Character Discussion Loki’s attacks...
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I don't need help to clown you in every discussion.
You said some shit about Kizaru's lack of top tier haki feats.
=> I provided a panel when Luffy sensed the presence of a very powerful fighter, hence Luffy felt Kizaru's aura.
You came up with some nonsense like usual, then when I asked you about Mihawk's top tier haki feats, you started coping again lmao.
Besides, Kizaru's barrier haki is even special among top tiers. He took some strong attacks in Egghead Island but he was still freaking fresh after all that shit. Keep in mind, Kizaru wanted to finish the mission, killing Luffy wasn't on his mind. It's the contrast: He fed Luffy. He took a White Star Gun to his head, a stronger attack than the one knocking down Hybrid Kaido, got crushed by Giant Luffy, took a giant hardened pistol, then got turned into a pizza, being thrown far away into a nearby ship. The hits looked severe but the actual damage was just minuscule, nothing impressive. Did Kizaru even have any scratches post fight? I don't think so.
If it turns out all Admirals have ACoC - honestly who even denies it atp? - this discussion is legit done. (Kuzan showed ACoC against Garp)
You said some shit about Kizaru's lack of top tier haki feats.
=> I provided a panel when Luffy sensed the presence of a very powerful fighter, hence Luffy felt Kizaru's aura.
You came up with some nonsense like usual, then when I asked you about Mihawk's top tier haki feats, you started coping again lmao.
Besides, Kizaru's barrier haki is even special among top tiers. He took some strong attacks in Egghead Island but he was still freaking fresh after all that shit. Keep in mind, Kizaru wanted to finish the mission, killing Luffy wasn't on his mind. It's the contrast: He fed Luffy. He took a White Star Gun to his head, a stronger attack than the one knocking down Hybrid Kaido, got crushed by Giant Luffy, took a giant hardened pistol, then got turned into a pizza, being thrown far away into a nearby ship. The hits looked severe but the actual damage was just minuscule, nothing impressive. Did Kizaru even have any scratches post fight? I don't think so.
If it turns out all Admirals have ACoC - honestly who even denies it atp? - this discussion is legit done. (Kuzan showed ACoC against Garp)
How far is this crying going to go?
“Kaidou was drunk.”
Then it’s going to be: “Kaidou was using Haki.” But, but, Kaidou was using a Devil Fruit. But, but, Kaidou was using a kanabo. But, but, but, Kaidou was using his own powers and his own techniques, and you guys are simply crying about it. This is unbelievable.
And honestly, after 1042, there isn’t a single indication that Kaidou was drunk.
Not necessarily, because Kaidou likes to play with his food. Oda just wanted to showcase Kaidou’s drunken fighting styles against Gear 4, so he had Kaidou wipe the floor with Luffy using each of them.
“Kaidou was drunk.”
Then it’s going to be: “Kaidou was using Haki.” But, but, Kaidou was using a Devil Fruit. But, but, Kaidou was using a kanabo. But, but, but, Kaidou was using his own powers and his own techniques, and you guys are simply crying about it. This is unbelievable.
And honestly, after 1042, there isn’t a single indication that Kaidou was drunk.
Not necessarily, because Kaidou likes to play with his food. Oda just wanted to showcase Kaidou’s drunken fighting styles against Gear 4, so he had Kaidou wipe the floor with Luffy using each of them.
Blud said this with a straight face, what happened to shame ?
The gap between Kizaru and Luffy was so huge that even with Saturn helping him, Kizaru still couldn’t dominate Luffy the way Kaidou did.
Kaido was drunk when he got beaten by Snake Man and needed FS to handle its speed...
He needed his drunken style to "overpower" G2/G3.
He needed his berserker mode in drunken style to match Bound Man's Over Kong Gun.
...But now you claim he magically went sober when he fought the mode which is stronger than the previous ones? Bro, you're coping. Don't be like Fenaker.
I'm just saying Kaido was at his strongest when he fought G5. Without his drunken mode, he wouldn't even sniffle G5's powerlevel. Please get real.
He needed his drunken style to "overpower" G2/G3.
He needed his berserker mode in drunken style to match Bound Man's Over Kong Gun.
...But now you claim he magically went sober when he fought the mode which is stronger than the previous ones? Bro, you're coping. Don't be like Fenaker.
I'm just saying Kaido was at his strongest when he fought G5. Without his drunken mode, he wouldn't even sniffle G5's powerlevel. Please get real.
He only needed to because he got distracted and lost his focus while having a flashback... If he had stayed focused instead of thinking about Big Mom and the past, could the story have played out differently? We saw him react to and block an attack from Snakeman without using Future Sight or Drunken Mode.
To play around with him and have fun, yes.
He would have won the fight regardless of whether he was drunk or not, or whether he attacked or not. Luffy only had one more attack left. It was just a matter of Kaidou enduring it, but he chose to kill Luffy rather than win by “running out the clock.”
And it’s debatable whether Kaidou actually needed to be drunk in the first place. After all, like I said, there is no visual indication after 1042 that Kaidou CONTINUED to be drunk. He could very well have used something like Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua without needing to be drunk. Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua is even more proof that he was still holding back, and he still had Flame Dragon Torch. So he had other ways of winning without needing to rely on his drunken modes.
I’m not the one being unrealistic here. Even if I assume Kaidou remained drunk after 1042, his performance against Luffy’s G2/G3, Snakeman, and Gear 4 is completely incomparable to his performance against Gear 5.
On one hand, it’s undeniable that the same Kaidou performed better against Gear 5, while G2 and G3 almost look better, or at least seem to give Kaidou more trouble. But that is simply because Kaidou’s MENTALITY changed. He stopped playing with his food, just like Big Mom said. The manga gives us a very explicit explanation for this.
That’s why he can play around with G2/G3 and later destroy Gear 5 without needing any change at all.
Unless you’re somehow arguing that G2 and G3 > Gear 5.
The most obvious answer here is that Drunk Kaidou can vary his power anywhere from G2 and G3, Snakeman and G4 level to actually surpassing Gear 5 in combat, without needing any kind of POWER-UP to do so. That’s a completely acceptable interpretation, isn’t it?
To play around with him and have fun, yes.
He would have won the fight regardless of whether he was drunk or not, or whether he attacked or not. Luffy only had one more attack left. It was just a matter of Kaidou enduring it, but he chose to kill Luffy rather than win by “running out the clock.”
And it’s debatable whether Kaidou actually needed to be drunk in the first place. After all, like I said, there is no visual indication after 1042 that Kaidou CONTINUED to be drunk. He could very well have used something like Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua without needing to be drunk. Death Destroyer Thunder Bagua is even more proof that he was still holding back, and he still had Flame Dragon Torch. So he had other ways of winning without needing to rely on his drunken modes.
I’m not the one being unrealistic here. Even if I assume Kaidou remained drunk after 1042, his performance against Luffy’s G2/G3, Snakeman, and Gear 4 is completely incomparable to his performance against Gear 5.
On one hand, it’s undeniable that the same Kaidou performed better against Gear 5, while G2 and G3 almost look better, or at least seem to give Kaidou more trouble. But that is simply because Kaidou’s MENTALITY changed. He stopped playing with his food, just like Big Mom said. The manga gives us a very explicit explanation for this.
That’s why he can play around with G2/G3 and later destroy Gear 5 without needing any change at all.
Unless you’re somehow arguing that G2 and G3 > Gear 5.
The most obvious answer here is that Drunk Kaidou can vary his power anywhere from G2 and G3, Snakeman and G4 level to actually surpassing Gear 5 in combat, without needing any kind of POWER-UP to do so. That’s a completely acceptable interpretation, isn’t it?
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imu's no name attack did more to g5 luffy blocking vs kaido's second strongest attack that luffy immediately had a counter attack for
crydo got powercrept hard
crydo got powercrept hard
When Imu manages to break through Gear 5’s base defense, then we can talk.
Waiting for Gear 5’s time limit to run out is nothing new. Even Lucci did that. The important thing is actually dominating Gear 5 in combat, which is something Kizaru failed to do. Luffy humiliated him even with Saturn helping him.
Warcury had his fangs broken and took damage from a rusty old tin can who didn’t even know how to use Haki.
Warcury had his fangs broken and took damage from a rusty old tin can who didn’t even know how to use Haki.
I honestly agree that luffy is a literal sponge in G5 to the extant that minor armament haki blunt force damage cant actually fully damage him.
The problem is that people dont want to admit that unironically he is Spongebob in terms of durability now (funny how therea a mcdonalds OP x Spongebob collab that has Spongey-boy dressed as Luffy.)
The problem is that people dont want to admit that unironically he is Spongebob in terms of durability now (funny how therea a mcdonalds OP x Spongebob collab that has Spongey-boy dressed as Luffy.)