General & Others Luffy Milestones ...

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Inspector_Mu

#121
#121
Just one question

Where do you guys rank Post wano zoro?
Above /equal/ Below to Post WCI?

Reminder Even if Enma Zoro is superior or equal to fs g4 luffy ... Oden is still out of reach for zoro to surpass him.

Current luffy with both advanced isn't even yet shown to be above Oden!

Also zoro being above FS g4 luffy currently ot post wano won't happen... post wci luffy is still faster/stronger/has better haki and endurance than Enma zoro.
 
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JoNdule

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#124
#124
Inspector_Mu said:
Oden having abnormal physical stats , VoAT + all 3 haki (possibly has advanced CoA), Having OP swords (tamed Enma between 15-18 y.o). His potential was so huge...
Oda just made this guy a natural freak of nature similar to BM/Kaido (bigger monsters)

The man was at it peak (39 y.o) when he fought kaido, both were admiral level I bet, with Kaido being Upper and Oden just being average.
Oden at this point was/is not below Admirals (Except FA and Strongest marine ), he is above any VC/YC/warlord (except Rayleigh, Yonko and PK). The other characters who have VoAT + All 3 haki are all PK material.

I firmly believe he was Rayleigh opponent when WB fought Roger...
this explains why wb didn't lose or get caught by Navy after Rox Era (38 years ago) coz he had a powerful conqueror under him.
Xebec had WB and BM (and rookie Kaido)/
Roger had Rayleigh (and rookie shanks)
/ WB had Oden (then Ace)/
BM has Katakuri/
Kong had Sengoku & Garp (who might be CoC user too),...
... this is why WB left 2nd commander spot empty because he never had another PK material underlying since Oden! That's why he was so eager to make Ace PK coz he saw Ace will surpass Oden and even Roger .
* if Oden was still alive I'll say he will be Yonko level!!
*Did Shanks end up surpassing Oden/prime Rayleigh? YES since Shanks grew to stand in same level as WB/Kaido/BM.

Oden timeline:
41 y. ago : The incidents
Between 38~29/8 y. ago : he ended up being recruited by WB and served as his Best fighter
(*Marco (45 y.o) /Jozu(40s)/Vista (47 y.o)...started serving WB around 28-25 years till a year ago; they were rookies : teens when they joined WB back then, currently they are 40s and still high tier level).
29/8 y. ago : he left and had Momo
27/6 y. ago : he had Hiyori
25 y.ago : Roger poached him
24 y.ago : last PK voyage , crew disbands
He returns to Wano
20 y.ago : Fights Kaido and dies

Now WE KNOW LUFFY HAS SIMILAR STATS AND RESSEMBLANCE TO ODEN, EVERYONE NOW HAVE HOPE AND LEADER IN LUFFY AND WILL TAKE DOWN KAIDO. Oden/ Rayleigh are Luffy benchmark this arc like How Kata was in WCi :::

Alabasta : Surpassing Crocodile
Gained *30 millions bounty*
Ennies Lobby : Surpassing His limits & Lucci by making Gears and beating Blueno and Lucci.
*Below Vets, adding haki made g2 and g3 Veteran tier.
*300 millions Bounty*
2 years Training: Making Gear 4 and becoming solid High tier with Proof : beating Doffy at DR and Cracker at Seducing Forest
*500 millions bounty*
*WCI : Surpassing Katakuri (heir to BMP captaincy, CoC/FS user, current strongest Commander)
, by gaining FS and becoming stronger than any commander, above all high tiers
*1.5 B bounty*
*Wano : Surpassing Oden (heir to shogunate, CoC/VoAT/ AdCoA User, strongest samurai & strongest commander ever ) and Rayleigh (VC, CoC/adCoA user, strongest Underling ever)
, by gaining AdCoA and becoming strong as Admirals (solid top tiers) but below Yonko/Pk/FA post wano.
* will get around 3 B bounty*
*Elbaf : surpassing Shanks!
We know after WCi, shanks already said their meeting has gotten closer (luffy was 1/3 as strong as him post WCI)
By gaining adCoC or awakening, luffy will surpass Shanks and his crew will be as strong as Shanks crew.
He will fight BM with help or solo Fuji at elbaf.
*around 4 B bounty*
*Paradise (Beehive) Island : Surpassing Prime Garp! Becoming strong as upper Yonko as BM/Kaido By beating Teach ( perhaps with Coby help ) ... Luffy gets PU or awakens.
*around 4.5 and 5 B*
*Raftel arc
*Final WG saga : Becoming PK
Surpassing Roger by beating both Akainu and Imu
*5.6 B bounty*
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Still on point. :endthis:
Oda went on to make luffy gain even adcoc this arc and will surpass Oden or equal him for sure.
He'll still surpass Shanks next arc tho

It's funny how people thought Oden was below Orochi and Marco lol the same ones still making claims Zoro/Marco/King/Doffy>Yamato
 
Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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#125
#125
Inspector_Mu said:
Oden having abnormal physical stats , VoAT + all 3 haki (possibly has advanced CoA), Having OP swords (tamed Enma between 15-18 y.o). His potential was so huge...
Oda just made this guy a natural freak of nature similar to BM/Kaido (bigger monsters)

The man was at it peak (39 y.o) when he fought kaido, both were admiral level I bet, with Kaido being Upper and Oden just being average.
Oden at this point was/is not below Admirals (Except FA and Strongest marine ), he is above any VC/YC/warlord (except Rayleigh, Yonko and PK). The other characters who have VoAT + All 3 haki are all PK material.

I firmly believe he was Rayleigh opponent when WB fought Roger...
this explains why wb didn't lose or get caught by Navy after Rox Era (38 years ago) coz he had a powerful conqueror under him.
Xebec had WB and BM (and rookie Kaido)/
Roger had Rayleigh (and rookie shanks)
/ WB had Oden (then Ace)/
BM has Katakuri/
Kong had Sengoku & Garp (who might be CoC user too),...
... this is why WB left 2nd commander spot empty because he never had another PK material underlying since Oden! That's why he was so eager to make Ace PK coz he saw Ace will surpass Oden and even Roger .
* if Oden was still alive I'll say he will be Yonko level!!
*Did Shanks end up surpassing Oden/prime Rayleigh? YES since Shanks grew to stand in same level as WB/Kaido/BM.

Oden timeline:
41 y. ago : The incidents
Between 38~29/8 y. ago : he ended up being recruited by WB and served as his Best fighter
(*Marco (45 y.o) /Jozu(40s)/Vista (47 y.o)...started serving WB around 28-25 years till a year ago; they were rookies : teens when they joined WB back then, currently they are 40s and still high tier level).
29/8 y. ago : he left and had Momo
27/6 y. ago : he had Hiyori
25 y.ago : Roger poached him
24 y.ago : last PK voyage , crew disbands
He returns to Wano
20 y.ago : Fights Kaido and dies

Now WE KNOW LUFFY HAS SIMILAR STATS AND RESSEMBLANCE TO ODEN, EVERYONE NOW HAVE HOPE AND LEADER IN LUFFY AND WILL TAKE DOWN KAIDO. Oden/ Rayleigh are Luffy benchmark this arc like How Kata was in WCi :::

Alabasta : Surpassing Crocodile
Gained *30 millions bounty*
Ennies Lobby : Surpassing His limits & Lucci by making Gears and beating Blueno and Lucci.
*Below Vets, adding haki made g2 and g3 Veteran tier.
*300 millions Bounty*
2 years Training: Making Gear 4 and becoming solid High tier with Proof : beating Doffy at DR and Cracker at Seducing Forest
*500 millions bounty*
*WCI : Surpassing Katakuri (heir to BMP captaincy, CoC/FS user, current strongest Commander)
, by gaining FS and becoming stronger than any commander, above all high tiers
*1.5 B bounty*
*Wano : Surpassing Oden (heir to shogunate, CoC/VoAT/ AdCoA User, strongest samurai & strongest commander ever ) and Rayleigh (VC, CoC/adCoA user, strongest Underling ever)
, by gaining AdCoA and becoming strong as Admirals (solid top tiers) but below Yonko/Pk/FA post wano.
* will get around 3 B bounty*
*Elbaf : surpassing Shanks!
We know after WCi, shanks already said their meeting has gotten closer (luffy was 1/3 as strong as him post WCI)
By gaining adCoC or awakening, luffy will surpass Shanks and his crew will be as strong as Shanks crew.
He will fight BM with help or solo Fuji at elbaf.
*around 4 B bounty*
*Paradise (Beehive) Island : Surpassing Prime Garp! Becoming strong as upper Yonko as BM/Kaido By beating Teach ( perhaps with Coby help ) ... Luffy gets PU or awakens.
*around 4.5 and 5 B*
*Raftel arc
*Final WG saga : Becoming PK
Surpassing Roger by beating both Akainu and Imu
*5.6 B bounty*
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I firmly believe that the moment Luffy surpasses his master "Rayleigh" will be highlighted or implied through a dialog cause that's what every shonen does with MC and his sensei...

So even if Luffy beats Kaido... Oda may highlight that Luffy surpassed Oden through Kaido's words by saying "you became as formidable as Oden" or "you are even at higher level than him"
...etc! But STILL, if Oda does not imply that Luffy surpassed Rayleigh through a dialog, then I think Prime Rayleigh was still higher EVEN if he beats Kaido...

It's just a standard formula that every single mangaka follows, and Oda will not be different specially in this point...

I think when Luffy surpasses Rayleigh, it will be highlighted GREATLY...

Kinda like Naruto surpassing Jiraya against Pain...

Or at least a former member of Roger crew exist and comments on Luffy's level being higher at the moment than Rayleigh... it will be highlighted one way or another

Besides that, no matter who Luffy beats.. I will still believe Rayleigh is above him unless he beat one of those characters:

- Prime Roger (dead anyway)
- Prime WB (Dead anyway)
- Prime Garp (he is passed his prime)
- Xebec (Potentially making a comeback)

I'll be honest, I don't trust current Yonko to scale them with old era.. I just don't... they do too many slip up and fuck up to make me scale them equally...

I don't feel like Rayleigh or Roger would get treated badly by Oda in similar manner to some of the slip ups happening to Big Meme or even Kaido in this arc...

Oda's wank for Roger crew is waaay too high.. to the point that he made Oden as a PTSD to Kaido and it could be argued that Oden is below Rayleigh based on rank in crew.. and based on Toei fighting match ups as he faught Scopper to a draw..
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
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#126
#126
Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
Still on point. :endthis:
Oda went on to make luffy gain even adcoc this arc and will surpass Oden or equal him for sure.
He'll still surpass Shanks next arc tho

It's funny how people thought Oden was below Orochi and Marco lol the same ones still making claims Zoro/Marco/King/Doffy>Yamato
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Who claimed that Oden stood below Orochi?
 
Fn Lucci

Fn Lucci

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#128
#128
ROFL Ndule showed up again. It's gonna be a rough few months bud

Le Fishe D. Crydo said:
Damn, this theard show how the Yankers headcanons always prove false :milaugh:
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No kidding like
Desolate Smaug said:
Lol Kaido won't fight anyone with underhanded tactics. The only argument you can make is Kaido army won through under handed tactics (though that is just the nature of war). It's actually implied it was Oden and his scabbards who ganged up on Kaido but still couldn't win.
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Check out this man who immediately chose to die on a lonely hill
 
J

JoNdule

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#130
#130
Sadistic Senpai said:
I firmly believe that the moment Luffy surpasses his master "Rayleigh" will be highlighted or implied through a dialog cause that's what every shonen does with MC and his sensei...

So even if Luffy beats Kaido... Oda may highlight that Luffy surpassed Oden through Kaido's words by saying "you became as formidable as Oden" or "you are even at higher level than him"
...etc! But STILL, if Oda does not imply that Luffy surpassed Rayleigh through a dialog, then I think Prime Rayleigh was still higher EVEN if he beats Kaido...

It's just a standard formula that every single mangaka follows, and Oda will not be different specially in this point...

I think when Luffy surpasses Rayleigh, it will be highlighted GREATLY...

Kinda like Naruto surpassing Jiraya against Pain...

Or at least a former member of Roger crew exist and comments on Luffy's level being higher at the moment than Rayleigh... it will be highlighted one way or another

Besides that, no matter who Luffy beats.. I will still believe Rayleigh is above him unless he beat one of those characters:

- Prime Roger (dead anyway)
- Prime WB (Dead anyway)
- Prime Garp (he is passed his prime)
- Xebec (Potentially making a comeback)

I'll be honest, I don't trust current Yonko to scale them with old era.. I just don't... they do too many slip up and fuck up to make me scale them equally...

I don't feel like Rayleigh or Roger would get treated badly by Oda in similar manner to some of the slip ups happening to Big Meme or even Kaido in this arc...

Oda's wank for Roger crew is waaay too high.. to the point that he made Oden as a PTSD to Kaido and it could be argued that Oden is below Rayleigh based on rank in crew.. and based on Toei fighting match ups as he faught Scopper to a draw..
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Oda doesn't give a damn about Rayleigh that much.

Rocks members don't even hype Ray that much except Roger, Oden and Garp. Despite seeing Ray at God valley.

Oden didn't even hype Ray, only WB and Roger. Also Kaido when he says "if I can't beat him then..."
When he wrote about Ray, he only said that he was nicknamed Dark King and Roger's oldest member.

When Oden saw Ray & Scopper, He said nothing.
When he saw Roger, he said "aura of a wild beast"
The Old trio : WB, Roger and Oden lust like Sabo, Ace and Luffy. No place for Rayleigh!
When Kaido hypes Oden, he mentions him with Roger and WB, not Ray

Luffy didn't even surpass Kata in WCI but Oda just wanted us to believe Luffy "won"
As long Rayleigh was in Luffy's mind as benchmark to reach for CoA. The fact Ray flashbacks and trainings are over since WCI. It shows that Old Ray is surpassed already.
Prime Ray will be surpassed soon.
+ Rayleigh doesn't even weild Fs or adcoc so he's not that special when it comes to haki.

That's your basis,
Oda didnt even give Rayleigh a single great hype or feat in Oden's flashback.
Rayleigh was treated as a background character.
Is that the guy you think He's above Yonko or Oden? Treated irrelevant power wise in Oden's eyes.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
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#131
#131
Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
Oda doesn't give a damn about Rayleigh that much.

Rocks members don't even hype Ray that much except Roger, Oden and Garp. Despite seeing Ray at God valley.

Oden didn't even hype Ray, only WB and Roger. Also Kaido when he says "if I can't beat him then..."
When he wrote about Ray, he only said that he was nicknamed Dark King and Roger's oldest member.

When Oden saw Ray & Scopper, He said nothing.
When he saw Roger, he said "aura of a wild beast"
The Old trio : WB, Roger and Oden lust like Sabo, Ace and Luffy. No place for Rayleigh!
When Kaido hypes Oden, he mentions him with Roger and WB, not Ray

Luffy didn't even surpass Kata in WCI but Oda just wanted us to believe Luffy "won"
As long Rayleigh was in Luffy's mind as benchmark to reach for CoA. The fact Ray flashbacks and trainings are over since WCI. It shows that Old Ray is surpassed already.
Prime Ray will be surpassed soon.
+ Rayleigh doesn't even weild Fs or adcoc so he's not that special when it comes to haki.

That's your basis,
Oda didnt even give Rayleigh a single great hype or feat in Oden's flashback.
Rayleigh was treated as a background character.
Is that the guy you think He's above Yonko or Oden? Treated irrelevant power wise in Oden's eyes.
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Rayleigh didn't become the Dark King because of nothing man.

He was one of the most prominent figures of the old era. He clashed with an admiral like that despite standing as a rusty geezer.
 
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