Speculations Loki and Kid = Rocks WB and Shiki

#1
Teach is son of Xebec. Xebec had one of the greatest pirate crews ever, being captain of guys like WB, Shiki, and BM who rivaled Roger.

Bar Kuzan, the current BBP is shit. Shiryu and Pizarro are bums and might not even fight SHs, instead being beaten by RHP. Zoro and Sanji are all but guaranteed to leave wano stronger than either of them.

I think it’s very clear Oda is setting up Loki and Kid as the WB/Shiki of the BBP. Both hate Shanks, which would naturally make them Teach’s allies. Loki in particular even wanted to be a Rocks pirate.

Loki might genuinely be comparable in strength to Luffy, as WB was to Roger. He was a monster from birth, replicating Kaido’s feat as a literal baby. He seemingly has ACoC. And he has a legendary DF, all of which led him to claim to be the Sun God. He also seems like he will ultimately end the series on good terms with Luffy.

Given how Loki was unloved as a child, maybe he ultimately becomes a father pirate like WB was.

Kid is literally worst gen shiki. A great pirate who ultimately jobbed hard and got kicked out of the race. Similarly an amputee. Similarly has telekinetic powers. Similarly an asshole. Not much to say here.

Luffy has good relations with both of them, as well as Kuzan. This is because Teach will face a similar fate to his father. His crew will betray him in the end. But not before we get a confrontation between them, the SHs, and the RHP.
 
#4
loki will defeat gunkoimu and become leader of the giants. he won't join any pirate crew.

kid and whitebeard and similar upbringing. whitebeard worked with rocks but didn't consider him his boss. kid will also not truly subordinate himself.
 
#5
Teach is son of Xebec. Xebec had one of the greatest pirate crews ever, being captain of guys like WB, Shiki, and BM who rivaled Roger.

Bar Kuzan, the current BBP is shit. Shiryu and Pizarro are bums and might not even fight SHs, instead being beaten by RHP. Zoro and Sanji are all but guaranteed to leave wano stronger than either of them.

I think it’s very clear Oda is setting up Loki and Kid as the WB/Shiki of the BBP. Both hate Shanks, which would naturally make them Teach’s allies. Loki in particular even wanted to be a Rocks pirate.
No, they're not shit. They beat the WBP in a war, and have raided WCI, kidnapped Garp, and done much more. More is to come. Blackbeards top subordinates will not be weaker then Zoro and Sanji

Loki is quite literally not similar to Whitebeard. Just not even close. Shiki also never "jobbed"
 

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#6
No, the Titanic Captains we got pre-skip, that murdered Whitebeard, are here to stay and be Teach’s main forces. The point of the Blackbeard’s is that they are rising with the Strawhats. Neither are the finished article yet.

I don’t especially like bounty scaling, but it is clear that we won’t see the prime Blackbeard Pirates until Blackbeard’s bounty is at least above Kaido’s. Oda giving him a post-Wano bounty below the OG Yonko and Roger was him spelling out that Blackbeard is not there yet. The difference in performance between him and Shanks against Law and Kid spelt that out even more.

Blackbeard is in the same position as his crew, and his crew will go up in lockstep with him.
 
#7
i don't see loki joins blackbeard, but kid could becoming a ally
Blackbeard will need other powerful guys, at least one who will be admiral level like kuzan.
 
#9
Isn't Loki more like Kaido. :kayneshrug:
Loki seems to be set up for a redemption arc. Kaido was just pure evil.

EoS Loki following in WB’s footsteps and taking in all the lost boys of the sea would make a lot of sense
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Can't see how Loki ends up working for BB. Loki is clearly being set up to lead be redeemed and maybe lead/be a protector of Elbaf alongside Harjudin.
He is. But Loki also has a dark side. He’s not a 100% good character.

he terrorized elbaf and Shanks himself took him out. Shanks doesn’t go after good guys.
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No, the Titanic Captains we got pre-skip, that murdered Whitebeard, are here to stay and be Teach’s main forces. The point of the Blackbeard’s is that they are rising with the Strawhats. Neither are the finished article yet.

I don’t especially like bounty scaling, but it is clear that we won’t see the prime Blackbeard Pirates until Blackbeard’s bounty is at least above Kaido’s. Oda giving him a post-Wano bounty below the OG Yonko and Roger was him spelling out that Blackbeard is not there yet. The difference in performance between him and Shanks against Law and Kid spelt that out even more.

Blackbeard is in the same position as his crew, and his crew will go up in lockstep with him.
No, they're not shit. They beat the WBP in a war, and have raided WCI, kidnapped Garp, and done much more. More is to come. Blackbeards top subordinates will not be weaker then Zoro and Sanji

Loki is quite literally not similar to Whitebeard. Just not even close. Shiki also never "jobbed"
WB and Shiki were major rivals of Roger. BM was a minor rival of Roger’s, but Roger still respected her power.

Bar Kuzan, no other BBP can rival Luffy in any capacity. Pizarro is a literal Koby victim and Shiryu is a sneak merchant.

It’s much more likely that Teach gets new top tier commanders who share a common enemy, than the bumbeards magically becoming the new whitebeard or shiki.
 
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#13
Kid is like Moria and Crocodile. They all tried to take on the big names of the New World and lost. Crocodile lost to Whitebeard, Moria to Kaido, and Kid to Shanks.

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Where is Kid?
 
#14
Where is Sanji?

Kid isn’t a main player in the race for OP. But it makes no sense for Oda to pump and dump a character. Him coming back as a BBP ally makes sense. Even Don Krieg got that.
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Bro keeps having ridiculous expectations from Kidd... :shame:
It makes more sense than pretending Shiryu somehow surpasses the Rocks commanders
 
#17
How much longer until this fandom accepts Kid is fish food?
By Oda’s own logic this is a bad take
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I'd be more willing to bet that Law is the new Whitebeard tbh. And I don't think Loki or Kidd will join any crews (though Loki might ally himself with the Straw Hats)
Eh

Loki idolized Rocks even after the guy beat him up. And he hates Shanks.

They might ally this arc. But he’s not in Luffy’s pocket like Hajrudin is.
 
#18
By Oda’s own logic this is a bad take
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Eh

Loki idolized Rocks even after the guy beat him up. And he hates Shanks.

They might ally this arc. But he’s not in Luffy’s pocket like Hajrudin is.
I want you to put your thinking cap on and realize what the big difference between Luffy and Kid is.
 
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