General & Others Luffy, Kid and Law's "rivalry" seems to be very forced in the story.
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It only feels forced with Oda all of a sudden in the Wano arc trying to make Law a rival to Luffy. Kidd has always had this kind of relationship with Luffy and it makes sense that they would clash due to their personalities and goals. Also I don't think that Oda wants us to view Kidd as equal to Luffy. More like a Goku Vegeta type rivalry where it's clear who 2nd place is tbh.
Law is a rival with lots of screentime and clear motives and broken powers, his DF was massively hyped and its hax highlighted countless times. A complete backstory that is contender for top and relevance to the plot through his secret name. He’s definitely a worthy rival to Luffy.
Kidd on the other hand is the antithesis of Law. Little screentime, motives unclear, and a DF that feels average at best, not super broken like Luffy or Law’s. Weak parallels like in Udon that hardly make up for the amount of interaction that Law and Luffy got together. But he might have more relevance soon through the man with burn scars.
Kidd on the other hand is the antithesis of Law. Little screentime, motives unclear, and a DF that feels average at best, not super broken like Luffy or Law’s. Weak parallels like in Udon that hardly make up for the amount of interaction that Law and Luffy got together. But he might have more relevance soon through the man with burn scars.
It's Oda's fault for not highlighting the supernova captains trio properly. Like in Kingdom for example, Shin, Ouhon and Mouten got introduced as fellow rivals in the same state trying to compete for Great Generals status, and the MC Shin doesn't always shine all the time. There are times where Ouhon overtook Shin in terms of accomplishment and Mouten got spotlight over both of them at time, vice versa. So it's just depends on how the authors view the rivalry of each others.
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It is indeed. That’s why I’ve always maintained it’s not to be taken too seriously. All these scenes of made-up competitions and frenemy banter are very clearly portrayed in a comedic light for a reason. That’s just how it’s written. In contrast to someone like BB e.g. where there’s deep animosity and a genuine threat, and it’s treaded as a future serious, narratively important clash.
Imagine saying you can remove Law when he’s more important than most SHs in the overarching narrative lol. I can‘t remove Chopper because he’s good merchandise and that’s pretty much it. Law is a D, was a warlord, pretty much the protagonist for 2 arcs, beat yonko, etc etc.
Back on topic, Law was portrayed as Luffy’s equal. He had better feats back in PH; negged the SHs, beat the stronger opponent in Vergo. His performance in DR can be excused, he was always fighting 1v2, was fighting Doffy (who knows the best work arounds against Ope Ope). After all that, he still severely nerfed Doffy and it’s not like Luffy was having a cake walk either. G2/G3 was getting absolutely trashed by base Doffy, Luffy needed his first PU showcase for the first major villain in post-ts. Luffy still needed to go all out to beat Doffy. Honestly I don’t even see any yc2 pulling off what Law did back in DR. Jack would have been wiped off the island from Fuji’s meteor lol.
I think Kid was stronger than Luffy going into Wano but Oda missed the timing with him, he should have been given more screen time before Wano. Wano was the gateway to EoS so Luffy needed to get prepped. Law and Kid could just grow stronger the next time we see them again while Oda has to show and flesh out Luffy’s progress and powerups.
Also Luffy is the golden boy lol, he was always a gary stu. And seeing how DB is a big inspiration for OP, I think Oda was always intending for a Goku/Vegeta rivalry as the series went on.
Back on topic, Law was portrayed as Luffy’s equal. He had better feats back in PH; negged the SHs, beat the stronger opponent in Vergo. His performance in DR can be excused, he was always fighting 1v2, was fighting Doffy (who knows the best work arounds against Ope Ope). After all that, he still severely nerfed Doffy and it’s not like Luffy was having a cake walk either. G2/G3 was getting absolutely trashed by base Doffy, Luffy needed his first PU showcase for the first major villain in post-ts. Luffy still needed to go all out to beat Doffy. Honestly I don’t even see any yc2 pulling off what Law did back in DR. Jack would have been wiped off the island from Fuji’s meteor lol.
I think Kid was stronger than Luffy going into Wano but Oda missed the timing with him, he should have been given more screen time before Wano. Wano was the gateway to EoS so Luffy needed to get prepped. Law and Kid could just grow stronger the next time we see them again while Oda has to show and flesh out Luffy’s progress and powerups.
Also Luffy is the golden boy lol, he was always a gary stu. And seeing how DB is a big inspiration for OP, I think Oda was always intending for a Goku/Vegeta rivalry as the series went on.
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He isn’t though.
The entire narrative leading to Wano is present with or without Law, through Momonosuke. Take him out, and what happens?
-The Strawhats still go to Punk Hazard. They still get into a fight with Caeser due to what he did to the kids, which puts them on a collision course with Doffy and Kaido. They still meet up with Momo and Kin, who setup Kaido.
-they still go to Dressrosa, only to rescue Kanjuro this time. Dressrosa happens the same way, because Law was irrelevant to the actual island of Dressrosa. The Riku’s still provide the antagonism with Luffy
-they go to Zou to meet up with Raizo. Luffy still says he’ll kick Kaido’s ass for Momo.
It’s pretty easy to see how the arcs would have flowed without Law, because Law was not planned. Literally the only difference is Big Mom being thrown into Wano, where she didn’t belong, entirely to get rid of her. And there was zero connection between Big Mom and Law. They had no story together prior to their fight. Oda could have had the Strawhats minus throw her off the island and it would have more buildup, at least half of them were on WCI.
He’s not even important for the future, he’s just strong male Robin who can’t actually read Poneglyphs.
Remove Chopper and the arc of Drum doesn’t happen. And pre-skip, when we had a much smaller, more focused cast, is entirely changed.
Law’s just one part of an entirely bloated post-skip cast, and an easily replaceable one.
As for Kid, he’s just a non-entity story wise.
The entire narrative leading to Wano is present with or without Law, through Momonosuke. Take him out, and what happens?
-The Strawhats still go to Punk Hazard. They still get into a fight with Caeser due to what he did to the kids, which puts them on a collision course with Doffy and Kaido. They still meet up with Momo and Kin, who setup Kaido.
-they still go to Dressrosa, only to rescue Kanjuro this time. Dressrosa happens the same way, because Law was irrelevant to the actual island of Dressrosa. The Riku’s still provide the antagonism with Luffy
-they go to Zou to meet up with Raizo. Luffy still says he’ll kick Kaido’s ass for Momo.
It’s pretty easy to see how the arcs would have flowed without Law, because Law was not planned. Literally the only difference is Big Mom being thrown into Wano, where she didn’t belong, entirely to get rid of her. And there was zero connection between Big Mom and Law. They had no story together prior to their fight. Oda could have had the Strawhats minus throw her off the island and it would have more buildup, at least half of them were on WCI.
He’s not even important for the future, he’s just strong male Robin who can’t actually read Poneglyphs.
Remove Chopper and the arc of Drum doesn’t happen. And pre-skip, when we had a much smaller, more focused cast, is entirely changed.
Law’s just one part of an entirely bloated post-skip cast, and an easily replaceable one.
As for Kid, he’s just a non-entity story wise.
I still think something is wrong with this "rivalry" we don't feel any threat. Kid and Law aren't threatening.
And in influence, in feats, in individual power, in crew power, in fleet, in poneglyph Luffy has 3 and they only have 2 in addition Luffy has Robin for poneglyphs, former members of Whitebeard and Roger are all behind Luffy.
There is no competition.
And in influence, in feats, in individual power, in crew power, in fleet, in poneglyph Luffy has 3 and they only have 2 in addition Luffy has Robin for poneglyphs, former members of Whitebeard and Roger are all behind Luffy.
There is no competition.