Character Discussion Luffy is the most accomplished pirate in the world

#1
I think one of the more baffling elements from post Wano is how the world kind of just treats Luffy like any other pirate STILL, yet there is no pirate alive that’s ever defeated a Yonko.

Kaido and big mom themselves had 3 days fighting each other and neither of them won. Shanks has never defeated a Yonko or anyone close to that as far as the story implies. None of the Warlords have. None of the admirals have.

This is a wholly unprecedented event. When Whitebeard died to forces of all the admirals plus the Blackbeard pirates, no one person was given individual credit for beating him. Blackbeard has never been called “the man who beat Whitebeard” and even the marines who would love the propaganda of that never call Akainu that…

Yet in egghead Kizaru directly says “this is the man who defeated Kaido”… Kizaru, and so the marines and the rest of the world, fully believe Luffy straight up defeated a Yonko… and yet there’s nothing the marines or the Gorosei or any other random pirate like when Bonney run into Luffy at the start of the arc, none of these characters act like this is a big deal.

Saturn can go on his nonsensical monologues about humans being insects while Luffy, the man who defeated Kaido, is fucking EATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he feels no pressure to FUCKING KILL HIM WHERE HE STANDS

It’s nonsensical. The last time a pirate ever defeated another top tier pirate as WAS FUCKING ROGER BEATING ROCKS… 40 years ago… In truth the last time a top tier pirate was beaten was Kaido beating Oden but the general public of the world doesn’t know about that so Kaido isn’t given credit for that…

But even still, right now every single man woman and child, marine pirate and revolutionary, should fucking quake at the mention of Luffy’s name. He’s a literal living legend as he stands right now and it’s fucking bullshit how the characters and story pretend otherwise
 
#4
I think one of the more baffling elements from post Wano is how the world kind of just treats Luffy like any other pirate STILL, yet there is no pirate alive that’s ever defeated a Yonko.

Kaido and big mom themselves had 3 days fighting each other and neither of them won. Shanks has never defeated a Yonko or anyone close to that as far as the story implies. None of the Warlords have. None of the admirals have.

This is a wholly unprecedented event. When Whitebeard died to forces of all the admirals plus the Blackbeard pirates, no one person was given individual credit for beating him. Blackbeard has never been called “the man who beat Whitebeard” and even the marines who would love the propaganda of that never call Akainu that…

Yet in egghead Kizaru directly says “this is the man who defeated Kaido”… Kizaru, and so the marines and the rest of the world, fully believe Luffy straight up defeated a Yonko… and yet there’s nothing the marines or the Gorosei or any other random pirate like when Bonney run into Luffy at the start of the arc, none of these characters act like this is a big deal.

Saturn can go on his nonsensical monologues about humans being insects while Luffy, the man who defeated Kaido, is fucking EATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he feels no pressure to FUCKING KILL HIM WHERE HE STANDS

It’s nonsensical. The last time a pirate ever defeated another top tier pirate as WAS FUCKING ROGER BEATING ROCKS… 40 years ago… In truth the last time a top tier pirate was beaten was Kaido beating Oden but the general public of the world doesn’t know about that so Kaido isn’t given credit for that…

But even still, right now every single man woman and child, marine pirate and revolutionary, should fucking quake at the mention of Luffy’s name. He’s a literal living legend as he stands right now and it’s fucking bullshit how the characters and story pretend otherwise
I agree that luffy is the most accomplished pirate and he deserves his flowers however I don’t wanna take that Kizaru quote too literal as he’s super sarcastic. I’m sure they give him props for Wano but I don’t think they (Kizaru, Saturn, etc) take him seriously as it was shown in the newspaper that taking down Kaidou and big mom was a team effort (it was)

Obviously they’ll be proven wrong as Kizaru was already defeated once by luffy and I’m certain Saturn is next
 
#6
but I don’t think they (Kizaru, Saturn, etc) take him seriously as it was shown in the newspaper that taking down Kaidou and big mom was a team effort (it was)
This is beyond stupid and also Kaido was beaten by Luffy… Not by “team effort”… Also the newspapers don’t matter since the Government have FIRST HAND INFORMATION about who the situation so the know the Giant fist that crushed Kaido was Luffy’s
 
#10
Lets be honest while you can make an argument for Luffy he's only been a pirate for 4 years max. Compared to Yonkou's who've ruled over the seas for decades it'a not much. If he was to die right now he'd be known for being the shichibukai killer. Most notable he caused a ruckus at impel down enis lobby and marine ford. Doesnt really compare much to roger or whitebeard.

Sure qe can list off all the crazy things Luffy did as a pirate but other pirates have done crazy things we just dont follow them.
 
#11
This is true but defeating another yonko is just small reason for that fact .

He invade and left Enies Lobby in ruin and directly declared war with world government .

He is first pirate that invaded and break out of Impel down, ruining its reputation .

He did great taboo of beating celestial dragon.

He went 10 000 above and below the sea : Skypiea and Fishman island.
 
#12
This is one of the failures of odas world building, even if he gets much praise for it, not totally unjustified of course

You look at pre-ts for example. Luffy defeated 2 warlords and cp9

What the fuck else did the rest of the supernovas do to even be in the same league? It was just handwaved
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Lets be honest while you can make an argument for Luffy he's only been a pirate for 4 years max. Compared to Yonkou's who've ruled over the seas for decades it'a not much. If he was to die right now he'd be known for being the shichibukai killer. Most notable he caused a ruckus at impel down enis lobby and marine ford. Doesnt really compare much to roger or whitebeard.

Sure qe can list off all the crazy things Luffy did as a pirate but other pirates have done crazy things we just dont follow them.
Warlord killer
Most important super rookie
Dragons son
Survived Impel down
 
#16
Kaido's defeat is considered as a team effort from Luffy + Kid + Law against BM and Kaido

But you are right Saturn knows Luffy really beat Kaido so he shouldn't act like this. (For his defense he went to Kill Luffy the moment he came on the battlefield)
 
#18
Saturn can go on his nonsensical monologues about humans being insects while Luffy, the man who defeated Kaido, is fucking EATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he feels no pressure to FUCKING KILL HIM WHERE HE STANDS
Clearly he doesn't want Luffy dead, if he told the Marines to put him into seastone cuffs, and not kill him.... :nicagesmile:
 
#20
Well, it's like that in life as well. Lets make a football comparison

We all know (supernova) Mbappe has completed football at 24 and should have at least 2-3 Ballon d'Or. Haaland at 22 is perhaps the deadliest big striker we have ever seen. He should have 1 Ballon d'Or too.

Yet Fifa/France Football (World Government) keep awarding it too old has beens (Yonko) that while still good, perhaps have been usurped by younger talents. It is what it is.
 
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