General & Others Long Time One Piece Readers: Has the One Piece fandom ever been this much in shambles?

[Indigo]

I'm not talking about the story being the worst / most controversial ever, because i'm pretty sure it was even worse during Fishman Island / Dressrosa / Whole Cake, and i wasn't even there.

I'm sure there was a lot of discussions about the quality of the story, powerscaling and etc...

But what i want to know is this, has there ever been this much hate from the fandom itself?

What i mean is that for the past few years, half the shit we see on youtube / twitter / reddit / worstgen is about the fandom attacking the fandom.

Narrative "critics" vs Oda's "simps".

Story "purists" vs Powerscalers.

The community having hate fights over Yamato being a he or a she.

I feel like there's so much rage / hate in the One Piece community right now, that it's not even directed at the story anymore, but among the fans.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

people like to argue , the whole point of a forum is just so people can argue , nothing wierd about that , arguing your point is fun

 

[Roo]

nah because before there was naruto and bleach taking a lot of shit from the anime/manga community

One Piece is now the undisputed #1 and that will gather a lot more expectations

 

[Necrohol]

Oda has been pulling a lot of infuriating shit. It gets worse with every arc.

1 - 40% of every chapter is either Tama or people running.
2 - Many fights we want to see are partially or almost totally offscreened. But Fukurokuju? Nobody gives a fuck about him, but he had more screen time than Jack.
3 - Too many plot conveniences.
4 - Tough enemies being cheapened by PIS.
5 - Most SHs barely even do anything anymore. I love them all. I wanna see them. Zoro and Luffy are always cool. Sanji gets humiliated every arc and the others barely appear.
6 - "I'm Oden". I LOVE Yamato, but even I hate this.

Shit keeps piling up. People get mad. I LOVE One Piece. It's just that Oda and One Piece are so good that these things are unexpected and annoying. If OP were worse since the beginning, I'd be less mad.

 

[Pooth]

Whole Cake Island was the Denial stage. Wano is the Anger stage.

 

[Indigo]

Whole Cake Island was the Denial stage. Wano is the Anger stage.

That's actually a good perspective

There was still during Act 1

 

[Sam]

I think so because I don't remember having this many people of One Piece readers hating on an arc. Dressrosa had very little criticism other than it is "too long". It was during WCI were more and more were starting to complain and now in Wano it has manifested into a large sector of the readers.

About fandom attacking the fandom. I think that is the Oda's simps attacking the narrative critics. Narrative critics say something bad about the story and the Oda simps take it personally and then they start to insult the critics.

 

[Pooth]

I do not have a high iq bit i do not need a high iq to see one piece being set up to only leech profit.

The expectations for the new world were set by don chinjao. The ones with the stronger will win.

One piece fights have been mostly that. the one with the stronger will won. Big mom who allegedly amd evidently has a strong will gets beat by a hand toy. This is peak we are just drawing to suck your money buy our toy.

Luffy gets his kidney stabbed does not even have a scar or anything.

I can go on and on but yeah this is the most simplistic explanation i can give for now.

 

[Peroroncino]

nah because before there was naruto and bleach taking a lot of shit from the anime/manga community

One Piece is now the undisputed #1 and that will gather a lot more expectations

what he said

 

[dirtyLarry]

I'll try to answer it as honest as I can (I've been reading OP weekly since the post-war arc in 2010).

Back then there were of course complaints and also some heated discussions on APforums, mangahelpers or later on OroJackson.

What I think has changed is the overall attitude most people have and this has a lot to do with - "boomer take" - younger fans getting into OP and fans coming over from Naruto/Bleach.

Now, before you start attacking me, I'm not blaming the younger generation. The problem are the surroundings they grew up with, especially social media.

Whereas you had to have a forum account back in the day and were strictly moderated if you blurted out some shit or acted toxic, young guys these guys simply have to go on Twitter and troll or insult others without any kind of backlash.

Now this might still only be a small part of (younger) fans - and some older fans do that shit, too - but as always a very loud, toxic minority can poison an entire fandom.

So the difference is that people don't really talk about the manga this much anymore, they just try to attack and mock the opposing "fandoms" within OP. It has become a lot more black and white and aggressive (like it is with all topics in real life, too).

 

[Midnight Delight]

Dressrossa generated far more hate. Anyone who says otherwise is probably underage

 

[Reborn]

Not at all

One factor which play crucial role in disappointment and hatred is the trolling a fandom receive from other fandoms.


For example, BM didn't live upto hype. Obviously, BM fans didn't like it much but their hatred increased because other fandoms mocked BM, trolled BM in all threads since WCI which fueled the disappointment.



I enjoyed OP more before joining any OP forum. Since I joined OJ and worstgen my enjoyment has consistently decreased in OP.

One can argue its because of decrease in quality but it's hard to ignore other aspects because we get only 3 chapters/month but engage in discussions always.

 

[Sam]

I'll try to answer it as honest as I can (I've been reading OP weekly since the post-war arc in 2010).

Back then there were of course complaints and also some heated discussions on APforums, mangahelpers or later on OroJackson.

What I think has changed is the overall attitude most people have and this has a lot to do with - "boomer take" - younger fans getting into OP and fans coming over from Naruto/Bleach.

Now, before you start attacking me, I'm not blaming the younger generation. The problem are the surroundings they grew up with, especially social media.

Whereas you had to have a forum account back in the day and were strictly moderated if you blurted out some shit or acted toxic, young guys these guys simply have to go on Twitter and troll or insult others without any kind of backlash.

Now this might still only be a small part of (younger) fans - and some older fans do that shit, too - but as always a very loud, toxic minority can poison an entire fandom.

So the difference is that people don't really talk about the manga this much anymore, they just try to attack and mock the opposing "fandoms" within OP. It has become a lot more black and white and aggressive (like it is with all topics in real life, too).

I don't agree with this. I was on APforums, reddit and mangahelpers back in the day and I rarely ever saw any criticism towards One Piece but there were a lot of people criticizing Naruto, Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul, Magi, Seven deadly sins, Fiary Tail etc. Those were the top mangas back in the days but rarely anyone criticized Oda. So why was it that they criticized other mangas but not One Piece when the younger generation "boomer take" wasn't even around yet?

Hate in a manga has always been there even before the younger generation. People are now hating on One Piece more and more because it has gotten that bad not because of the younger generation of the Naruto fanbase switching over.

 

[IsaziSempi]

I mean during thrillerbark people were just hoping to see fishman Island. Their were crazy fan theories and people didn't really get it yet. Like people were still hoping for Usopp to be badass and get a gun.

 

[Weeman]

You should've seen Orojackson while Dressrosa was still going on. Just as much people doomposting about how the story is trash and how Oda is washed up as there is now.
It's par for the course for really long arcs, but now Wano is even longer.

 

[Sam]

You should've seen Orojackson while Dressrosa was still going on. Just as much people doomposting about how the story is trash and how Oda is washed up as there is now.
It's par for the course for really long arcs, but now Wano is even longer.

I was never on Orojackson but every other discussion forum did not have the same hate to Wano as they did to Dressrosa. A lot of the complaints about Dressrosa back then was that it was too long and Oda focused too much on tontatta and Rebecca but way more people were saying positive things than negative.

 

[Flower]

I've been reading since 2008 and pretty much never been like that except for when Ace was killed lol.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I've been on a number of OP talk forums since 2002 and still look around even though I don't bother to create accounts. This is actually the only place I encounter these particular flavors of whiny bullshit, although the problems that are scrutinized are acknowledged in general.

 

[Weeman]

I was never on Orojackson but every other discussion forum did not have the same hate to Wano as they did to Dressrosa. A lot of the complaints about Dressrosa back then was that it was too long and Oda focused too much on tontatta but way more people were saying positive things than negative.

Nah on Orojackson at least people were complaining about how the gladiators got so much fight chapters, how the last part of Luffy vs Doflamingo was dragged out, the usual Zoro centric debates around why they couldn't just cut the birdcage, Rebecca being deemed the worst character and just a lot of vitriol.

A person reading it now in one sitting will probably have their own issues and criticisms but still walk away with a positive experience overall, but if you had taken parts of the fandom at face value back then you would've thought they were actively suffering while reading the arc.

 

[Sam]

Nah on Orojackson at least people were complaining about how the gladiators got so much fight chapters, how the last part of Luffy vs Doflamingo was dragged out, the usual Zoro centric debates around why they couldn't just cut the birdcage, Rebecca being deemed the worst character and just a lot of vitriol.

A person reading it now in one sitting will probably have their own issues and criticisms but still walk away with a positive experience overall, but if you had taken parts of the fandom at face value back then you would've thought they were actively suffering while reading the arc.

yes people were complaining about Rececca, Gladitors etc but no one was saying how awful the main villian Doflamingo was in the story like how Kaido or Big Mom is now, or how Law's backstory was "forced" like how Oden backstory was, or how there are ass pull power ups, or how the main characters of Dressrosa outside of the strawhats like Law, bartolomeo, Cavendish, Sabo, Fuji, etc were awful like how the scabbards are now. The fandom now is hating everything about Wano unlike in Dressrosa where they were hating just certain things but overall they still thought Dressrosa was either an average or good arc but in Wano you see people openly saying they are going to drop One Piece. That never happened in Dressrosa where people were complaining so much that they said they will drop one piece.