Powers & Abilities Luffy hasn't learned his lesson?
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Base Luffy could already injure Kaido significantly when attacks landed. Any form of gear 4th is order of magnitudes stronger than base Luffy. Snakeman Guarantees Luffy can land over maybe 90% of attacks especially since Kaido doesn't have Future sight. And from the two punches last chapter he is actually drawing blood from hybrid Kaido. I can understand why he chose it.
Remember Kaido was ignoring attacks from the Red Henchmen and the Roof top 5 earlier in the arc but against part 2 Luffy he has been actively blocking and countering. Could be possible he could keep up with Bound man. In an extended equivalent exchange battle we can all agree Kaido will win. Snakeman shifts the fist exchanges in favor of Luffy.
Remember Kaido was ignoring attacks from the Red Henchmen and the Roof top 5 earlier in the arc but against part 2 Luffy he has been actively blocking and countering. Could be possible he could keep up with Bound man. In an extended equivalent exchange battle we can all agree Kaido will win. Snakeman shifts the fist exchanges in favor of Luffy.
Based on this:
Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
Snakeman can reach Boundman levels of strength by acceleration.
Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.
Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.
He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.
Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.
The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
First off tank man was a one time thing
i thought that was obvious during cracker fight
and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
Lol what you mean katakuri literally grab bound an hands an there was nothing he could do to even move katakuri from his spot 
and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part
i thought that was obvious during cracker fight and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
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We see Katakuri being pushed around, yes. But once again, nothing compared to what Boundman did - it sent him flying through the constructs after cleanly breaking his guard. And again, this is the second Snakeman attack - Katakuri showed the ability to adapt, keep up, block and dodge with Snakeman later on. Besides would you argue that this Jet Culverin is stronger than the King Cobra because that didn't push Katakuri like this?
Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.
Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.
He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.
Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.
The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
Just because it sent Katakuri through a pillar? I don't buy it. It sure is faster and hence stronger than regular Jet Culverins though, I'll give you that.
Even going by your reasoning, it reached that level of power because Katakuri was dodging it forcing Luffy to stretch more and therefore accelerate more, thereby increasing it's power. On characters who won't be able to react or see it, the first blow or the second blow itself lands.
He danced around Black Mamba right after blocking it. The excuse that he had no way to dodge does not sell here, since he quite literally dodged a barrage of Black Mamba before landing his kick on Luffy.
Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.
The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part
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Knocking Kat out >>>>> pushing him back feat-wise. We have comparisons of G4 Boundman and Snakeman sending Kat flying but King Cobra actually knocked his lights out in a double KO which is a better feat than any of his previous G4 moves.
It is also comparable to G4 Boundman's power based on being able to break through his two-arm guard.
Yes, so you agree that Snakeman can achieve G4 Boundman output with enough accel? That is exactly what I'm saying.
Luffy getting hits on Kat even with weaker punches isn't a detriment either. Luffy wasn't trying to reach Boundman's average output. The point was to overcome Kat's FS, not overpower him directly.
OP characters are not video game characters who can auto-dodge once they have high enough evasive stat. Kat can keep up with Snakeman and dodge it, but like in real life Stephen Curry does not always make his 3 pointers, Kat can't always evade Snakeman, especially when he's at his limit. It pressured him but he was able to keep up. That is the point, it finally put Luffy on equal footing with Kat's FS.
Uhh, yes he did. He held Boundman in place as such.
It is also comparable to G4 Boundman's power based on being able to break through his two-arm guard.
Yes, so you agree that Snakeman can achieve G4 Boundman output with enough accel? That is exactly what I'm saying.
Luffy getting hits on Kat even with weaker punches isn't a detriment either. Luffy wasn't trying to reach Boundman's average output. The point was to overcome Kat's FS, not overpower him directly.
OP characters are not video game characters who can auto-dodge once they have high enough evasive stat. Kat can keep up with Snakeman and dodge it, but like in real life Stephen Curry does not always make his 3 pointers, Kat can't always evade Snakeman, especially when he's at his limit. It pressured him but he was able to keep up. That is the point, it finally put Luffy on equal footing with Kat's FS.
Even in that CQC instance, Katakuri didn't force Snakeman into CQC, Luffy forced Katakuri into it.
The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
The point is Katakuri was shown to never be able to stop Boundman physically but to be able to handle Snakeman physically.
Each form of G4 is suited for specific situations, Snakeman is all about attack speed, Boundman more of an allrounder, but also a powerhouse and Tankman is all about defense.
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Against Katakuri, Luffy required Snakeman's speed as emphasized:
And yet Luffy choosed to go all out and for the weakest version of G4, , instead of Boundman which has access to his strongest attack, to take down the toughest being in the manga?to take down the toughest being in the manga?
Obviously you could always argue that Luffy is bound to lose regardless of which form of G4 he enters and that he needs to come up with something new, but the way it's written is not really in- character imo.
Thoughts?
Against Doflamingo, Luffy required Boundman's power as emphasized:
Thoughts?
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First off tank man was a one time thingi thought that was obvious during cracker fight and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
Lol what you mean katakuri literally grab bound an hands an there was nothing he could do to even move katakuri from his spot and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part
i thought that was obvious during cracker fight and snake man should be far stronger than bounce man speed is weight, this was clearly seen when luffy fought katakuri
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Lol what you mean katakuri literally grab bound an hands an there was nothing he could do to even move katakuri from his spot
and then katakuri continued to beat the hell out of him in his own games or did you miss that part
