Powers & Abilities Let's make something clear... Queen is stronger then King

kurwa

kurwa

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#21
#21
Doubt it, but they are close from portrayal
The only way I see Queen being stronger is if he used same poison the one was used on Luffy in Udon.
Luffy while being poison resistant still was affected badly by the poison, imagine that on a normal person.

but I have no idea if he fights with poison or just for torture in Udon.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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WesMidnight said:
Funkfreed wasn't a proper combatant, he was a sword made animate, we are talking about two characters portrayed as near equals with back and forth arguments.

They have pros and cons in their abilities, King is not better in every conceivable stat to Queen, just like Zoro isn't better than Sanji in every conceivable area and severely lacks mobility when compared to Sanji for example.

Kaku despite being weaker, and having a less overall impressive Zoan to Lucci, gained the benefit of his long frame for usage of rankyaku techniques. Sauropods are the largest land animals to ever exist, the definitive nature of his fruit is to be a big strong tank.
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So what's your point then?

I thought this thread was saying " Because Queen is a bigger dinosaur, he will whoop King's ass in a fight". Of course this directly implies that if sanji Beats queen and Zoro beats king, Sanji will also whoop Zoro's ass in a fight.

Right?

Which we know isn't true. Zoro beats Sanji in a fight. Same way King beats Queen in a fight.

You are choosing to ignore actual combat ability to say the bigger dinosaur wins. Therefore Funkfreed beat Lucci because ELEPHANTS >>>> LEOPARDS
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kurwa said:
Doubt it, but they are close from portrayal
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You mean Queen is also YC1? How come Smoothie isn't also YC1?
 
WesMidnight

WesMidnight

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ImmaIvanoM said:
So what's your point then?

I thought this thread was saying " Because Queen is a bigger dinosaur, he will whoop King's ass in a fight". Of course this directly implies that if sanji Beats queen and Zoro beats king, Sanji will also whoop Zoro's ass in a fight.

Right?

Which we know isn't true. Zoro beats Sanji in a fight. Same way King beats Queen in a fight.

You are choosing to ignore actual combat ability to say the bigger dinosaur wins. Therefore Funkfreed beat Lucci because ELEPHANTS >>>> LEOPARDS
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You mean Queen is also YC1? How come Smoothie isn't also YC1?
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No I said all factors being relatively equal then the fruit plays a large role in the combat style and strengths that character will have.
Funkfreed was not a combatant, but a tool given fruit sentience, if he had an equal doriki and martial arts mastery to Lucci then his Zoan physical strength and durability, would be better than Lucci's. Claiming that the gap between base King and base Queen is anywhere near the gap between base Lucci and the inanimate sword that made up Funkfreed is a very strange position to be arguing for...

I was saying Queen can tank more damage than King and he has the better brute clashing strength, while inferior mobility and variability.

I'm of the opinion King is fighting Sanji not Zoro.

Also the gap between portrayal of Katakuri and everyone else in the crew is clear, and everyone except for Perospero due to being first born views Katakuri as an unbeatable godlike figure, we do not get the same portrayal gap between King and Queen. Katakuri can't be beaten unless you have speed vastly faster than Snakeman or futuresight and Snakeman level speed, or if you have some insane AoE abilities AND are a freakish tank to the level of Kaido/Big Mom.

Kata>>King>=Queen>Smoothie
 
Afroking

Afroking

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Queen is stronger in a battlefield rn due to his viruses.
In 1vs1 with a character of similar caliber it is situational and depends if he can use his viruses or
if he actually fights at all with them.

0% He is above King without the viruses.
 
Jew D. Boy

Jew D. Boy

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Let’s make something even clearer...I don’t give a shit :attachpol:

The fact of the matter is Queen AND King *AND* even Jack are more insanely powerful enemies than any non-Luffy SHP has fully faced in the series to this point. Bringing either/both (all?) of them down would be a tremendous accomplishment for Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper, Nami, OR Usopp. We’re at a juncture in this series where things are building to their crescendo; Oda doesn’t care who sings the aria (although it’ll ultimately be the captain of our protagonist crew) as long as they hit the high notes for which he’s reaching.
 
Violent Sanji

Violent Sanji

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Why? How come Katakuri Smoothie and Cracker ARE NOT relative and neither are Ace Marco and Jozu?

Why is it specifically Kaido's crew that's like this?
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All crews have their own strength hierarchy. Katakuri was potrayed to be on a different level from the rest of the bmp commanders. Jack has been referred to as a right hand man and so was queen. In fact all the all stars are considered the same rank. I haven't seen anything from king to put him way above queen or jack. King proabably has a bounty close to queen's.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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Violent Sanji said:
Jack has been referred to as a right hand man
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This is a mistranslation. Jack isn't stayed to be the right hand man in the correct translation

King having a bounty close to queen doesn't mean anything. Smoothie has 930 million and Katakuri has 1 billion. Yet Katakuri is like 10 times more competent than her

You don't think King being named KING is a hierarchy? Why not? I mean do you believe is a coincidence that kaido has card themes and his men are named this by accident
 
WesMidnight

WesMidnight

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ImmaIvanoM said:
This is a mistranslation. Jack isn't stayed to be the right hand man in the correct translation

King having a bounty close to queen doesn't mean anything. Smoothie has 930 million and Katakuri has 1 billion. Yet Katakuri is like 10 times more competent than her

You don't think King being named KING is a hierarchy? Why not? I mean do you believe is a coincidence that kaido has card themes and his men are named this by accident
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King Queen and Jack are all worth 10 in Blackjack.
Of course it isn't an accident it is a theme, that doesn't mean there is a massive gap between the face cards.

We haven't seen Smoothie fight, but Oda says she is very strong, but in any case there was a portrayal gap in the Big Mom Pirates with Katakuri seen as a godlike figure, King is not held with the same reverence in the beast pirates by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Fenaker said:
The last time they say Zoro fans will make a thread saying Queen is stronger than King which is delusional now u can verify who made this thread it's a sanji fan :suresure::noo:
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A true Zoro fan would moreover make a thread on how the Grandmaster will take out a yonko and not a simple YC :P

Which the exception of not be biased
 
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