Current Events Let's appreciate the GOAT who started this arc
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By trying several times to actually stop him before trying to save his own life, compared to attacking someone who is literally trying to greet you.
You should really read Water 7, especially the train section, and you will see how he betrayed him.
He didn´t, not really, that´s just an excuse, something he himself has already stated when Robin tried to do the same.
Heed his own advice for one, show his faith in Luffy two, come up with a plan together three.
You should really read Water 7, especially the train section, and you will see how he betrayed him.
He didn´t, not really, that´s just an excuse, something he himself has already stated when Robin tried to do the same.
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Heed his own advice for one, show his faith in Luffy two, come up with a plan together three.
The same way Sanji was telling Luffy to leave?
You mean before he resorted to killing Luffy.
Or Sanji making Luffy understand the quick way that he is serious?
Kicking is nothing serious, Luffy did the same way trying to "wake" Sanji up by punching him.
You should really read Marineford, Luffy choosing to save Ace (his family) before the crew.
You should read Usopp vs Luffy. Sanji tried to recreate the same thing- leave the crew and make Luffy give up on him like he did with on Usopp.
Only this time it didn't work because Luffy saw through Sanji.
Really? The reason was given to you flat out and you just swipe it away because it hurts your argument?
You mean before he resorted to killing Luffy.
Or Sanji making Luffy understand the quick way that he is serious?
Kicking is nothing serious, Luffy did the same way trying to "wake" Sanji up by punching him.
You should really read Marineford, Luffy choosing to save Ace (his family) before the crew.
You should read Usopp vs Luffy. Sanji tried to recreate the same thing- leave the crew and make Luffy give up on him like he did with on Usopp.
Only this time it didn't work because Luffy saw through Sanji.
Really? The reason was given to you flat out and you just swipe it away because it hurts your argument?
It´s like people have completely forgotten that we had similar situations before, and conveniently forget what actually transpired and what was said to justify not criticizing something.
1) Sanji literally points out to Robin that they need to come up with a solution together, as long as they are together, everything will be fine
2) Usopp literally points out that faith for Luffy is the most important thing, also points out that no crewmember can leave the crew without the captain´s permission, and that is twice painful considering what had transpired with him before.
3) Sanji perfectly knew that no matter what happens, the Strawhats, especially Luffy, would never forsake a crewmember and simply move on. I guess the last 2 years, for some reason, did not happen. Something he also tells Robin.
4) Add to that that Pekomz literally points out that he can smooth things over, the same Pekomz who literally serves as walking info box on the matters of Yonkou power, Big Mom in particular.
5) He had the opportunity to leave Capone together with the other Strawhats, and then quickly defeat him, considering the forces that were at his disposal in Zou.
6) Even if you argue Zeff was in danger, the supposed assassins will not move without a concrete order, meaning if you take out Capone and stop any concrete flow of information until Pekomz wakes up, you literally have enough time for rest of the Strawhats to get there, and then you can come up with a plan together to deal however you see fit.
Stop joking please.
See pre-TS.
Did he?
Did he? I guess we are supposed to forget that these guys know each other.
Yeah sure, it was nothing serious.
Crew was not in danger.
Not even remotely teh same thing.
If it was a reason, i would address it.
1) Sanji literally points out to Robin that they need to come up with a solution together, as long as they are together, everything will be fine
2) Usopp literally points out that faith for Luffy is the most important thing, also points out that no crewmember can leave the crew without the captain´s permission, and that is twice painful considering what had transpired with him before.
3) Sanji perfectly knew that no matter what happens, the Strawhats, especially Luffy, would never forsake a crewmember and simply move on. I guess the last 2 years, for some reason, did not happen. Something he also tells Robin.
4) Add to that that Pekomz literally points out that he can smooth things over, the same Pekomz who literally serves as walking info box on the matters of Yonkou power, Big Mom in particular.
5) He had the opportunity to leave Capone together with the other Strawhats, and then quickly defeat him, considering the forces that were at his disposal in Zou.
6) Even if you argue Zeff was in danger, the supposed assassins will not move without a concrete order, meaning if you take out Capone and stop any concrete flow of information until Pekomz wakes up, you literally have enough time for rest of the Strawhats to get there, and then you can come up with a plan together to deal however you see fit.
Stop joking please.
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See pre-TS.
Did he?
Did he? I guess we are supposed to forget that these guys know each other.
Yeah sure, it was nothing serious.
Crew was not in danger.
Not even remotely teh same thing.
If it was a reason, i would address it.
Robin had no one on the other side of the world being held as a hostage.
And he had to fight Luffy for Luffy to give up on him.
Same thing for Sanji only Luffy knew he was lying.
And that's why Sanji lied in the note saying he will return and just goes to "see a woman", he lied and reassured them he wasn't in danger.
The same pekoms that was shot to "death" in front of Sanji for what he was saying? (Sanji didn't know he protected himself)
Except for the whole blackmail thing?
+ they came with a crew, who knows who else are on board?
Not to mention den den mushi on the ship to tell what Sanji did.
You think that Bege came alone with no crew and had no den den mushi.
You think he knew pekoms was alive.
I'm sorry? How would Sanji know how long it will take for the crew to come?
Maybe the fight is still going on with Doffy.
You think at least 1 week without Bege reporting in for Judge and Big Mom will not make them think that something happened?
Come up with the plan to somehow go to other side of the world in few minutes?
What about it? U said Zolo tried to stop Luffy.
Sanji was telling for Luffy to leave.
Do I need to post the panel again?
Should he start friendly talk and then suddenly be mean?
THAT wouldn't be obvious that he is lying?
So did Luffy disrespect/betray Sanji by punching him? Or was it nothing serious?
The Ace comparison is that Luffy ( the captain) chose family over the crew.
Luffy had no idea where Nami or Usopp landed. How would those 2 protect themselves?
Luffy had to fight where he landed after Kuma.
Sanji trying to fight Luffy to make him give up on him, like he gave up on Usopp is not the same thing?
So fighting Luffy to protect others is not a reason?
And he had to fight Luffy for Luffy to give up on him.
Same thing for Sanji only Luffy knew he was lying.
And that's why Sanji lied in the note saying he will return and just goes to "see a woman", he lied and reassured them he wasn't in danger.
The same pekoms that was shot to "death" in front of Sanji for what he was saying? (Sanji didn't know he protected himself)
Except for the whole blackmail thing?
+ they came with a crew, who knows who else are on board?
Not to mention den den mushi on the ship to tell what Sanji did.
You think that Bege came alone with no crew and had no den den mushi.
You think he knew pekoms was alive.
I'm sorry? How would Sanji know how long it will take for the crew to come?
Maybe the fight is still going on with Doffy.
You think at least 1 week without Bege reporting in for Judge and Big Mom will not make them think that something happened?
Come up with the plan to somehow go to other side of the world in few minutes?
What about it? U said Zolo tried to stop Luffy.
Sanji was telling for Luffy to leave.
Do I need to post the panel again?
Should he start friendly talk and then suddenly be mean?
THAT wouldn't be obvious that he is lying?
So did Luffy disrespect/betray Sanji by punching him? Or was it nothing serious?
The Ace comparison is that Luffy ( the captain) chose family over the crew.
Luffy had no idea where Nami or Usopp landed. How would those 2 protect themselves?
Luffy had to fight where he landed after Kuma.
Sanji trying to fight Luffy to make him give up on him, like he gave up on Usopp is not the same thing?
So fighting Luffy to protect others is not a reason?
Robin had no one on the other side of the world being held as a hostage.
And he had to fight Luffy for Luffy to give up on him.
Same thing for Sanji only Luffy knew he was lying.
And that's why Sanji lied in the note saying he will return and just goes to "see a woman", he lied and reassured them he wasn't in danger.
The same pekoms that was shot to "death" in front of Sanji for what he was saying? (Sanji didn't know he protected himself)
Except for the whole blackmail thing?
+ they came with a crew, who knows who else are on board?
Not to mention den den mushi on the ship to tell what Sanji did.
You think that Bege came alone with no crew and had no den den mushi.
You think he knew pekoms was alive.
I'm sorry? How would Sanji know how long it will take for the crew to come?
Maybe the fight is still going on with Doffy.
You think at least 1 week without Bege reporting in for Judge and Big Mom will not make them think that something happened?
Come up with the plan to somehow go to other side of the world in few minutes?
What about it? U said Zolo tried to stop Luffy.
Sanji was telling for Luffy to leave.
Do I need to post the panel again?
Should he start friendly talk and then suddenly be mean?
THAT wouldn't be obvious that he is lying?
So did Luffy disrespect/betray Sanji by punching him? Or was it nothing serious?
The Ace comparison is that Luffy ( the captain) chose family over the crew.
Luffy had no idea where Nami or Usopp landed. How would those 2 protect themselves?
Luffy had to fight where he landed after Kuma.
Sanji trying to fight Luffy to make him give up on him, like he gave up on Usopp is not the same thing?
So fighting Luffy to protect others is not a reason?
And he had to fight Luffy for Luffy to give up on him.
Same thing for Sanji only Luffy knew he was lying.
And that's why Sanji lied in the note saying he will return and just goes to "see a woman", he lied and reassured them he wasn't in danger.
The same pekoms that was shot to "death" in front of Sanji for what he was saying? (Sanji didn't know he protected himself)
Except for the whole blackmail thing?
+ they came with a crew, who knows who else are on board?
Not to mention den den mushi on the ship to tell what Sanji did.
You think that Bege came alone with no crew and had no den den mushi.
You think he knew pekoms was alive.
I'm sorry? How would Sanji know how long it will take for the crew to come?
Maybe the fight is still going on with Doffy.
You think at least 1 week without Bege reporting in for Judge and Big Mom will not make them think that something happened?
Come up with the plan to somehow go to other side of the world in few minutes?
What about it? U said Zolo tried to stop Luffy.
Sanji was telling for Luffy to leave.
Do I need to post the panel again?
Should he start friendly talk and then suddenly be mean?
THAT wouldn't be obvious that he is lying?
So did Luffy disrespect/betray Sanji by punching him? Or was it nothing serious?
The Ace comparison is that Luffy ( the captain) chose family over the crew.
Luffy had no idea where Nami or Usopp landed. How would those 2 protect themselves?
Luffy had to fight where he landed after Kuma.
Sanji trying to fight Luffy to make him give up on him, like he gave up on Usopp is not the same thing?
So fighting Luffy to protect others is not a reason?
Only that nobody thought Luffy woukd ever give up, his own words.
Thinking his crewmates are morons you say? Since none of them believed that, and he knew it.
Yeah by capone who acted on his own, we later learned why, to kill BM.
Had an entire Island on his side.
Beges crew was inside, sanji literally saw them.
Irrelevant, it definitely takes less than a possible voyage to WCI. Also basically saying no trust in Luffy and the crew.
Why should it? There are many possibilities what could have happened, none that would go and waste your pressure factor.
No to go to WCI together and deal with it
Difference, the Luffy Zoro situation arose from a misunderstanding, and despite Luffy trying to kill him, he tried everything to explain and resolve the situation, which in the end you did.
Sanji knew Luffy would never leave, still did this nonsense.
You can post anything you want, reposting does not change that its nonsense.
No, should have done the right thing from the getgo, but even after that, you first try to explain.
Heck, his attack had the opposite effect.
He punched him to wake him up, completely different context.
He didnt, because he did not choose one thing over the other, but postponed one thing to do the more time sensitive one, while also having faith in his crew, which he articulates in Amazon Lily.
It isnt, because once again context.
Usopps situation was not so he could leave, he already had, it was for the ship, and luffy also knew everything about the situation.
Also Usopp was not in danger and pretended to leave to supposedly save the crew, it was a disagreement fueled by his insecurities as a fighter.
And also something you conveniently miss to mention, this entire thing happened pre-ts, when the crew went through both individual and crew development as a crew, which culminated in their biggest challenge in Shabondy and consequently the oath they each articulated before the timeskip.
Arlong Park was fueled by lack of trust in Luffy, so was water 7 and enies lobby, which was the entire point, so that Luffy could show he is worthy of that trust.
Post-ts, they are supposedly over such challenges, if not for Sanji.
If it had a reasonable chance, sure, but it didnt.
No matter how you try to spin it, with the context of what the situation at hand was and especially what had transpired pre-ts, sanji fucked up badly.
Still waiting for zoro to learn about what sanji did.
Spot the difference
Some of y’all are REALLY having to twist yourselves in knots defending the cook who defected knowing he would bring his friends into a Yonko’s territory, while completely vilifying the swordsman who’s been Luffy’s most loyal crew mate in a moment where the captain lost his mind and truly aimed to hurt him. Zoro has one moment of “insubordination” and you guys jump all over it, but we literally have an entire arc dedicated to how badly Sanji fucked everyone and everything and y’all are eating it up. If he hadn’t gone to WCI, Zeff and the Baratie might have gotten destroyed; since he did, they’re safe, but:
• Pedro’s dead
• Jinbe’s potentially dead or otherwise disfigured, and his joining the crew has been delayed again when they need his power in Wano
• The Vinsmokes are totally ruined in terms of reputation and power
• Linlin followed them and brought some of her crew to Wano, ended up forming an alliance with Kaido, and it’s not like the SHP wouldn’t have faced her eventually (probably without having to worry about a second Yonko at the same time)
So, there you go, @Chrono...look at all the great things Sanji’s decisions led to.
You know, I wasn’t necessarily a Zorotard coming into this thread, but interacting with all these blind Sanji lemmings is REALLY pushing me in that direction...
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Is it already confirmed though..?? :smithnie:
Are Zoro fans still dreaming of Zoro Vs Kaido after his earlier performance in Wano.?
P.S. Yeah, Sanji is most probably the most kindest of the SHs. He inherited his mother’s kindness. His sister confirmed it.
Are Zoro fans still dreaming of Zoro Vs Kaido after his earlier performance in Wano.?
P.S. Yeah, Sanji is most probably the most kindest of the SHs. He inherited his mother’s kindness. His sister confirmed it.
No this jealousy. If it was annoyance you wouldnt reply and would ignore it after posting one thing.
Your either jealous of Sanji or his fans, turn that to hating him or them. Take @nik87 for example. He maybe a crazy Zoro fan. But atleast he is comfortable with himself and not insecure at all. He believes in Zoro and believe he can defeat Kaido ( pray for him), but he doesnt go crazy on hating like the rest of you.
You are jealous because you do not believe in Zoro at all, so you are hating on Sanji. No doubt about it. Get a life man.
Your either jealous of Sanji or his fans, turn that to hating him or them. Take @nik87 for example. He maybe a crazy Zoro fan. But atleast he is comfortable with himself and not insecure at all. He believes in Zoro and believe he can defeat Kaido ( pray for him), but he doesnt go crazy on hating like the rest of you.
You are jealous because you do not believe in Zoro at all, so you are hating on Sanji. No doubt about it. Get a life man.
