Powers & Abilities Luffy hasn't learned his lesson?
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Each form of G4 is suited for specific situations, Snakeman is all about attack speed, Boundman more of an allrounder, but also a powerhouse and Tankman is all about defense.
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Against Katakuri, Luffy required Snakeman's speed as emphasized:
And yet Luffy choosed to go all out and for the weakest version of G4, , instead of Boundman which has access to his strongest attack, to take down the toughest being in the manga?to take down the toughest being in the manga?
Obviously you could always argue that Luffy is bound to lose regardless of which form of G4 he enters and that he needs to come up with something new, but the way it's written is not really in- character imo.
Thoughts?
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Thoughts?
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You take issue with something other people recognize as common sense.
First of all from Katakuri reacting it's not like Snakeman is all that weaker. But even a 50% hit that lands is worth more than a big shot that doesn't. This is a common sense that combat sports have taught us since the beginning of time
First of all from Katakuri reacting it's not like Snakeman is all that weaker. But even a 50% hit that lands is worth more than a big shot that doesn't. This is a common sense that combat sports have taught us since the beginning of time
Snakeman is the application of Kizaru's speed = weight. The faster his punches accelerate the greater the force behind them. Kat was literally getting sent flying by Snakeman punches at first while guarding before he figured Snakeman's trick out.
Snakeman can and does match Boundman in terms of power when he makes his punches zigzag to accelerate them faster. That is why he doesn't just simply punch straight at his opponent. It also has the added bonus of being ultra fast to the point of even FS users having trouble seeing them coming.
Not all G4 punches are equal in power either, Kat also cancelled G4 Boundman's Kong Gun from the side where his donut mochi usually manifests.
All in all, it is quite clear that Snakeman > Boundman. It being used in the final round against hybrid Kaido proves it.
Snakeman can and does match Boundman in terms of power when he makes his punches zigzag to accelerate them faster. That is why he doesn't just simply punch straight at his opponent. It also has the added bonus of being ultra fast to the point of even FS users having trouble seeing them coming.
Not all G4 punches are equal in power either, Kat also cancelled G4 Boundman's Kong Gun from the side where his donut mochi usually manifests.
All in all, it is quite clear that Snakeman > Boundman. It being used in the final round against hybrid Kaido proves it.
Never disagreed with this mechanism. You are right about the form using speed to generate force.
@Bold: based on what?
This is what Boundman's simple Kong Gun did to the same defense which completely blocked Snakeman's Black Mamba.
The portrayal cannot be more clear with Oda even going out of the way to emphasize that even Katakuri's Armament cannot stand upto Boundman. While showing the same Katakuri being able to match Snakeman physically.
I agree about the last part though, speed is it's primary focus and it's hella fast.
As you said, he merely diverted it's trajectory by hitting the Kong Gun from the sides with Power Mochi. Katakuri has never clashed with Boundman in a 1-to-1 duel like he did with G3 (Troll G3, Power Mochi) or with Snakeman (Edged Mochi).
And heck, its arguable that even G3 moves carry more raw power than Snakeman, with G3 clashing with a Power Mochi and Snakeman's attacks clashing with Edged Mochi.
Nah, Boundman is just flat out better in terms of damage dealt like how Snakeman is flat out better in terms of speed. Luffy didn't use Snakeman once during the Rooftop fight despite using up his all. It being used here does not change 100+ chapters of Boundman being portrayed to have superior AP capabilities. And for all we know, Boundman is probably gonna be used next in the fight against Kaidou.
@Bold: based on what?
This is what Boundman's simple Kong Gun did to the same defense which completely blocked Snakeman's Black Mamba.
I agree about the last part though, speed is it's primary focus and it's hella fast.
As you said, he merely diverted it's trajectory by hitting the Kong Gun from the sides with Power Mochi. Katakuri has never clashed with Boundman in a 1-to-1 duel like he did with G3 (Troll G3, Power Mochi) or with Snakeman (Edged Mochi).
And heck, its arguable that even G3 moves carry more raw power than Snakeman, with G3 clashing with a Power Mochi and Snakeman's attacks clashing with Edged Mochi.
Nah, Boundman is just flat out better in terms of damage dealt like how Snakeman is flat out better in terms of speed. Luffy didn't use Snakeman once during the Rooftop fight despite using up his all. It being used here does not change 100+ chapters of Boundman being portrayed to have superior AP capabilities. And for all we know, Boundman is probably gonna be used next in the fight against Kaidou.
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Each form of G4 is suited for specific situations, Snakeman is all about attack speed, Boundman more of an allrounder, but also a powerhouse and Tankman is all about defense.
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Against Katakuri, Luffy required Snakeman's speed as emphasized:
And yet Luffy choosed to go all out and for the weakest version of G4, , instead of Boundman which has access to his strongest attack, to take down the toughest being in the manga?to take down the toughest being in the manga?
Obviously you could always argue that Luffy is bound to lose regardless of which form of G4 he enters and that he needs to come up with something new, but the way it's written is not really in- character imo.
Thoughts?
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Thoughts?
Based on this:
Kat was guarding that shit with both arms too. Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
Once Kat figured out Snakeman, Luffy lost his surprise edge. Forcing Luffy to attack in a shorter time instead of letting Snakeman zip around. When Kat was confused, Luffy gave his punches enough accel to knock back Kat even while guarding. Meaning it can reach Boundman levels of power if the opponent can’t react or see it.
Because Kat isn’t stupid enough to let G4 hit him if he can avoid it? Boundman is slow but powerful, why would he try to guard if he can avoid damage altogether? He couldn’t evade Snakeman consistently, he had no choice but to guard. Snakeman is bad in CQC because that means less zipping. Kat knew that and closed in on Black Mamba.
My point is, Snakeman is by no means weaker than Boundman in absolute terms, it only takes more time to get to Boundman power per punch.
Kat was guarding that shit with both arms too. Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
Does Boundman provide more power on average? Yes. Can Snakeman provide more power per hit? Also yes, depending on how much it can accel.Once Kat figured out Snakeman, Luffy lost his surprise edge. Forcing Luffy to attack in a shorter time instead of letting Snakeman zip around. When Kat was confused, Luffy gave his punches enough accel to knock back Kat even while guarding. Meaning it can reach Boundman levels of power if the opponent can’t react or see it.
Because Kat isn’t stupid enough to let G4 hit him if he can avoid it? Boundman is slow but powerful, why would he try to guard if he can avoid damage altogether? He couldn’t evade Snakeman consistently, he had no choice but to guard. Snakeman is bad in CQC because that means less zipping. Kat knew that and closed in on Black Mamba.
My point is, Snakeman is by no means weaker than Boundman in absolute terms, it only takes more time to get to Boundman power per punch.