Powers & Abilities Luffy hasn't learned his lesson?

#42
Base Luffy could already injure Kaido significantly when attacks landed. Any form of gear 4th is order of magnitudes stronger than base Luffy. Snakeman Guarantees Luffy can land over maybe 90% of attacks especially since Kaido doesn't have Future sight. And from the two punches last chapter he is actually drawing blood from hybrid Kaido. I can understand why he chose it.

Remember Kaido was ignoring attacks from the Red Henchmen and the Roof top 5 earlier in the arc but against part 2 Luffy he has been actively blocking and countering. Could be possible he could keep up with Bound man. In an extended equivalent exchange battle we can all agree Kaido will win. Snakeman shifts the fist exchanges in favor of Luffy.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#43
Based on this:


Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
We see Katakuri being pushed around, yes. But once again, nothing compared to what Boundman did - it sent him flying through the constructs after cleanly breaking his guard. And again, this is the second Snakeman attack - Katakuri showed the ability to adapt, keep up, block and dodge with Snakeman later on. Besides would you argue that this Jet Culverin is stronger than the King Cobra because that didn't push Katakuri like this?

Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.

Once Kat figured out Snakeman, Luffy lost his surprise edge. Forcing Luffy to attack in a shorter time instead of letting Snakeman zip around. When Kat was confused, Luffy gave his punches enough accel to knock back Kat even while guarding. Meaning it can reach Boundman levels of power if the opponent can’t react or see it.
Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.

Because Kat isn’t stupid enough to let G4 hit him if he can avoid it? Boundman is slow but powerful, why would he try to guard if he can avoid damage altogether? He couldn’t evade Snakeman consistently, he had no choice but to guard. Snakeman is bad in CQC because that means less zipping. Kat knew that and closed in on Black Mamba.
He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.

Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.


The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
 
#44
First off tank man was a one time thing:kayneshrug:i thought that was obvious during cracker fight:kriwhat: and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
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We see Katakuri being pushed around, yes. But once again, nothing compared to what Boundman did - it sent him flying through the constructs after cleanly breaking his guard. And again, this is the second Snakeman attack - Katakuri showed the ability to adapt, keep up, block and dodge with Snakeman later on. Besides would you argue that this Jet Culverin is stronger than the King Cobra because that didn't push Katakuri like this?


Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.


Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.


He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.

Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.


The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
Lol what you mean katakuri literally grab bound an hands an there was nothing he could do to even move katakuri from his spot :suresure: and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part :suresure::suresure:
 
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Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#45
He is doing a good job realistically.

I didn't expect him to hold Kaido alone if they asked me during the rooftop times. He really grew massively in just a few dozens chapters. 🤔 I wonder if he will manage to capitalize for good by just himself though, that is not granted.
 
#46
We see Katakuri being pushed around, yes. But once again, nothing compared to what Boundman did - it sent him flying through the constructs after cleanly breaking his guard. And again, this is the second Snakeman attack - Katakuri showed the ability to adapt, keep up, block and dodge with Snakeman later on. Besides would you argue that this Jet Culverin is stronger than the King Cobra because that didn't push Katakuri like this?
Knocking Kat out >>>>> pushing him back feat-wise. We have comparisons of G4 Boundman and Snakeman sending Kat flying but King Cobra actually knocked his lights out in a double KO which is a better feat than any of his previous G4 moves.

Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.
It is also comparable to G4 Boundman's power based on being able to break through his two-arm guard.

Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.
Yes, so you agree that Snakeman can achieve G4 Boundman output with enough accel? That is exactly what I'm saying.

Luffy getting hits on Kat even with weaker punches isn't a detriment either. Luffy wasn't trying to reach Boundman's average output. The point was to overcome Kat's FS, not overpower him directly.

He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.
OP characters are not video game characters who can auto-dodge once they have high enough evasive stat. Kat can keep up with Snakeman and dodge it, but like in real life Stephen Curry does not always make his 3 pointers, Kat can't always evade Snakeman, especially when he's at his limit. It pressured him but he was able to keep up. That is the point, it finally put Luffy on equal footing with Kat's FS.

Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.


The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
Uhh, yes he did. He held Boundman in place as such.

 
#47
Each form of G4 is suited for specific situations, Snakeman is all about attack speed, Boundman more of an allrounder, but also a powerhouse and Tankman is all about defense.
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Against Katakuri, Luffy required Snakeman's speed as emphasized:
And yet Luffy choosed to go all out and for the weakest version of G4, , instead of Boundman which has access to his strongest attack, to take down the toughest being in the manga?to take down the toughest being in the manga?
Obviously you could always argue that Luffy is bound to lose regardless of which form of G4 he enters and that he needs to come up with something new, but the way it's written is not really in- character imo.

Thoughts?​
I think he wants to overwhelm Kaido with a barrage of punches. Kaido can't figure out where the attacks come from. Luffy's strategy is to attack Kaido so much he can't even attack Luffy back. Next chapters will be pure action.
 
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#49
First off tank man was a one time thing:kayneshrug:i thought that was obvious during cracker fight:kriwhat: and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
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Lol what you mean katakuri literally grab bound an hands an there was nothing he could do to even move katakuri from his spot :suresure: and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part :suresure::suresure:
I don't think so,Tankman will probably come into play again when Luffy needs to block a big blow. Tankman vs BM+Kaido combo attack would have been interesting.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#52
Luffy is not gonna stick to Snakeman. He's just softening Kaidou up some more with guaranteed to land blows that Kaidou has no answer for other than to tank.
I think if he got more energies left he could attempt a KKG once Kaido is not capable to react properly. 🤔
 

Veku

Flamboyant
#53
Luffy is not gonna stick to Snakeman. He's just softening Kaidou up some more with guaranteed to land blows that Kaidou has no answer for other than to tank.
Since we were also shown Luffy having pretty good control over G4 transformations and with the ability to go in and out of it consistently, I guess we're going to see him shift in and out of different G4 forms; kinda similar to how Kaidou fought before in Drunk Dragon Bagua mode.
I was hoping for that to happen at some point since Wci, but so far Luffy hasn't shown that he's capable of doing that and based on his own words it's going to be his last round of G4:
 
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