Controversial Lions Are The Most Fraudulent Animal
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Orca are known predators of Sperm Whales
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...h-sperm-whales-orcas-indian-ocean-in-pictures
They display predator behavior to groups of Bulls and only back off when it seems they can’t get an inch. That’s not behavior of an animal afraid of Sperm Bulls but very similar to lions with wildebeest if they can’t get a vulnerable member out of a herd.
Predation fails more often than not as a rule in nature, so I’m not surprised by these examples but Orca are known to hunt humpback whales and go for their calves.
I don’t really care about comparing a well documented animal like orca to Megalodon, especially with the recent changes and reported tonnage increase with its elongated body. Too many unknowns for an animal of that size
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...h-sperm-whales-orcas-indian-ocean-in-pictures
They display predator behavior to groups of Bulls and only back off when it seems they can’t get an inch. That’s not behavior of an animal afraid of Sperm Bulls but very similar to lions with wildebeest if they can’t get a vulnerable member out of a herd.
Predation fails more often than not as a rule in nature, so I’m not surprised by these examples but Orca are known to hunt humpback whales and go for their calves.
I don’t really care about comparing a well documented animal like orca to Megalodon, especially with the recent changes and reported tonnage increase with its elongated body. Too many unknowns for an animal of that size
The main thing for me is that there's an image of them being very successful at it, even with grown adults, which as you've pointed out isn't the case.
I'm also familiar with both incidents you've shared here:
- The Pitman one is more of an outlier than the norm. I'm pretty sure that the study described the group as females, possibly large subadults at that, with around 9 in total. The orcas numbered 17 and increased to 35 as the hunt continued, and the sperms did not really attempt to defend themselves.
For reference, most other attacks, even on females, end in failure to my knowledge. I actually don't know of any other case where predation was successful. There was a recent one where three juveniles defended themselves effectively and finished the whole thing by literally crapping into the orcas faces.
- The second incident where bulls were attacked happened because they were attempting to prevent the orcas from hunting the vulnerable calves and the females with them.
AFAIK this is one of the only two contexts where orcas go out of their way to attack male sperms, and the latter usually put up adequate defence or even chase the killers away. The other is even rarer, and it happens when the two contest for prey near fishing trawlers. Orcas tend to win by chasing the sperms away if the sperm whales are less aggressive.
I'll finish up by saying that, again, I do think orcas are the most dominant predator currently - even male sperms are pretty wary of them as Cure et al proved.
The main annoyance I have is that they sometimes treated as basically unstoppable to nonhuman predators.
Fair enough regarding the Meg; although we do know enough about them to conclude that they easily fed on orca sized predators, it is indeed pretty hypothetical.
Also I will say, you're the first person I've seen talking of a tonnage increase. What specific estimates have you seen?
Many estimates pre- Megalongdon were absolutely bloated IIRC, often crossing 65 tons on average and 100+ tons at max.
The lengthening and thinning actually seems to have brought it to a more reasonable maximum of 94-100 tons at 24 meters, at least in my experience.
Idk if it’s specifically Asian elephants that are this aggressive but they’re menaces when they go through puberty
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/e...turns-to-her-funeral-to-attack-her-corpse.amp
I read an experts opinion (not a study) years ago that postulated this was the result of a lack of parental figures in young elephants life to keep them from acting out. With poaching and a lack of habitat these guys are going wild. Literal fatherless behavior
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/e...turns-to-her-funeral-to-attack-her-corpse.amp
I read an experts opinion (not a study) years ago that postulated this was the result of a lack of parental figures in young elephants life to keep them from acting out. With poaching and a lack of habitat these guys are going wild. Literal fatherless behavior
This 4 ton kg fat fuck has jaws that can snap even the biggest predators in half, but uses them to eat grass
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
https://scitechdaily.com/bigger-than-we-thought-scientists-reveal-new-megalodon-size-estimates/
You are about as up to date as I am on it then lol, I saw articles about it the other day and I thought it was perhaps newer than it really is.
You are about as up to date as I am on it then lol, I saw articles about it the other day and I thought it was perhaps newer than it really is.
This 4 ton kg fat fuck has jaws that can snap even the biggest predators in half, but uses them to eat grass
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
But it proves they're the more dominant predator when it comes to direct interactions. Hyenas are more coordinated and have better success rates in hunting, but they can literally get bullied off their kills by lions.
https://hyena-project.com/research-topics/conflict-with-lions/
https://hyena-project.com/research-topics/conflict-with-lions/
Ah yeah, no it's been a while, a few months (?) even.
Earliest I'd heard of it was on Reddit.
I wonder what the newer max length is. If it's 24 meters then that seems plausible, the largest sperms get that heavy too.
Back when the GW model was a thing I remember preposterously massive estimates easily rivalling the max right whale estimates.
Still it's Shimada, and his previous estimates have been found faulty for various reasons IIRC....... so, who knows lol.
I wish we had more Livyatan material. Meg and the giant ichthyosaurs are the only real leviathans rn, and the latter especially are waaay to fragmentary.
Earliest I'd heard of it was on Reddit.
I wonder what the newer max length is. If it's 24 meters then that seems plausible, the largest sperms get that heavy too.
Back when the GW model was a thing I remember preposterously massive estimates easily rivalling the max right whale estimates.
Still it's Shimada, and his previous estimates have been found faulty for various reasons IIRC....... so, who knows lol.
I wish we had more Livyatan material. Meg and the giant ichthyosaurs are the only real leviathans rn, and the latter especially are waaay to fragmentary.
This 4 ton kg fat fuck has jaws that can snap even the biggest predators in half, but uses them to eat grass
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
Highest kill rate in the safaris, he doesn't want to eat you, but he kills you because your presence in his personal space is unbearable
Fucking disgusting animal, worthy of Teach @Blackbeard
Those fuck-off huge ichthyosaurs are becoming my favorite prehistoric marine reptile. Haven’t seen a weight estimate on them that’s concrete yet though.
Not too interested in Livyatan. Every time it pops it on online discussion, it always circulates to this idea that they predated on Megalodon. Which doesn’t have any solid backing as far as I’m aware?
Not too interested in Livyatan. Every time it pops it on online discussion, it always circulates to this idea that they predated on Megalodon. Which doesn’t have any solid backing as far as I’m aware?