This thread is to discuss the statement "Luffy did not use FS.." which is being used constantly everywhere to either defend Luffy's performances and supposed "level" or to elevate him to a higher position over other characters.
After Luffy gained FS, the popular consensus was that Luffy could not be touched (similar to Katakuri) because he had FS. Especially if the character he is facing doesn't have FS even if said character is on his level or otherwise.
However, Wano seems to be showing something different from this consensus;
> Luffy being unable to react to Kaido's Thunder Bagua.
>Luffy getting easily blocked by Queen
>Luffy getting hit by Apoo and losing consciousness
>Luffy getting caught by Ulti
> (Recent chapter) Luffy getting parried and blocked by Yamato.
In the above instances, the defense has been that Luffy did not use FS. Some reasons provided include;
> Luffy was angry/frustrated/emotional
>Luffy was not serious
Do these defenses stem from a lack of understanding of the Color of Observation Haki or do they have some validity?
Against Kaido and recently Yamato, the argument has been that Luffy was emotional / angry etc. It is not entirely true that COO does not work if you are emotionally disturbed. You lose the ability to control your COO when emotionally disturbed but not necessarily lose your COO completely. Hence, it does not mean that a character must be stoic in order to use COO. We have seen characters like Otohime and Aisa using COO even when crying. We have Usopp and Satori using COO whiles completely scared and Coby too. It could be said that, the emotional disturbance must be extreme for one lose control of COO.
In Luffy's case against Kaido, he was able to dodge Kaido's boro breath which indicates a use of COO. Being able to use COO means that he had access to FS. Before he got clubbed, a panel shows his face indicating that he knew what was coming...so unless Luffy was limiting himself in not using FS, the argument that he did not use it is weak at best. Same argument applies for Yamato.
For the other cases, we have "Luffy not being serious" arguments. First, him being serious or not does not have an implication on him using FS. We know he uses FS even when he is just fooling around in a fight. So why would he be limiting himself? A good argument would be that he doesn't want to overdo it and reduce his COO pool..which would be entirely valid. I do think when Ulti was coming in for the headbutt, Luffy did use normal COO to predict the headbutt because if he had used FS, then he would've seen the result of that headbutt. Contrary to this, when Ulti was about to use her meteor attack, Luffy actually uses FS and sees the result (which he didn't like). That is why he was about to go G4 immediately.
I think some people need to look more into the limits of COO so that they understand that FS doesn't mean you see everything and it doesn't mean you cannot be touched. There have been several panels showing these limits. Luffy is also not Katakuri...he cannot shapeshift. So people should limit their expectations of FS so as not to fall into damage control as some have in previous chapters.
Leave your thoughts and discuss on whether or not there's any validity to the claim "Luffy was not using FS...."
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After Luffy gained FS, the popular consensus was that Luffy could not be touched (similar to Katakuri) because he had FS. Especially if the character he is facing doesn't have FS even if said character is on his level or otherwise.
However, Wano seems to be showing something different from this consensus;
> Luffy being unable to react to Kaido's Thunder Bagua.
>Luffy getting easily blocked by Queen
>Luffy getting hit by Apoo and losing consciousness
>Luffy getting caught by Ulti
> (Recent chapter) Luffy getting parried and blocked by Yamato.
In the above instances, the defense has been that Luffy did not use FS. Some reasons provided include;
> Luffy was angry/frustrated/emotional
>Luffy was not serious
Do these defenses stem from a lack of understanding of the Color of Observation Haki or do they have some validity?
Against Kaido and recently Yamato, the argument has been that Luffy was emotional / angry etc. It is not entirely true that COO does not work if you are emotionally disturbed. You lose the ability to control your COO when emotionally disturbed but not necessarily lose your COO completely. Hence, it does not mean that a character must be stoic in order to use COO. We have seen characters like Otohime and Aisa using COO even when crying. We have Usopp and Satori using COO whiles completely scared and Coby too. It could be said that, the emotional disturbance must be extreme for one lose control of COO.
In Luffy's case against Kaido, he was able to dodge Kaido's boro breath which indicates a use of COO. Being able to use COO means that he had access to FS. Before he got clubbed, a panel shows his face indicating that he knew what was coming...so unless Luffy was limiting himself in not using FS, the argument that he did not use it is weak at best. Same argument applies for Yamato.
For the other cases, we have "Luffy not being serious" arguments. First, him being serious or not does not have an implication on him using FS. We know he uses FS even when he is just fooling around in a fight. So why would he be limiting himself? A good argument would be that he doesn't want to overdo it and reduce his COO pool..which would be entirely valid. I do think when Ulti was coming in for the headbutt, Luffy did use normal COO to predict the headbutt because if he had used FS, then he would've seen the result of that headbutt. Contrary to this, when Ulti was about to use her meteor attack, Luffy actually uses FS and sees the result (which he didn't like). That is why he was about to go G4 immediately.
I think some people need to look more into the limits of COO so that they understand that FS doesn't mean you see everything and it doesn't mean you cannot be touched. There have been several panels showing these limits. Luffy is also not Katakuri...he cannot shapeshift. So people should limit their expectations of FS so as not to fall into damage control as some have in previous chapters.
Leave your thoughts and discuss on whether or not there's any validity to the claim "Luffy was not using FS...."
Some Tags: @Rivaille @Sentinel @Jo_Ndule @Finalbeta @Cinera @Queen @BossYimz @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @Van @Admiral Lee Hung @Rmstorm @ZenZu @Zenos7 @nik87 @uyuu....etc etc
