Character Discussion Loki’s attacks...

Gaban was afraid of Kaido, while Oden was crazy enough to face Kaido and an entire army with just his nine retainers. Gaban would've run away. I mean, he would've done exactly what he did: he never would've gone to Wano in the first place.
Gaban attack would kill 99% of the army if he landed his aoe moves...
Oden had his 9 scabbards, yes he was not weak but because he is in Kaido personal top 5 of people who "FOUGHT" him, doesn´t mean he is over the others.

Gaban is above Oden.
Oden has nothing to be above Gaban.
 

Goofball_Your_Nika

SII - Sakazuki Incinerate Imu
Oh my God, look at Elder running away. I asked him to show Kizaru landing two hits on Luffy after the two had a full fight, and he still can't do it.
Dude, why are you so obsessed with Kaido? He's gone.
Find a new agenda or find a new manga :kata:

Personally, I'd recommend Shangri-La Frontier. It has over 200 chapters and is still ongoing, so it'll take your mind off Wan Piss.
 
Here is Gear 5 (>>> Kaido) exchanging several equal blows with conflicted nerfed Kizaru:


Reminder that bloodlusted hybrid Kaido ~ Gear 2/3 Luffy
The fact Kizaru left the island without any big injurie/scratch after facing G4 + G5(twice) is insane, given he even feed Luffy and was nerfed, didn´t used awakening aswell.

Let be honest, all out Kizaru would defeat Luffy there..
Nerfed Kizaru had better performance against G5 then Kaido had vs G5.

Have in mind Egghead Luffy>Wano Luffy....
Strawhats growing very fast in power...
 
The fact Kizaru left the island without any big injurie/scratch after facing G4 + G5(twice) is insane, given he even feed Luffy and was nerfed, didn´t used awakening aswell.

Let be honest, all out Kizaru would defeat Luffy there..
Nerfed Kizaru had better performance against G5 then Kaido had vs G5.

Have in mind Egghead Luffy>Wano Luffy....
Strawhats growing very fast in power...
Reread chapter 1047
 
Reread chapter 1047
And everything before?
Kaido wasn´t bad in chapter 1047 but he used his strongest moves there, still couldn´t knock out Luffy for once.
This was Kaido with his last remaining power/skills, only Flame Bagua is as example over death bagua...

Meanwhile Kizaru was casual/nerfed without awakening vs Luffy.
It had a reason why the admiral was nerfed in Egghead, Oda know Luffy wouldn´t be able to defeat one yet.
 
And everything before?
Kaido wasn´t bad in chapter 1047 but he used his strongest moves there, still couldn´t knock out Luffy for once.
This was Kaido with his last remaining power/skills, only Flame Bagua is as example over death bagua...

Meanwhile Kizaru was casual/nerfed without awakening vs Luffy.
It had a reason why the admiral was nerfed in Egghead, Oda know Luffy wouldn´t be able to defeat one yet.
Before that Luffy's only real W was the star gun in 1045
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
I don't see him landing any hits yet. Lol
Oh so you meant exclusively attacks that actually strike Luffy at an opening? Trying to distract from the fact that bloodlusted hybrid Kaido = Gear 2 are we? Okay then:

Kizaru sends Snake Man (>> hybrid Kaido) flying off of Egghead with ease:


Kizaru almost cuts Nika’s head off with mere light clones (old Rayleigh level, aka >>> buffed Kaido)


Kizaru casually turns Nika (> buffed Kaido) into a lava lamp:



These are 3 examples of Wizaru humiliating a character stronger than Kaido in his buffed alcohol form.
 



Before 1047, it was a equal battle...
Luffy countered Kaido multiple times in that battle...

Star Gun had Kaido on his knee and clearly got injuried, Kizaru played "injuried" even thought the attack didn´t left a stratch...
As I said Kizaru was nerfed and didn´t fought Luffy all out, unlike Kaido.
Luffy countered Kaido multiple times in that battle...
Star Gun had Kaido on his knee and clearly got injuried, Kizaru played "injuried" even thought the attack didn´t left a stratch...
Kaido was counterattacking Luffy so hard and speed-blitzing him so badly that Luffy couldn't even finish saying the names of his attacks.
Kizaru, however, couldn't do any of that:

  1. He couldn't even land hits on Luffy.
  2. He couldn't dominate Luffy the way Kaido did.
  3. He couldn't damage Luffy the way Kaido did.
 
Oh so you meant exclusively attacks that actually strike Luffy at an opening? Trying to distract from the fact that bloodlusted hybrid Kaido = Gear 2 are we? Okay then:

Kizaru sends Snake Man (>> hybrid Kaido) flying off of Egghead with ease:


Kizaru almost cuts Nika’s head off with mere light clones (old Rayleigh level, aka >>> buffed Kaido)


Kizaru casually turns Nika (> buffed Kaido) into a lava lamp:



These are 3 examples of Wizaru humiliating a character stronger than Kaido in his buffed alcohol form.
I tell the Elder: “Show me Kizaru landing two attacks on Gear 5,” and he posts Kizaru kicking Gear 4. LOL

This guy is getting way too desperate. It's okay if you don't have any feats, bro. That just proves how fucking trash this guy is.
 
Bro, only a brain-dead moron could say Kizaru is stronger than Kaido.

Tired Hybrid Kaido could literally speed-blitz Gear 5. Landing hits on Gear 5 was never a problem for him, and neither was damaging him.

Kizaru not only failed to land a single hit on Gear 5, but he also failed to damage him or dominate him.

So what exactly do we have to compare here between Kaido and Kizaru? Kaido humiliated, overwhelmed, and injured Gear 5. Kizaru? He did absolutely NOTHING to him.

I can casually post panels like these of Kaido beating the shit out of Gear 5:




And where are the panels of Kizaru beating the shit out of Luffy in Gear 5? They don't exist. LMAO
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
I tell the Elder: “Show me Kizaru landing two attacks on Gear 5,” and he posts Kizaru kicking Gear 4. LOL

This guy is getting way too desperate. It's okay if you don't have any feats, bro. That just proves how fucking trash this guy is.
I gave you three feats, including the two Gear 5 feats that you asked for, and you only commented on one of them. Lol

Quite frankly the Snake Man feat is the only feat that we need. Kaido needed alcohol to buff himself up to Snake Man level, and then failed to defeat Gear 4 which Kizaru dealt with very quickly.

Kaido could not push Luffy into Gear 4 without alcohol, meanwhile Kizaru pushed Luffy into Gear 5 after just one attack. Lol
 
I gave you three feats, including the two Gear 5 feats that you asked for, and you only commented on one of them. Lol

Quite frankly the Snake Man feat is the only feat that we need. Kaido needed alcohol to buff himself up to Snake Man level, and then failed to defeat Gear 4 which Kizaru dealt with very quickly.

Kaido could not push Luffy into Gear 4 without alcohol, meanwhile Kizaru pushed Luffy into Gear 5 after just one attack. Lol
Alright, one attack is the paper cut, and the second one? That second attack where Luffy swallowed Kizaru's laser like it was breakfast eggs doesn't count as an attack. That was literally just a walking meme.

Not to mention that attack wasn't even aimed at Luffy in the first place, so Kizaru didn't actually MANAGE TO HIT LUFFY.
 
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