Lille Barro vs Zenon Zogratis

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yami is not multidimensional, what are you smoking? He can cut through dimensions, but that doesn't make him multidimensional tf.

Slicing through multiple dimensions doesn’t make you multi dimensional?? Lol

She has limited fate manipulation with her cat, which is limited reality warping, someone like Gremmy for example has better reality warping feats.

Okay? I never disagreed, nor do I know who Gremmy (or Lille) is. Lol

Lmao. Why is he multi-dimensional? The only argument I can see from you is that he lives in another dimension, but by that logic so is Lille.

Like I just told Seth,

He manifests his powers in a dimension separate from the one he lives in, and he is also capable of pulling characters outside of their dimension and trapping them in a separate dimension where they are helpless.

That is by definition a multi dimensional character.

 

[T2K Baka]

You are looking from the perspective as if Zenon just stands somewhere and acts retarded.

Zenon is the most impressive fighter out of the Dark Triad.

If his power pool is weaker than Zenon's, then Zenon erases his powers when he comes near him.

I don't think you understand what instantaneous, and no travel time means, especially if they have no knowledge of each other, Zenon will probably think Lille is weak and get pierced by X-Axis and has his heart destroyed.

 

[SkySanji]

You are looking from the perspective as if Zenon just stands somewhere and acts retarded.

Zenon is the most impressive fighter out of the Dark Triad.

If his power pool is weaker than Zenon's, then Zenon erases his powers when he comes near him.

Did you miss the part where I said "doesn't travel"? Zenon has no knowledge and he's not evading an attack that is instant

 

[Astaro]

That’s not what Dante did though, he straight up looked her reality warping cat in the face and ripped it to shreds while Vanessa had virtually exhausted no mana. This is the same cat who the Witch Queen could not defeat or even phase, and Dante simply negged it instantly.

Yes, by making her use up all her mana trying to defend Asta. The cat no longer can control fate or probability as soon as Vanessa runs out of mana and the stronger the opponent, the more mana Vanessa needs trying to affect their fate

Yami’s signature move is literally called “dark dimension cutter slash”, and Yami has stated multiple times that this attack cuts through dimensions, literally. That same Yami gets dogwalked by any Dark Triad member.

Yami would slice through Zenon just as easily as Langris did. The issue is that as shown with Langris, even spatial attacks can’t put down Zenon.

 

[T2K Baka]

Slicing through multiple dimensions doesn’t make you multi dimensional?? Lol

Bleach characters break out of dimensions by punching through it, I guess they are also multi-dimensional right?

He manifests his powers in a dimension separate from the one he lives in, and he is also capable of pulling characters outside of their dimension and trapping them in a separate dimension where they are helpless.

Cool, Lille fought someone like that as well and was beating him.

Also, Lille is immortal

 

[Astaro]

X-Axis is instantaneous, there is no travel time for his ability and just pierces. Shunsui has like limited law manipulation where he can force you to play his games that can damage you regardless of durability, but that didn't work on Lille.

Yet Shunsui dodged it on several occasions, 2 of after Barro fired (first one which still got his foot but otherwise dodged and again after activating his Bankai just before inflicting shared wounds).

He also at least aim dodges several other times

 

[Formerly Seth]

Did you miss the part where I said "doesn't travel"? Zenon has no knowledge and he's not evading an attack that is instant

W/e then.

I don't understand matchups like this.

At least make it fair for both fighters lol.

I can also pick up a mfker who deletes whatever it touches and his reaction speed surpasses reaction speed term itself and place him against someone.

What's the point of this type of matchups when you pick a character you know will win based on his Hax.

 

[SkySanji]

Yet Shunsui dodged it on several occasions, 2 of after Barro fired (first one which still got his foot and again after activating his Bankai)

Wrong, Shunsui never dodged it, he used illusions which isn't dodging

Read the fight and this is literally stated by Shunsui and Lille

 

[Astaro]

Wrong, Shunsui never dodged it, he used illusions which isn't dodging

Read the fight and this is literally stated by Shunsui and Lille

Shunsui dodging even with holes punches into him

Lille can cross dimensions with Shadow...that doesn't matter

Not seeing why Lille doesn't just immediately snipe Zenon in the head like this which ignores distance, doesn't travel and bypasses durability

Destroying his head wouldn’t affect him

 

[SkySanji]

Shunsui dodging even with holes punches into him

When Lille transforms he seems to stop using the X-Axis and shoots out light beams and shit

And regardless, I never said it can't be aim dodged which is what he does there, Zenon has no knowledge so he's not doing this

Here it's stated that no projectile is fired, everything is just erased

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Here it's stated that it can't be dodged

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Here Shunsui confirms it and admits he's using essentially illusions/clones to avoid it

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[Astaro]

When Lille transforms he seems to stop using the X-Axis and shoots out light beams and shit

And regardless, I never said it can't be aim dodged which is what he does there, Zenon has no knowledge so he's not doing this

Here it's stated that no projectile is fired, everything is just erased

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Here it's stated that it can't be dodged

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Here Shunsui confirms it and admits he's using essentially illusions/clones to avoid it

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Hes literally firing the exact same attack. Both his wings and gun are shooting the same cross shaped light.

Pretty ridiculous to say his Volstandig is somehow weaker than his Base form when no comment was made of his attacks being any different too

 

[T2K Baka]

Yet Shunsui dodged it on several occasions, 2 of after Barro fired (first one which still got his foot but otherwise dodged and again after activating his Bankai just before inflicting shared wounds).

He also at least aim dodges several other times

When they first fight, Lille shot at after images, one of the shots like you said hit Shunsui's foot, and when did he dodge before he activated his bankai? He had a hole at the top of his shoulders and other parts of his body. He was able to escape some of the shots because of his shadow shit, but he still got hit.

In bankai, he got hit but was sharing the wounds.

 

[SkySanji]

Hes literally firing the exact same attack. Both his wings and gun are shooting the same cross shaped light.

Pretty ridiculous to say his Volstandig is somehow weaker than his Base form when no comment was made of his attacks being any different too

Problem is that we see his attacks are very functionally different when transformed

And again, we're not ignoring the multiple statements of it being unavoidable and the fact that no projectile is fired

If he's aiming at you and fires it's unavoidable, but it can be aimdodged as you said

 

[Astaro]

Problem is that we see his attacks are very functionally different when transformed

And again, we're not ignoring the multiple statements of it being unavoidable and the fact that no projectile is fired

If he's aiming at you and fires it's unavoidable, but it can be aimdodged as you said

Theres no visible difference. Gun fires a single cross shaped light, Volstandig fires the same cross shaped light from his wings. It’s the same attack.

Statements contradicted by Shunsui being able to just barely dodge them.

Zenon shouldn’t have a problem doing the same as Shunsui since he’s at least FTL. And as long as his heart is fine, any other parts of himself he does lose are superficial and grow up back immediately

 

[SkySanji]

Theres no visible difference. Gun fires a single cross shaped light, Volstandig fires the same cross shaped light from his wings. It’s the same attack.

Statements contradicted by Shunsui being able to just barely dodge them.

Zenon shouldn’t have a problem doing the same as Shunsui since he’s at least FTL.

Stop ignoring the argument

It cannot be dodged once fired, nothing contradicts this, Shunsui at best aim dodges it once or twice which doesn't disprove that it's instant, it just proves that Lille needs to aim at you which is obvious

Let's not forget either than Lille can freeze movements to guarantee the shot lands

 

[T2K Baka]

Shunsui dodging even with holes punches into him

Oh, I see, this is what you meant. You can aim dodge it, but if it's aimed directly at you then that's a different story. That's why he told the royal guards to line up in a straight line so he can pierce them all at once.

This doesn't contradict anything because he only dodged shit that wasn't directly aimed at him. Every other time it was, he had to use an illusion, or he got hit.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Slicing through multiple dimensions doesn’t make you multi dimensional?? Lol



Okay? I never disagreed, nor do I know who Gremmy (or Lille) is. Lol



Like I just told Seth,

He manifests his powers in a dimension separate from the one he lives in, and he is also capable of pulling characters outside of their dimension and trapping them in a separate dimension where they are helpless.

That is by definition a multi dimensional character.

Tbh that's why I barely read and type in Multiverse section because people either don't give the fair rules or just put XYZ against XYZ where character number 1 has hax that can do uga buga and other character can't.


This thread got to CV level really quick.

 

[T2K Baka]

I mean Zenon has no way of actually putting Lille down at all, but if Lille gets a shot in the heart, then it's over for Zenon.

 

[Astaro]

Stop ignoring the argument

It cannot be dodged once fired, nothing contradicts this, Shunsui at best aim dodges it once or twice which doesn't disprove that it's instant, it just proves that Lille needs to aim at you which is obvious

Yet dodged just fine by an injured Shunsui after it was fired

Let's not forget either than Lille can freeze moments to guarantee the shot lands

Never explained beyond Shunsui perhaps shocked by the form or the release of spiritual pressure which can immobilize people. He’s never held in place again too

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I mean Zenon has no way of actually putting Lille down at all, but if Lille gets a shot in the heart, then it's over for Zenon.

Destroy his halo and he loses his intangibility. Also, his own X-Axis reflected back to him destroyed him too

 

[SkySanji]

Yet dodged just fine by an injured Shunsui

Never explained beyond Shunsui perhaps shocked by the form or the release of spiritual pressure which can immobilize people. He’s never held in place again too

Aim dodged

You do this all the time where you try and ignore blatant Bleach statements but then use other statements with no issue, just purely hypocritical

It's instant, can't be dodged (once fired) and no projectile is released

These three facts aren't changing simply because Shunsui used some illusions and aim dodged

Zenon gets fucked, end of discussion.

Zenon gets fucked