General & Others Let's imagine SSG!!

[Gran D. Master]

Why though? Combining multiple powers make you stronger if that guy was fighting against someone who wasn't a swordsmen he would have an advantage over him but fighting with a sword against WSS made it disadvantage so he used his df alone to defeat him.

Combining powers doesn't make everyone stronger. Some people fight with no weapon and no df. Like I said, if I was in that guy's shoes I'd drop the sword because I feel that I would reach a higher level by strictly honing my df abilities than I ever could as a swordsman. That is just based on the scenario you provided where the guy is a "bad swordsman"

 

[Master OF Haki]

I'd say it's not really power level related thing
I'd say it's a weapon OR weapons

So, I wouldn't compare the invention to human beings power scaling

Rather, I'd compare it to "Ancient Weapons"

Since Ancient weapons are anyway also inventions but from the old civilization... I wouldn't be surprised to see Vegapunk.. the main said to have knowledge 500 years ahead if his time... to be smart enough to rival people of the anciebt kingdom in terms of inventions

So... what I wanna say is that the weapon will be SO hax generally.... but there will be certain individuals with special powers like specific DFs or even a very Advanced Haki level that allows them to not get affected...

Ether way it can't be as powerful as the ancient weapons (in the same way how the artificial df aren't as strong as the original one, not even close) since that removes whole point of ancient weapons since Vegapank can create a lot of them same as the artificial dfs.

 

[MD Zolo]

Vegapunk is an important thread which will tie into the final war. I believe that. That is why we are still only getting hints about him and nothing else.

I think whatever Vegapunk's ultimate inventions are, they will be deadly to the core. Not fodder mindless pacifistas.

 

[Buusatan94]

I think SSG is rather the name of the Navy Scientific Division charged of creating new special weapons for the World Government.

As for the new weapon developped by Vegapunk I can see several possibilities :
New Pacistas with completed cloned df abilities and other than Kizaru's Pika Piķa no mi.
An army of new super clones with special abilities, much more numerous and intelligent than the Pacifistas and still loyal to the WG.
New super weapons with formidable destructive power, though not as powerful as an Ancient Weapon.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Combining powers doesn't make everyone stronger. Some people fight with no weapon and no df. Like I said, if I was in that guy's shoes I'd drop the sword because I feel that I would reach a higher level by strictly honing my df abilities than I ever could as a swordsman. That is just based on the scenario you provided where the guy is a "bad swordsman"

You still don't get the point. Let's say that guy is fighting against Luffy with only his df, in that case he would have a disadvantage since Luffy is a great df user to, but if he uses his swordsmanship combined with his df that would give him an advantage over Luffy since swords can damage Luffy. Do you get it now? Some fighters have a weakness against swords, a smart fighter would study multiple fighting styles to be proppered for deferent oponnents. Do you think X Drake uses a sword because he dreams to become WSS? Of course not, he knows it's impossible for him. Do you think 99% of Marines uses a sword because they dream to become WSS? Of course not, they know that it's impossible for them, they are using the sword combined with their other powers because that's make them stronger and allows them to fight against deferent oponnents.

 

[HA001]

You still don't get the point. Let's say that guy is fighting against Luffy with only his df, in that case he would have a disadvantage since Luffy is a great df user to, but if he uses his swordsmanship combined with his df that would give him an advantage over Luffy since swords can damage Luffy. Do you get it now? Some fighters have a weakness against swords, a smart fighter would study multiple fighting styles to be proppered for deferent oponnents. Do you think X Drake uses a sword because he dreams to become WSS? Of course not, he knows it's impossible for him. Do you think 99% of Marines uses a sword because they dream to become WSS? Of course not, they know that it's impossible for them, they are using the sword combined with their other powers because that's make them stronger and allows them to fight against deferent oponnents.

But shanks has only used a sword since he was a kid. Hes a bonafide swordsman. He doesnt have a fruit or other fighting styles.

 

[uyuu]

Combining powers doesn't make everyone stronger. Some people fight with no weapon and no df. Like I said, if I was in that guy's shoes I'd drop the sword because I feel that I would reach a higher level by strictly honing my df abilities than I ever could as a swordsman. That is just based on the scenario you provided where the guy is a "bad swordsman"

Ether way it can't be as powerful as the ancient weapons (in the same way how the artificial df aren't as strong as the original one, not even close) since that removes whole point of ancient weapons since Vegapank can create a lot of them same as the artificial dfs.

let's move to the suitable topic for this, guys.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-swordsmen-debate.4055/

i for one agree with the notion of someone can be a weaker swordsman but a stronger fighter overall.

 

[Master OF Haki]

But shanks has only used a sword since he was a kid. Hes a bonafide swordsman. He doesnt have a fruit or other fighting styles.

Ok, that is alredy a progress. So do you agree that not all swordsmen gain their strength only through their swordsmanship?
We don't know how Shanks fights, the only thing we know is that he's a top level swordsmen and that's for sure. Oda has been hyping Shanks' fighting style in SBS multiple times. First he said that when he introduced Shanks he didn't came up with idea how he fights, and then he hyped his fighting style 2 more times. One thing I can say for sure there's no top tier fighter that uses only one fighting style or one power (haki is not included since everybody uses haki on that level) so based on that there's no way that Shanks is so strong only through his swordsmanship especially considering the fact that Shanks is the only Yonko who is regular human with one arm and no df.

 

[HA001]

Ok, that is alredy a progress. So do you agree that not all swordsmen gain their strength only through their swordsmanship?
We don't know how Shanks fights, the only thing we know is that he's a top level swordsmen and that's for sure. Oda has been hyping Shanks' fighting style in SBS multiple times. First he said that when he introduced Shanks he didn't came up with idea how he fights, and then he hyped his fighting style 2 more times. One thing I can say for sure there's no top tier fighter that uses only one fighting style or one power (haki is not included since everybody uses haki on that level) so based on that there's no way that Shanks is so strong only through his swordsmanship especially considering the fact that Shanks is the only Yonko who is regular human with one arm and no df.

Oda jokes in sbs but he gave him a named sword.
Not to mention oda has drawn the human version of 4 people's swords so far
Zoros
Shanks
Mihawks
And now brook
Why ? Cause they are all swordsman.

Youre setting yourself up for failure. Shanks will be a roger/rayleigh clone a top tier swordsman. There is no magical other fighting style.

 

[Gran D. Master]

Ok, that is alredy a progress. So do you agree that not all swordsmen gain their strength only through their swordsmanship?
We don't know how Shanks fights, the only thing we know is that he's a top level swordsmen and that's for sure. Oda has been hyping Shanks' fighting style in SBS multiple times. First he said that when he introduced Shanks he didn't came up with idea how he fights, and then he hyped his fighting style 2 more times. One thing I can say for sure there's no top tier fighter that uses only one fighting style or one power (haki is not included since everybody uses haki on that level) so based on that there's no way that Shanks is so strong only through his swordsmanship especially considering the fact that Shanks is the only Yonko who is regular human with one arm and no df.

Literally the same argument can be made for Mihawk. Is there evidence Mihawk doesn't have any other powers beyond his swordsmanship?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Or you could just make an army of completed Pacifista?

Like, an army of upgraded, physically more capable Pacifista seems like it would be an absolutely devastating fighting force...

Im sure they have that too

 

[Master OF Haki]

Literally the same argument can be made for Mihawk. Is there evidence Mihawk doesn't have any other powers beyond his swordsmanship?

Ok, I agree but If he has samthing more than his swordsmanship than WSS title has nothing to do with strength but rather with skill.

 

[Gran D. Master]

WSS Mihawk > Swordsman Shanks

"But Shanks has secret hidden powers"


Fair enough, but what if Mihawk's secret hidden powers will also turn out to be stronger than Shanks'?

 

[HA001]

Ok, I agree but If he has samthing more than his swordsmanship than WSS title has nothing to with strength but rather with skill.

But thats not the case.
Its not just sword skill.
Zoro has been training 2 things physical strength and haki.
He is still using the same techniques that got him neg diffed by mihawk.

 

[Gran D. Master]

Ok, I agree but If he has samthing more than his swordsmanship than WSS title has nothing to with strength but rather with skill.

No lol how did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Finalbeta]

WSS Mihawk > Swordsman Shanks

"But Shanks has secret hidden powers"


Fair enough, but what if Mihawk's secret hidden powers will also turn out to be stronger than Shanks'?

Also based on what they think Shanks got more hidden power than Mihawk lol that's straight up illogical and should be the opposite based on portrayal

 

[Master OF Haki]

I'm not counting Haki or Physical strength since everybody has it on that level, do you think someone can be strong whiteout strong haki or Physical strength? I'm talking about mortal arts, technology, special weapons, dfs, special powers like sulong, live returning, Lao G etc.

 

[HA001]

I'm not counting Haki or Physical strength since everybody has it on that level, do you think someone can be strong whiteout strong haki or Physical strength? I'm talking about mortal arts, technology, special weapons, dfs, special powers like sulong, live returning, Lao G etc.

No but you're insinuating wss is about sword skill when thats the one thing zoro hasnt changed. If it was just sword skill hed be using new techniques instead of the same (3000 worlds oni giri) that mihawk destroyed.

 

[Kurodiamondo]

For those who still debating about WSS, shanks, or mihawk.

Here's my opinion
I believe Mihawk is as strong as Shanks or maybe he is weaker than shanks. But what make them difference is their advance haki I guess. Mihawk more likely to have swordman special haki.

Shanks has advanced conqueror haki
But Mihawk has special advanced conqueror haki that can conquer his sword so it can turn into black blade

 

[Master OF Haki]

No but you're insinuating wss is about sword skill when thats the one thing zoro hasnt changed. If it was just sword skill hed be using new techniques instead of the same (3000 worlds oni giri) that mihawk destroyed.

Didn't Zoro came up with asura after that? Also skill has nathing to do with new techniques, it's about how good you at performing it.

I don't fear an enemy who studied thousands techniques, I fear an enemy who studied a one technique thousand times.
Bruce Lee