Speculations Luffy and Zoro vs Kaido?

Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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Ice devil slayer said:
Not everything he said is true but he was right about Sanji baking a cake and he's of often right when it comes to this kind of things so who knows
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Well, i know he's very well informative. I'm just saying that those details are speculative and he's got no access to it.
It's a deduction from his own analysis which I respect, but you should take it as speculation from an analysis expert nothing more. Which can be right or wrong at the end of day.

Poetic ending would have had:
- Law or Rebecca ending Mingo
- Nami ending Arlong
- vivi having hands in Crocodile's demise
- Wiper finishing Enel
and many others.

Sure, it's poetic to have Momo do something with Kaido, but to ignore even the likes of Law or Wiper who were VERY strong and had the means to hurt both of Doffy and Enel during their arcs, and now Oda decides to give it to a child!???? Momo? nevertheless against a Yonko???

If that's not bad, then I don't know what it is. Poetic is nice when the person is capable of delivering, yet Oda ignored poetic with Law and Wiper who had every means to pull a win, now he'll do it with a powerless 8 years old kid????
I mean, kill me if that happens
 
Ice devil slayer

Ice devil slayer

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Sadistic Senpai said:
Well, i know he's very well informative. I'm just saying that those details are speculative and he's got no access to it.
It's a deduction from his own analysis which I respect, but you should take it as speculation from an analysis expert nothing more. Which can be right or wrong at the end of day.

Poetic ending would have had:
- Law or Rebecca ending Mingo
- Nami ending Arlong
- vivi having hands in Crocodile's demise
- Wiper finishing Enel
and many others.

Sure, it's poetic to have Momo do something with Kaido, but to ignore even the likes of Law or Wiper who were VERY strong and had the means to hurt both of Doffy and Enel during their arcs, and now Oda decides to give it to a child!???? Momo? nevertheless against a Yonko???

If that's not bad, then I don't know what it is. Poetic is nice when the person is capable of delivering, yet Oda ignored poetic with Law and Wiper who had every means to pull a win, now he'll do it with a powerless 8 years old kid????
I mean, kill me if that happens
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I agree momo hurting/killing Kaido would be pretty bad..he might have a part in this fight but Luffy will be the one to deliver the final blow..with Zoro helping him before that
 
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yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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Sadistic Senpai said:
It's speculative at this point, nothing else.

He already had a different outcome for whole cake island where Big Mom is down, cause he felt the payoff from WCI is weak.

As for Zoro, I honestly do think that the two main fights will be:

1- Kaido vs Luffy and Zoro
2- Big Mom vs Kidd and Law

I think that'll be Oda's way to give Kidd the same importance and shine as Luffy, cause if Luffy and Kidd teamed up on one opponent, that will be THE END for Kid's rivalry with Luffy, since we all know the one finishing the job will be Luffy. and you would be ignorant if you thought it will be otherwise.

Luffy will always be the one delivering finishing blow against main arc opponent.

Also, So separating Luffy and Kidd is better by giving both an equal amount of feats by beating equal opponents (Kaido/Big Mom)

I do not want more than two characters as a team. More than two would be bad for me. Not because I underestimate Kaido or overvalue Luffy. But because I already witnessed team fights in One Piece and I never enjoyed it when it was more than 2 as tag team.

Against Oars (meh)
Against first Pacifista (meh)

Tag team from two is as much as I'm willing to go. Nore than that, there will be LOTS of jokes between the individual participating, lots of running and compensating one lack of power by someone else interference, like hell even Cracker or Doffy or Katakuri when Luffy needed 10 min break from gear 4th would feel more threatening than with Kaido where other characters would step in allowing Luffy to recover easily, where the hell is the threatening factor?

I do not mind a big team from 5 or 10 if Kaido ends up wiping the floor with all like how Enel wiped the floor with Wiper,Zoro,Robin and Ganfall

But being defeated by a gang, not only does it have poor taste as a fight since I never enjoyed it, but also it does have a poor taste on the idea that the "good guys ganged up like wolves on the bad guy"

It just doesn't feel like a good payoff (for me at least)
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I think that Kid will be used more against Big Mom, he failed against her for some reason but now she is indeed without all her crew, basically just 1 ships
 
BossYimz

BossYimz

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Ice devil slayer said:
I agree momo hurting/killing Kaido would be pretty bad..he might have a part in this fight but Luffy will be the to deliver the final blow..with Zoro helping him before that
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ZoroIsOverrated said:
If fucking momo delivers the final blow to Kaido or even manages to damage him I’m dropping One piece
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Momo is also a dragon. Dragons can injure other dragons. So if Oda does it right, there is a plausible and logical explanation for Momo a dragon bring able to damage Kaido another dragon

Anyway, personally if done correctly, I wouldn't mind if Momo gets a shot at Kaido. He is ultimately the leader of the entire alliance. Luffy and co are helping him out
 
Ice devil slayer

Ice devil slayer

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BossYimz said:
Momo is also a dragon. Dragons can injure other dragons. So if Oda does it right, there is a plausible and logical explanation for Momo a dragon bring able to damage Kaido another dragon

Anyway, personally if done correctly, I wouldn't mind if Momo gets a shot at Kaido. He is ultimately the leader of the entire alliance. Luffy and co are helping him out
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But isn't momo too young ? He isn't that strong yet..tho with Oda I wouldn't be surprised if It ended up being true..but idk it feels weird to me
 
Ice devil slayer

Ice devil slayer

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BossYimz said:
for me this was obvious the moment we were told Kaido is a dragon.
It doesnt get clearer than that.
Even in PH, Luffy and zoro fought the dragon and it was Zoro that got the final blow
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True but in the beginning, I thought he was only going to be involved at the end of the fight..now i think he'll be in the whole fight
He might not fight anyone except maybe helping momo/hiyori take down Orochi..since he needs to be at 100% against Kaido
 
BossYimz

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Ice devil slayer said:
True but in the beginning, I thought he was only going to be involved at the end of the fight..now i think he'll be in the whole fight
He might not fight anyone except maybe helping momo/hiyori take down Orochi..since he needs to be at 100% against Kaido
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With how thing are going, Wano will last for a while. The rebellion will probably get capture by Orochi since they separated and Orochicknows where they are going. He will likely set up an ambush.

The sh will have to start from square one all over again. So I can see Orochi going doing first so that the sh can save Momo and co from Orochi.

Then they will need to regroup take out the traitors and then go for Kaido and co.

So imo there will be time between Orochi going down and Kaido going down
 
Yo Tan Wa

Yo Tan Wa

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Just a member said:
Do you think this is a possible route Oda could take? Imo it is possible and there are more than some hints (even if I still think Z vs King is more plausible) like Luffy, who of course is gonna fight Kaido, is training for it but at the same time Zoro is the only one among the strong ones who is getting a training program and also a direct link to Kaido in getting the sword that wound him and it could very well happen that we will arrive at a point where only L and Z have the ability to wound him. In other words it seems Kidd didn't do a scratch to him just like L in round 1 and about Law we are not even sure he can beat Doffy solo at this point let alone injure Kaido when G4 failed, anyway none of these 2 is shown to be trying to develop something that can actually go past his defense unlime L and Z.

Also if this happens imo it is not the final fight as Luffy needs to do this alone (or beat another yonko alone) while Zoro would be better in a full fight vs King, so maybe a 2nd round where both L and Z get overpowered by Kaido? Maybe Z will not be able to wound him like Oden did and so have a new goal to reach before the arc ends (and accomplish it somewhat by beating King) What do you think?

And at this point, considering the hype this sword get, the bare minim for Zoro is King, Kyoshi will at best be an appetizer, for sure not something worthy of being the final test in Wano for a Zoro with Enma (unless he is revealed to be some really big shot who can be compared to King but I doubt that).
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I don't know... unlike before Zoro has now the means to hurt Kaidou, if Oda wants it to happen it can, bt i am still not entirely on board with Zoro playing the active role as tag team opponent of Kaidou.

I think he will get his opportunity to try cutting Kaidou and will hurt him good, bt it will most likely be Saboady trio that might fight him or Luffy alone finishes him off with New Gear or Awakening.

My reason for Zoro not participating in Kaidou fight is same as him not doing anything to help Luffy against Lucci or Doffy even tho they are two of the most strongest opponents Luffy barely was able to beat. Its not his job to meddle into his Captain fights, and Luffy won't also meddle into his fights like we saw in Baratie even tho Zoro could have died thn, Luffy onky moved after Zoro fight had ended, that's the understanding btween em. Especially if the opponents is something imp for one to take out like WSS for Zoro and Yonkou for Luffy that they made statements bout takin em out.
There's also other buildup with Zoro that has more growth in wano, i know many don't like this idea of mine because Orochii has lost hype for em, but with everything the moment Zoro met Yasu to his execution to Him revealing to Hiyori he would Kill Orochii has him setup for Orochii. In fact his emotions were clearly writtten on his face when O toko n villagers from Ebisu couldn't cry over Yasu death and Hiyori reveal how Orochii feeded em the wasted smiles intentionally. I also find it interesting that even tho Orochii is weak he is the only other character beside Kaidou itself to have a mythical Zoan in Wano which again could be as hard to cut as Kaidou Dragon form, if Oda decides hypes it up. Plus it also sets him up with Kyoshiro whom he already clashed with in. FLOWER capital. And i need not say more about King thst will also set Zoro as solid High tier by Wano end, if we look at all these alone they are plenty of achievements on their own, much more than Luffy who besides fodders i count would only will be focusing on Kaidou hence the idea of Zoro killin Kaidou never sit right with me, bt given he got Enma and its abilities i am a believer Zoro may get a chance to cut Kaidou at some stage, just won't take him on in a proper fight.
 
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Yo Tan Wa said:
I don't know... unlike before Zoro has now the means to hurt Kaidou, if Oda wants it to happen it can, bt i am still not entirely on board with Zoro playing the active role as tag team opponent of Kaidou.

I think he will get his opportunity to try cutting Kaidou and will hurt him good, bt it will most likely be Saboady trio that might fight him or Luffy alone finishes him off with New Gear or Awakening.

My reason for Zoro not participating in Kaidou fight is same as him not doing anything to help Luffy against Lucci or Doffy even tho they are two of the most strongest opponents Luffy barely was able to beat. Its not his job to meddle into his Captain fights, and Luffy won't also meddle into his fights like we saw in Baratie even tho Zoro could have died thn, Luffy onky moved after Zoro fight had ended, that's the understanding btween em. Especially if the opponents is something imp for one to take out like WSS for Zoro and Yonkou for Luffy that they made statements bout takin em out.
There's also other buildup with Zoro that has more growth in wano, i know many don't like this idea of mine because Orochii has lost hype for em, but with everything the moment Zoro met Yasu to his execution to Him revealing to Hiyori he would Kill Orochii has him setup for Orochii. In fact his emotions were clearly writtten on his face when O toko n villagers from Ebisu couldn't cry over Yasu death and Hiyori reveal how Orochii feeded em the wasted smiles intentionally. I also find it interesting that even tho Orochii is weak he is the only other character beside Kaidou itself to have a mythical Zoan in Wano which again could be as hard to cut as Kaidou Dragon form, if Oda decides hypes it up. Plus it also sets him up with Kyoshiro whom he already clashed with in. FLOWER capital. And i need not say more about King thst will also set Zoro as solid High tier by Wano end, if we look at all these alone they are plenty of achievements on their own, much more than Luffy who besides fodders i count would only will be focusing on Kaidou hence the idea of Zoro killin Kaidou never sit right with me, bt given he got Enma and its abilities i am a believer Zoro may get a chance to cut Kaidou at some stage, just won't take him on in a proper fight.
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Pretty much agree, that is why if a L and Z vs Kaido will happen it will be in the (an hypotetical) 2nd round aka at the fire festival. Luffy as always as to beat the main villain alone. About the supernova captain trio even if I was buying it now that Kidd and Law are not gettin any kind of hype or mean to deal.with Kaido while L and Z are.. Imo this could mean something.

Then for sure Zoro has beef with Orochi and he is probably his main target now and so, more than a Z vs Orochi, this for me spells a Z vs Kyoshi, but I don't know (and until now don't think either) that he will be strong enough to be Z main villain here, probably a mid villain and he also has some ties with Hiori who become chapter by chapter ties with Zoro.

King is yc1 and a swordsman who seems to be a specialist in coa (at least if his blackbess is coa) so that is a big target for Z yet until now there are 0 dots to link between them. Guess we will have to wait
 
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