Powers & Abilities Luffy almost hurt Kaido with a no Haki Red Hawk....

[5000 ng/dl or death]

Wrong, it is because of Luffy's rubber properties that Red Hawk possible. Stretching rubber generates heat as rubber is essentially just a long chain of molecules that are all jumbled up and disordered; stretching makes it ordered, ie crystallised, and that generates heat. He channels the heat to his fist (hence, firefist!) and he channels all the haki there to withstand the contracting force generated due to the fact that heat makes rubber contract; rubber doesn’t want to be ordered, it wants entropy.

Hence, Red Hawk is a haki based attack that both has haki, boosted ap (contraction force) and fire

 

[Gensui Sazid]

As far as I know you dont need hardening to use internal destruction haki.

tbh haki shading is very inconsistent
the whole haki system is day by day turning into a bigger mess

 

[RYNO]

I like library of ohara idea that luffy was messing with kaido to make him focus only on luffy ,so his goal wasnt to hurt kaido.

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Wrong, it is because of Luffy's rubber properties that Red Hawk possible. Stretching rubber generates heat as rubber is essentially just a long chain of molecules that are all jumbled up and disordered; stretching makes it ordered, ie crystallised, and that generates heat. He channels the heat to his fist (hence, firefist!) and he channels all the haki there to withstand the contracting force generated due to the fact that heat makes rubber contract; rubber doesn’t want to be ordered, it wants entropy.

Hence, Red Hawk is a haki based attack that both has haki, boosted ap (contraction force) and fire

if you goner use real life logic to explain red hawk you cant ignore the zou size elephent in the room the first time luffy red hawk was 10,000 meters under the sea.

 

[Lightbolt]

Red hawk needs haki. Plus seeing how Oda is showing time and time that black hardening doesn't actually need to always show for haki to be used. A haki less red hawk wouldn't have made Kaido dodge it cause it will hurt

 

[kom5]

Prob a drawing mistake volume will correct this

 

[Extravlad]

This panel proves that Sakazuki oneshots Kaido with Meigou to the face

 

[vikas]

We were shown only the ID haki works on Kaido, we had excuse for zoro since swordsman use similar/same haki. But oda knows he can't keep the fight "interesting" with that limitation.

 

[Finalbeta]

This panel proves that Sakazuki oneshots Kaido with Meigou to the face

Well if not had it landed and Kaido not sustained some damage it would have proven appalling writing despite he's probably starting to dodge attacks he would not dodge in the past due less underestimating the SHs after Zoro and the others probably pushed him to unleash his Hybrid mode.

 

[WesMidnight]

He has his version of barrier armament enveloping that G2, the same one he has in Red Roc, different from his G4 against Kaidou all this time. Luffy goofing up in combat against Kaidou, snickering and kiddie-taunting the WSC is the assurement. He is literally playing around even after watching that Hakai and Kaidou has to resort to hitting his nuts just to wipe that snicker lolol. Luffy's just ready to go.

Luffy's G4 barrage humiliated Kaido and did internal damage (as Kidd suggested) to the point that coughing up Luffy after trying to swallow him was enough to cough up blood. It made him get serious and go Hybrid, still covered in bruises.

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We were shown only the ID haki works on Kaido, we had excuse for zoro since swordsman use similar/same haki. But oda knows he can't keep the fight "interesting" with that limitation.

No. Luffy only felt he needed to learn what Hyo showed against alpacaman i.e. BARRIER HAKI to overcome SCALE DEFENSE. Reread those chapters.
Internal destruction was Luffy going beyond the initial mission brief of the training.

 

[Bogard]

I think it's more like Kaido is starting to weaken

1- Big Mom was shocked by the amount of damage Kaido Luffy's kong gatling was giving to Kaido, to the point that she was worried if he was actually defeated(Kaido ??)

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Then after eating Zoro's tatsumaki, he decided to go hybrid

2- When we came back to the hybrid Kaido and Big Mom vs Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law and Killer, Luffy was stating attacks were definitely working

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3- Kaido decides to dodge a regular red hawk attack with the implication from Luffy that he did so because it was going to hurt him

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And Kaido is the type who loves to take hits, so the only way he could have decided to change his entire fighting mindset is if he realized he is starting to weaken and thus can't keep on purposely taking their attacks

Possible then, that at some point of the battle, we'd see the cumulative damage he took thus far, playing a role at one point(hence Luffy's emphasis on the fact that attacks are definitely working), in a similar way to how it did with Lucci in Enies Lobby

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[Chrono]

I think it's more like Kaido is starting to weaken

1- Big Mom was shocked by the amount of damage Kaido Luffy's kong gatling was giving to Kaido, to the point that she was worried if he was actually defeated(Kaido ??)

Spoiler

Then after eating Zoro's tatsumaki, he decided to go hybrid

2- When we came back to the hybrid Kaido and Big Mom vs Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law and Killer, Luffy was stating attacks were definitely working

Spoiler

3- Kaido decides to dodge a regular red hawk attack with the implication from Luffy that he did so because it was going to hurt him

Spoiler

And Kaido is the type who loves to take hits, so the only way he could have decided to change his entire fighting mindset is if he realized he is starting to weaken and thus can't keep on purposely taking their attacks

Possible then, that at some point of the battle, we'd see the cumulative damage he took thus far, playing a role at one point(hence Luffy's emphasis on the fact that attacks are definitely working), in a similar way to how it did with Lucci in Enies Lobby

Spoiler

Such bad writing from Oda.....

 

[Sentinel]

Wrong, it is because of Luffy's rubber properties that Red Hawk possible. Stretching rubber generates heat as rubber is essentially just a long chain of molecules that are all jumbled up and disordered; stretching makes it ordered, ie crystallised, and that generates heat. He channels the heat to his fist (hence, firefist!) and he channels all the haki there to withstand the contracting force generated due to the fact that heat makes rubber contract; rubber doesn’t want to be ordered, it wants entropy.

Mate, if that's the reason why can Luffy add fire on his G3 as well? It sure ain't stretching fast enough to cause fire lol.

 

[MarineHQ]

I think it's more like Kaido is starting to weaken

1- Big Mom was shocked by the amount of damage Kaido Luffy's kong gatling was giving to Kaido, to the point that she was worried if he was actually defeated(Kaido ??)

Spoiler

Then after eating Zoro's tatsumaki, he decided to go hybrid

2- When we came back to the hybrid Kaido and Big Mom vs Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law and Killer, Luffy was stating attacks were definitely working

Spoiler

3- Kaido decides to dodge a regular red hawk attack with the implication from Luffy that he did so because it was going to hurt him

Spoiler

And Kaido is the type who loves to take hits, so the only way he could have decided to change his entire fighting mindset is if he realized he is starting to weaken and thus can't keep on purposely taking their attacks

Possible then, that at some point of the battle, we'd see the cumulative damage he took thus far, playing a role at one point(hence Luffy's emphasis on the fact that attacks are definitely working), in a similar way to how it did with Lucci in Enies Lobby

Spoiler

I agree. I think there'll be a moment where Kaido might be close to killing someone, but then the damage kicks in and stops him.

Generally this shows how broken Snakeman could be against Kaido now that we know how even G2 attacks can hurt him. Imagine if Luffy rains down those Snakeman attacks with Adv CoA infused.

Hopefully Snakeman won't just be a spin off form Oda came up with because it was convenient against Kata.

 

[Sentinel]

I agree. I think there'll be a moment where Kaido might be close to killing someone, but then the damage kicks in and stops him.

Generally this shows how broken Snakeman could be against Kaido now that we know how even G2 attacks can hurt him. Imagine if Luffy rains down those Snakeman attacks with Adv CoA infused.

Hopefully Snakeman won't just be a spin off form Oda came up with because it was convenient against Kata.

That's an interesting thought.

But if there is the issue that Luffy cannot really use internal destruction haki in G4th, doesn't this apply to Snake Man as well?
I think Luffy has to master Ryuo first before he switches between his G4th forms imo.

 

[MarineHQ]

That's an interesting thought.

But if there is the issue that Luffy cannot really use internal destruction haki in G4th, doesn't this apply to Snake Man as well?
I think Luffy has to master Ryuo first before he switches between his G4th forms imo.

I always assumed that all of Luffy's attacks since 1000 are Adv CoA infused though?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

He not using internal destruction just barrier haki every time Luffy uses ID he wont touch

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

Mate, if that's the reason why can Luffy add fire on his G3 as well? It sure ain't stretching fast enough to cause fire lol.

Red Roc is just red hawk with G3 slapped on as a finishing touch. Red Hawk isn't that slow of a move and Kaido seemed to just stand there eager to see if Luffy had improved anything since last tíme, so Luffy prolly would've had time to execute the attack in full. I mean scabbards have elemental attacks that's ryou based, now throw ryou in there and there you go I guess red hawk + ryou + added hardness wih g3

 

[uyuu]

Luffy's G4 barrage humiliated Kaido and did internal damage (as Kidd suggested) to the point that coughing up Luffy after trying to swallow him was enough to cough up blood. It made him get serious and go Hybrid, still covered in bruises.

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Did Kidd suggest internal damage though? If i remember correctly Kidd just said "it would be nice if it actually cause damage" suggesting that G4 isnt effective damage-wise? Can you post the panels of hybrid-Kaidou covered in bruises btw? Since i may missed it

 

[WesMidnight]

Did Kidd suggest internal damage though? If i remember correctly Kidd just said "it would be nice if it actually cause damage" suggesting that G4 isnt effective damage-wise? Can you post the panels of hybrid-Kaidou covered in bruises btw? Since i may missed it

The phrasing around Kid asking around the drawback was more like rationalizing the downside than shitting on the technique, to rationalize it, it would have done some damage. It did damage, Luffy has been confident that he is doing damage throughout this raid, it kept Kaido down for several pages.

It's the double page spread at the end of 1008 where he is looking at Luffy's eyes, can see bruise marks near his horn and below his mouth. If you go back to chapter 1003 you will see the punches on his head correlate well with these bruises.

 

[Finalbeta]

He not using internal destruction just barrier haki every time Luffy uses ID he wont touch

Barrier haki also doesn't necessarily apply friction.