General & Others Luffy should be defeated

#22
Switching from kid to zoro because "kid always gets L's and zoro always W's" just to be upset that luffy is progressing and winning more than anyone is weird

Do you also want zoro to get defeated too? Or maybe no because him looking bad would ruin him for you?
Why do you want to undercut and devalue luffy's victories so much? Why do you want to see him fail while complaining about kid and choosing to wank zoro now


You liking or not liking luffy is fine cause at the end of who really cares but its weird
 
#23
I don't think Luffy is getting defeats any time soon. He needs to establish why he's a Yonko like Shanks, Teach (and Buggy) and not a pretender like Law and Kid.

However, he isn't going to steamroll his fellow top tier opponents, either (just like he would not steamroll Zoro if they were to fight) and if Saturn really has a power it's likely Saturn is a menace above the admirals via some hax. Or it's also possible Saturn is useless and is only there for the command chain plot.
 
#24
Kidd and Law lost because they werenโ€™t actually Yonko level, Luffy who actually got the title and split the sky with Kaidou shouldnโ€™t loose, as this is his chance to prove he is Yonko level.

The only Yonko I can see loosing in this arc is potentially CG and Buggy, since Buggy is in-fact not Yonko level in power. Though Buggy could still luck his way into a win or have Buggy awaken/get coc, if Oda wants all the Yonko to establish themselves fully this arc.
 
#25
Switching from kid to zoro because "kid always gets L's and zoro always W's" just to be upset that luffy is progressing and winning more than anyone is weird

Do you also want zoro to get defeated too? Or maybe no because him looking bad would ruin him for you?
Why do you want to undercut and devalue luffy's victories so much? Why do you want to see him fail while complaining about kid and choosing to wank zoro now

You liking or not liking luffy is fine cause at the end of who really cares but its weird
Middo taking the fattest L in manga history broke him, now he wants everyone to take an L like Midd:laughmoji:
 
#26
Coming off from Luffy vs Kaido, Oda needs to re-establish Luffy as an underdog going forth.

I feel like the way he will do this is by having Luffy get defeated by Saturn.

However heโ€™ll probably get saved by his crew or the RHP, preventing the SHs from being destroyed like the heart or kid pirates.
Luffys an emperor him losing now would make that look terrible.
 
#28
Middo taking the fattest L in manga history broke him, now he wants everyone to take an L like Midd:laughmoji:
What makes it worse is him for some reason making an exception for zoro + the fact kid and law are eventually going to return stronger and better than ever

People convincing themselves that they're done as captain's or even pirates are just lying to themselves
 
#29

this timeline is still in effect and while this guy says this will be luffy/Zoro L i think if anything this will be the shape these two will be in after winning. I think oda examples of kidd and law defeat are key...Kidd and killer were completely overpowered probably the worst the two have looked in the manga,law was defeted but bepo pops off and saves his captains life...Besides the fact that we are a yonko crew and have monkey d luffy which mind you shanks and bb the other two yonkos have looked good you know oda bout to pop off for luffy and ultimately zoro as well because unlike killer and bepo he is a conquer these two will not yield they will push through it and win and be in a much worse state than end of wano.
 
#34
Coming off from Luffy vs Kaido, Oda needs to re-establish Luffy as an underdog going forth.

I feel like the way he will do this is by having Luffy get defeated by Saturn.

However heโ€™ll probably get saved by his crew or the RHP, preventing the SHs from being destroyed like the heart or kid pirates.
Imo Luffy should defeat Saturn but suffer losses against Shanks or BB...but also defeat them each in other rounds, before entering the threesome final round where everyone go all-out 120%
 

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#35
Shut up hater. Luffy is going to fold everyone. There is no more underdogs now. Your fave is going to be toon diffed soon. Cry.
Goddamn, my man Kerk went all out in this post.:snoopy:

GODFY TOP 1!!!
Luffy ain't gonna be an Under dog anymore lol.

That's the whole point of him being a yonko. And his promise to shanks.

If Oda tries to make him an underdog now, it'll seem really forced.

He can have his back against the wall in fights against BB where he gets his DF powers taken, or Shanks could overwhelm him with haki etc. But all that should be for very short time. He should be able to hold his own and fight evenly with anyone in the world.

He's now at the top of the pirate world. People underestimating him and getting wrecked for it wont be as cool anymore. It'll just make the opponent seem really really stupid.
 
#37
Coming off from Luffy vs Kaido, Oda needs to re-establish Luffy as an underdog going forth.

I feel like the way he will do this is by having Luffy get defeated by Saturn.

However heโ€™ll probably get saved by his crew or the RHP, preventing the SHs from being destroyed like the heart or kid pirates.
I don't think so,here is where Luffy starts his PK legend.He needs to go toe to toe with every top tier and survive.He doesn't need to beat all of them,because Roger never did it either.
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Future sight,internal destruction coa,conquerors coating,gear2,gear3,gear4 and awakening(gear5).Luffy is a solid top tier now,no one is pushing him below anything other than extreme diff.
 

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#38
Coming off from Luffy vs Kaido, Oda needs to re-establish Luffy as an underdog going forth.

I feel like the way he will do this is by having Luffy get defeated by Saturn.

However heโ€™ll probably get saved by his crew or the RHP, preventing the SHs from being destroyed like the heart or kid pirates.
It won't happen.

All Oda has to do is portray him as a dumb fuck that he is and not use everything from the get go.

Tho in all fairness, Luffy wouldn't beat Fresh Kaido in 1 vs 1 if they fought right now.

So in that case he still will be an underdog.
 
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