At least the number of dodges should have increased don't you think?
But it seems it has decreased .
But it seems it has decreased .
Powers & Abilities "Luffy did not use FS...."
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Not necessarily because the ability itself clashes with Luffy's personality. Look at how Katakuri acts in order to keep FS active all the time. He's an extremely calm person, and doesn't let things get to him. Always laid back, and just observing everything. Oda would basically have to give Luffy, Katakuri's personality in order for the same results to be achieved, and that will never happen.
This is a common story trope of One Piece of Luffy being sloppy because he is an idiot, goes back to at least Arlong arc where he tried that windmill move, happened when he got hit by Hody, happened when he got beat by Caesar, happened when he got BFRd by Monet, happened a LOT in Dressrosa.
Oda can't easily write around Luffy's strength in many cases before without using some PIS, the fact that Luffy is now a YC1++ level character makes this even more problematic.
Luffy's high showings of Future sight should be taken more seriously than his low moments, he could dodge a flurry of Katakuri's attacks using future sight, and has displayed the ability to see SEVERAL steps ahead to the point he can give instructions to someone else how to fight.
If Luffy has some strength struggle against a sumo wrestler do we take that seriously?
Oda can't easily write around Luffy's strength in many cases before without using some PIS, the fact that Luffy is now a YC1++ level character makes this even more problematic.
Luffy's high showings of Future sight should be taken more seriously than his low moments, he could dodge a flurry of Katakuri's attacks using future sight, and has displayed the ability to see SEVERAL steps ahead to the point he can give instructions to someone else how to fight.
If Luffy has some strength struggle against a sumo wrestler do we take that seriously?
FS doesn't not allow you to see everything so there is no inconsistency. As provided, this stems from people not understanding how it works.
The whole personality point is again people trying to use mental gymnastics to create excuses.
Do you think when Roger gets angry and starts wrecking things as Garp called him a demon or some sorts, that during that period he didn't have access to Observation Haki?
Better yet when Akainu was going on a Rampage in MF, he wasn't as calm as Kuri but he still had access to COO.
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The whole personality point is again people trying to use mental gymnastics to create excuses.
Do you think when Roger gets angry and starts wrecking things as Garp called him a demon or some sorts, that during that period he didn't have access to Observation Haki?
Better yet when Akainu was going on a Rampage in MF, he wasn't as calm as Kuri but he still had access to COO.
Luffy in chapter 599 dodged an almost point-blank bullet from the sideways and behind of his hoodie. He didn't see it. FS allows for much more observation. Enel hears voices to identify the presence. Rayleigh identify the Rusukaina animal's strength even if they are far away. So Luffy having to see the enemy attacking him is not supported by manga statements or scenes of even regular Observation Haki, let alone FS.
You do not that this does not actually address anything I said right?
FS does not mean that a character sees everything which will happen in the future. Just like how Katakuri couldn't see everything when Flampe was shooting needles at Luffy.
So Akainu was not using COO when he was going on a rampage in MF?
Rayleigh was not using COO vs Kizaru when he was worried about the Strawhats?
How come Coby was using COO when he was completely freaking out?
FS does not mean that a character sees everything which will happen in the future. Just like how Katakuri couldn't see everything when Flampe was shooting needles at Luffy.
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Haki is overrated as fuck
Anyway, Luffy did not use FS because he wasn't calm and reckless. That's all
Anyway, Luffy did not use FS because he wasn't calm and reckless. That's all
Rayleigh was not using COO vs Kizaru when he was worried about the Strawhats?
How come Coby was using COO when he was completely freaking out?
For now we have two ways to know :
-When Luffy is saying out loud what will happen (what he did with Hyogoro) or say that he saw what will happened (like with Babanuki)
-When he is closing his eyes and see the « shadow » of his opponent against people stronger his tier
So since Wano started Luffy only used the first indication. Therefore we know Luffy can use against fodders. So the argument that he does not use FS against fodders is wrong.
But we can conclude that against people on his tier or at least not fodder to him he need a greater concentration (closing his eyes and shit) than what he shown in Udon and this why he did not used it against Yamato or Ulti.
-When Luffy is saying out loud what will happen (what he did with Hyogoro) or say that he saw what will happened (like with Babanuki)
-When he is closing his eyes and see the « shadow » of his opponent against people stronger his tier
So since Wano started Luffy only used the first indication. Therefore we know Luffy can use against fodders. So the argument that he does not use FS against fodders is wrong.
But we can conclude that against people on his tier or at least not fodder to him he need a greater concentration (closing his eyes and shit) than what he shown in Udon and this why he did not used it against Yamato or Ulti.
We'll have to see if FS is completely irrelevant against anyone not fodder or Katakuri then, or if it becomes a big point in his fight with Kaido. If it is useful against Kaido then that will prove he is being some mixture of sloppy/ lazy/ trying to conserve strength to not use it and completely wreck these lower tier enemies.
He was fighting to rescue Nami from Slavery, why didn't he take it seriously (till the boss fight)
He was fighting to free fishman Island, why didn't he take it seriously?
He was fighting to free children from inhumane experimentation, why didn't he take it seriously?
He was fighting to free Dressrosa, why didn't he taking it seriously(till the final boss fight)?
It is partly Luffy's character to be goofy, part of it is nerfs before the final fight that make virtual fodder seem more important, are we to believe Blueno nearly forced Gear 3 in any reality when gear 2 was enough to break the tekkai of someone over 5 times his strength?
This arc:
Letting Momonosuke getting captured was the most egregious PIS.
Not speed blitzing Apoo with gear 2 speed bursts as he did with Page One/ Ulti is being sloppy to hype Apoo.
Trying to passively block Ulti's headbutt rather than use Kane himself was a nerf to hype Ulti.
Not using Ryou to do internal damage to Page One is not being serious.
He was fighting to rescue Nami from Slavery, why didn't he take it seriously (till the boss fight)
He was fighting to free fishman Island, why didn't he take it seriously?
He was fighting to free children from inhumane experimentation, why didn't he take it seriously?
He was fighting to free Dressrosa, why didn't he taking it seriously(till the final boss fight)?
It is partly Luffy's character to be goofy, part of it is nerfs before the final fight that make virtual fodder seem more important, are we to believe Blueno nearly forced Gear 3 in any reality when gear 2 was enough to break the tekkai of someone over 5 times his strength?
This arc:
Letting Momonosuke getting captured was the most egregious PIS.
Not speed blitzing Apoo with gear 2 speed bursts as he did with Page One/ Ulti is being sloppy to hype Apoo.
Trying to passively block Ulti's headbutt rather than use Kane himself was a nerf to hype Ulti.
Not using Ryou to do internal damage to Page One is not being serious.
Katakuri was fully concentrated on beating Luffy, the focus was on his opponent. He was going about honor and respect and fighting between man.
While in Luffy's case, he was still toying with Ulti+Page One. So if he's toying around and use FS, it means that he used low-quality FS, much lower than his fight in Udon where he gave fighting directions to a veteran warrior multiple steps ahead, Hyogoro. Who himself firmly believed that Luffy will be able to fight against the likes of BM once he repeat the Penetrating CoA feat.
So compared to those things, since it was stated by Yamato, who had witnessed Kaidou's fights and all, that Luffy wasnt serious, yeah Luffy can use FS while still trolling, but how? By using the bootleg version of FS he can actually use, like "okay i will use 1% of my FS and act serious like Oda always draws me lol and thats about it"
While in Luffy's case, he was still toying with Ulti+Page One. So if he's toying around and use FS, it means that he used low-quality FS, much lower than his fight in Udon where he gave fighting directions to a veteran warrior multiple steps ahead, Hyogoro. Who himself firmly believed that Luffy will be able to fight against the likes of BM once he repeat the Penetrating CoA feat.
So compared to those things, since it was stated by Yamato, who had witnessed Kaidou's fights and all, that Luffy wasnt serious, yeah Luffy can use FS while still trolling, but how? By using the bootleg version of FS he can actually use, like "okay i will use 1% of my FS and act serious like Oda always draws me lol and thats about it"
Honestly all techniques (Haki or even DF or others)
They all are plot device
When Oda doesn't want that technique to show effictiveness, it won't
When he wants it to be spammed over and over like it's invincible from an enemy, he will make it look like legendary technique if he wants
I remember people hating on Oda for not making Doffy use "parasite" on Luffy for a big chunk of the fight thinking it's an invincible technique no one can break out of it bringing the idea of plot armor for Luffy
That same technique ended up being used by the end of the fight, and Luffy in such a small irrelevant panel broke through it with EASE like it was a kid's game, and a childish technique
another example is, Kanjuro being able to escape easily from a whole fleet filled with people with all kinds of technique
Like Nico Robin who were just saying "she can't stand seeing momo like this" last chapter, she could have grew arms back in that chapter, and snapped the bird and Kanjuro together Lol
Let alone all the other people like Law/Sanji/Zoro/Luffy/Kidd....etc!
So, all techniques, not just haki, are plot driven in this series
They all are plot device
When Oda doesn't want that technique to show effictiveness, it won't
When he wants it to be spammed over and over like it's invincible from an enemy, he will make it look like legendary technique if he wants
I remember people hating on Oda for not making Doffy use "parasite" on Luffy for a big chunk of the fight thinking it's an invincible technique no one can break out of it bringing the idea of plot armor for Luffy
That same technique ended up being used by the end of the fight, and Luffy in such a small irrelevant panel broke through it with EASE like it was a kid's game, and a childish technique
another example is, Kanjuro being able to escape easily from a whole fleet filled with people with all kinds of technique
Like Nico Robin who were just saying "she can't stand seeing momo like this" last chapter, she could have grew arms back in that chapter, and snapped the bird and Kanjuro together Lol
Let alone all the other people like Law/Sanji/Zoro/Luffy/Kidd....etc!
So, all techniques, not just haki, are plot driven in this series