about I.A?Great resest?you will own nothing,but be happy?The worst conspiracies are in plain sight,they are so cocky they don't hide it anymore.
 

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#74
Any person that makes up their mind before they hear the argument is a dumbass

both left and right are idiots. Tho Trumpism is by far the worst of all
 
#75
I think you have this backwards. Individuals and corporations tend to be corrupt and self serving. So it is up to the Govt to create/provide an alternative that is affordable. So those who want to go to private sector for services can, and the rest get services from the Govt.

But this doesn't end up being the case because of the involvement of corporations in the govt/elected officials. Because a lot of the elected officials are on their payroll, no progress that hinders their profit is possible. So this comes back to what i was saying about Needing to elect good and just people.
And who controls governments?Robots?Lizard people?Corruption is everywhere,because people are corrupt.Governments naturally tend to expand,because people that control it want more money and privileges.Its up to the people to put the government in check.Its a necessary evil,because police/army/tribunals are needed to keep society in order.
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Any person that makes up their mind before they hear the argument is a dumbass

both left and right are idiots. Tho Trumpism is by far the worst of all
I agree we are all idiots.Bankers are the real smartasses.
 
#78
I don't blame bankers or politicians. I blame the people and the culture because they came from us and we are dumb and retarded
This!So much this!If people knew what was going on and were not such dumbasses and cowards.No dicatatorship would ever happen again.But people prefer to watch netflix.It is what it is.
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I don't blame bankers or politicians. I blame the people and the culture because they came from us and we are dumb and retarded
But things are getting better thanks to the internet.News spread like wild fire these days,if you fuck up in a private conversation with someone.Hackers will get you and shit will hit the fan for you.
 
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