Character Discussion Luffy is going to be so cool with his new trio.

Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Kiiro said:
Mmmm depending on the translationg, the technique is called Ultimate Gyojin Karate:





And from all the techniques used by Jimbei, only Vagabond and Demon Brick are considered secret techniques or have that title. So even if it aint the first, it will be the second strongest. My bet is that it is the strongest since it also uses haki. Jimbei also explains the Gyojin Karate uses water in some way... so...

And once again, Jimbei was very injured from his fight, not a lot to be considered an extreme diff, reason I say it was High Diff since he used some of his strongest attacks and and also some nice injuries. It also seems he PU his armament haki
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The demon brick fist is his strongest technique so far outside of vagabond drill.
 
Sigran101

Sigran101

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Kiiro said:
Mmmm depending on the translationg, the technique is called Ultimate Gyojin Karate:





And from all the techniques used by Jimbei, only Vagabond and Demon Brick are considered secret techniques or have that title. So even if it aint the first, it will be the second strongest. My bet is that it is the strongest since it also uses haki. Jimbei also explains the Gyojin Karate uses water in some way... so...

And once again, Jimbei was very injured from his fight, not a lot to be considered an extreme diff, reason I say it was High Diff since he used some of his strongest attacks and and also some nice injuries. It also seems he PU his armament haki
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If we're taking the title of the move literally, than this is the strongest attack possible for a fishman and Jinbei can never get stronger. Come on man, Jinbei is stronger in the water, there's no argument to be made otherwise. Jinbei was more or less clean after the fight too.
 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
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Sigran101 said:
One panel of Jinbei getting hit, that's all this shows. You skipped the part where Jinbei's defence is so hard it breaks WW's fingers when he attacks. Also gonna need a source on demon brick fist>vagabond drill. If you're seriously implying that Jinbei's strongest attack doesn't use water then you're just trolling.
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Demon Brick Fist is a Fishman Karate Ougi move while Vagabond drill isn't.

Just like how Zoro's Santoryu Ougi moves (ISDS, Sanzen Sekai, Rokudo no Tsuji) > normal Santoryu moves
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Sigran101 said:
If we're taking the title of the move literally, than this is the strongest attack possible for a fishman and Jinbei can never get stronger. Come on man, Jinbei is stronger in the water, there's no argument to be made otherwise. Jinbei was more or less clean after the fight too.
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He wasn’t clean. You can see the fact that he’s cut pierced and covered in his own blood in the final panel of the fight. He had to use one of his ultimate moves to win.

Yeah, thats a high diff victory man.
 
Sigran101

Sigran101

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Yasheen said:
He wasn’t clean. You can see the fact that he’s cut pierced and covered in his own blood in the final panel of the fight. He had to use one of his ultimate moves to win.

Yeah, thats a high diff victory man.
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Re read the fight. Jinbei only got hit by two attacks the whole time, one of them on purpose as a flex. Every time WW went at him he got knocked on his ass. WW's best attack got tanked so hard that he got hurt instead of Jinbei.

And again, just because an attack has ultimate in the name doesn't mean it's literally the strongest possible move. Do you have any idea how many attacks are called "ultimate" something or other in manga? You're really telling me that Jinbei is stronger on land than in the water? Like am I being punked here? Because there's no way you can argue that and not be trolling.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Sigran101 said:
Re read the fight. Jinbei only got hit by two attacks the whole time, one of them on purpose as a flex. Every time WW went at him he got knocked on his ass. WW's best attack got tanked so hard that he got hurt instead of Jinbei.

And again, just because an attack has ultimate in the name doesn't mean it's literally the strongest possible move. Do you have any idea how many attacks are called "ultimate" something or other in manga? You're really telling me that Jinbei is stronger on land than in the water? Like am I being punked here? Because there's no way you can argue that and not be trolling.
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What do you mean Jinbe got hit a ton of times and was pushed farther than we’ve ever seen in the manga. That’s a high diff fight man

Yes the demon brick fist is one of jinbes strongest techniques in land or water. It’s on the same level as the vagabond drill. Jinbe likely will get new ultimate techniques but this was one.

Jinbes fight against who’s who was high diff. Just look at the final page and tell me jinbe didn’t look like he struggled
 
Senfret

Senfret

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Yasheen said:
What do you mean Jinbe got hit a ton of times and was pushed farther than we’ve ever seen in the manga. That’s a high diff fight man

Yes the demon brick fist is one of jinbes strongest techniques in land or water. It’s on the same level as the vagabond drill. Jinbe likely will get new ultimate techniques but this was one.

Jinbes fight against who’s who was high diff. Just look at the final page and tell me jinbe didn’t look like he struggled
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Jinbe didn't struggled a single bit... It was like he was waiting for Who's Who to tell him his whole story before ending the fight
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Senfret said:
Jinbe didn't struggled a single bit... It was like he was waiting for Who's Who to tell him his whole story before ending the fight
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Jinbe literally had to use power we’ve never seen before to win. He had to use a level of CoA that he never had before and an ultimate attack. Yeah that’s a struggle
 
Kiiro

Kiiro

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Sigran101 said:
If we're taking the title of the move literally, than this is the strongest attack possible for a fishman and Jinbei can never get stronger. Come on man, Jinbei is stronger in the water, there's no argument to be made otherwise. Jinbei was more or less clean after the fight too.
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I am talking about Land Jimbei, his strongest move is one of those, my bet is on the Brick but this just a matter of opinions since nothing has been stated.

While Water Jimbei... he really doesnt have that much of feats so want also cant scale his level for sure but he indeed has more speed.

And lets not take in count how Jimbei looks. Luffy has been defeated like 3 times and is still looking great
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Yasheen said:
The demon brick fist is his strongest technique so far outside of vagabond drill.
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I dont know and wont call it a fact, both are his strongest attacks, nothing has really been stated.
 
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Sheer D. Lusion said:
neko and inu had already defeated jack together on the roof they had already achieved their revenge against him, there was no need for oda to bring jack back again and fight inu alone so he could get his revenge when he already had it along with neko and it was much more logical for them to do it together. but oda still brought jack back and wasted him on a second defeat against inu instead of giving him to jimbe.
the plot of jack versus the dukes was already concluded on the roof and oda was free to give him to jimbe if he wanted jimbe to be seen as a third member of a trio with zoro and sanji.

and i do not know what you mean 'your bias' when i even said in my post it was absurd for oda to put jimbe together with the likes of franky and robin instead of zoro and sanji but that is what he did you like it or not and you can not reason against that.
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They didn't beat Jack as he was still in fighting condition and just had to retreat. How would jinbe even reach Jack at that point. Just stop trying to argue and use common sense jinibe had no reason to fight Jack other than he was strong enough to. This a story Marco or any scabbard had way more reason to fight Jack so they did.
 
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faker

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Robin swan said:
They didn't beat Jack as he was still in fighting condition and just had to retreat. How would jinbe even reach Jack at that point. Just stop trying to argue and use common sense jinibe had no reason to fight Jack other than he was strong enough to. This a story Marco or any scabbard had way more reason to fight Jack so they did.
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It's easy for the author to arrange where a character goes, who he meets and who his opponent is
For example, Sanji ran upstairs with Luffy at the beginning and met Maria halfway. When he said he was going to find kinemon, we all thought he would meet Jack. As a result, he ran to the original place to fight the queen
The same goes for Jinbei. If the author wants him to fight jack, he has many ways to do so
You can also set WW as INU's enemy instead of Jack, or let WW become a disaster instead of Jack
The fact is that the author did not do so
The treatment of the king and queen is completely different from that of Jack. Jack calls them big brother. Jack doesn't even have his own moves. That's why the king and queen are opponents of Zoro and Sanji
Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's wings. The author wants to prove this, so he didn't let Jack become Jinbei's opponent, and M3 won't change
 
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Sigran101

Sigran101

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Kiiro said:
I am talking about Land Jimbei, his strongest move is one of those, my bet is on the Brick but this just a matter of opinions since nothing has been stated.

While Water Jimbei... he really doesnt have that much of feats so want also cant scale his level for sure but he indeed has more speed.

And lets not take in count how Jimbei looks. Luffy has been defeated like 3 times and is still looking great
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I dont know and wont call it a fact, both are his strongest attacks, nothing has really been stated.
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There's no reason to assume Jinbei doesn't have another "ultimate" techinique that's stronger. He clearly wasn't pushed to his limit.

Fishmen's strength increases in the water. That's been stated blatantly in the manga dozens of times. Don't give me that bullshit. We don't need feats to scale water Jinbei vs land Jinbei when the manga explicitly states that fishmen are stronger in the water over and over.

If we're not taking that into account then what are you basing Jinbei having "serious injuries" on? He never said anything during the fight that implied he was being pushed, the way all the other strawhats did in their high-extreme diff wano fights. He was never kocked down. He never had white eyes. He never even flinched from pain. Every time he got hit his facial expression remained nuetral. We never saw him bleed excessively or cough up blood. If we don't even care about his appearance then what are you basing him being pushed to high diff on? Literally just the fact that his last move has "ultimate" in the name? Franky vs Sasaki was high diff. King and Queen were extreme diff because Zoro and Sanji collapsed afterwards. Jinbei vs WW was mid diff at the absolute worst.
 
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Robin swan

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faker said:
It's easy for the author to arrange where a character goes, who he meets and who his opponent is
For example, Sanji ran upstairs with Luffy at the beginning and met Maria halfway. When he said he was going to find kinemon, we all thought he would meet Jack. As a result, he ran to the original place to fight the queen
The same goes for Jinbei. If the author wants him to fight jack, he has many ways to do so
You can also set WW as INU's enemy instead of Jack, or let WW become a disaster instead of Jack
The fact is that the author did not do so
The treatment of the king and queen is completely different from that of Jack. Jack calls them big brother. Jack doesn't even have his own moves. That's why the king and queen are opponents of Zoro and Sanji
Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's wings. The author wants to prove this, so he didn't let Jack become Jinbei's opponent, and M3 won't change
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What are you even talking about? The point is jinbe was nowhere near Jack Sanji was a couple floors up from the live floor so right in the vicinity of queen. This isn't about wings or saying jinbe is more important than Zoro or Sanji it's that the sh's won't have a commander trio and that jinbe is supposed to be a important figure for the sh's not somehow irrelevant or next to Franky. I think you are misreading or misunderstanding the point.
 
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