Break Week Luffy & Teach growth

[Jo_Ndule]

We all know Teach was commander level without Df, luffy wasnt even Vet level even with gears.

We have been overestimating Teach, (yes I also rate him High top tier) but logically if you look at Luffy stats and feats then Luffy is closer to Teach than to Shanks.
I can possibly see Teach being Mid top tier (not yet High top tier) he is slightly above Kuzan like Akainu is. It's not surprising that Kuzan went from Akainu side to Teach, both dudes who rose to new rank in the same timeline.

Both Luffy and Teach are growing in their own way , with Teach his growth is acquiring Dfs and weapons while Luffy growth is acquiring Haki abilities and awakening
Teach had Haki before Luffy while luffy had df before him.

Blackbeard :
Base ~ Low high tier ( YC4)
Yami ~ Top High tier
MF Gura & Yami ~ Low Top tier
TS Gura & Yami ~ upper-Low Top tier
Currently ~ Mid Top tier
Bounty 2.247 B ---> soon 3-4 B

Strawhat Luffy :
Base ~ Mid tier
G2 & G3 ~ Top Vet/Low high tier
G4 ~ High high tier
FS G4 ~ Inbetweener
Current Luffy ~ Low Top tier
Bounty 1.5 B --> soon 2-3 B

Oda is keeping Teach and Luffy close in bounty while both make their way to 4B to surpass the Yonko.
Pre FS and adcoa, Teach would have low diffed Luffy but now it is a solid Upper mid diff.

Teach will soon be high Top tier by beating Shanks, Luffy will be mid top tier
Oda will keep Luffy underdog a bit when they meet.

 

[S.W317]

There's no such a thing as Veteran level, this was a term coined by the community to categorize Perospero, Compote, Daifuku and Oven due to a mistranslation of what Veto called them. In the official translation they were referred to as monsters, but that's not even a rank by itself. Anyways Perospero, Daiduku, Oven, Mont d' or, Tamago, Bobbins and others are all called Yonko officers which, depending on the crew can be divided into 2 ranks or just a single rank where all of them are equal. In the WB pirates all the commanders are equal and unlike what the community thinks, the commanders aren't ranked according to the division number they have, that's a huuuuuge misconception, in the big mom pirates there are 3 ranks; Sweet commanders, ministers and ranked soldiers (bishops, knights and Rooks), in the beast pirates it's All-Star and headliner(the numbers are not a rank of their own, they're either a special group of headliners like the Tobi-roppo or All-Stars like the calamities). Anyways drop the Veteran term please cause it just creates confusion and let's look at each character individually when we compare them to others, cause even what you guys call "Yonko commanders" YC3, YC2 and YC1 isn't accurate too, cause top 3 Yonko officers of one crew are not necessarily as powerful as those in other crews. For example I think that the strongest Number/F6 is as strong as Snack and Cracker, Jack in my opinion is as strong as Smoothie, Yassop is stronger than Jack, Queen, Katakuri, Smoothie and so on

 

[Paperchampion23]

We all know Teach was commander level without Df, luffy wasnt even Vet level even with gears.

We have been overestimating Teach, (yes I also rate him High top tier) but logically if you look at Luffy stats and feats then Luffy is closer to Teach than to Shanks.
I can possibly see Teach being Mid top tier (not yet High top tier) he is slightly above Kuzan like Akainu is. It's not surprising that Kuzan went from Akainu side to Teach, both dudes who rose to new rank in the same timeline.

Both Luffy and Teach are growing in their own way , with Teach his growth is acquiring Dfs and weapons while Luffy growth is acquiring Haki abilities and awakening
Teach had Haki before Luffy while luffy had df before him.

Blackbeard :
Base ~ Low high tier ( YC4)
Yami ~ Top High tier
MF Gura & Yami ~ Low Top tier
TS Gura & Yami ~ upper-Low Top tier
Currently ~ Mid Top tier
Bounty 2.247 B ---> soon 3-4 B

Strawhat Luffy :
Base ~ Mid tier
G2 & G3 ~ Top Vet/Low high tier
G4 ~ High high tier
FS G4 ~ Inbetweener
Current Luffy ~ Low Top tier
Bounty 1.5 B --> soon 2-3 B

Oda is keeping Teach and Luffy close in bounty while both make their way to 4B to surpass the Yonko.
Pre FS and adcoa, Teach would have low diffed Luffy but now it is a solid Upper mid diff.

Teach will soon be high Top tier by beating Shanks, Luffy will be mid top tier
Oda will keep Luffy underdog a bit when they meet.

I think the better way to compare Luffy and Teach is that there always seems to be a "dark" parallel between how they obtain power:

Crew Members:
- Luffy gets his first 4 crew members before getting to GL. Each is a personal and meaningful connection. The next 5 he obtains are all slowly recruited through the story.
- When we meet Blackbeard, he already has his first 4 crew members. These can be personal, but we won't find out till later I assume. The next 5 Blackbeard obtains are all quickly recruited by one event: Impel Down. Additionally, aside from Aokiji, Blackbeard seems to have obtained an additional crew member (He has 10 titanic captains yet only 9 crewmates not including himself; he is the Admiral, not a Titanic Captain).
- This indicates that Luffy may get one more crew member to match Blackbeard's current 11 (12 with Aokiji but its clear there is something else there).


"Power":
- Luffy gains power mainly by personal growth with his fruit or inspiring others to join his cause every arc. He has slowly increased his strength over a 1000 chapters, with haki and his devil fruit to become something else entirely. Luffy inspired nearly an entire army's worth of Pirates to join under his flag without him even asking.
- Blackbeard has so far stolen 2 of the most powerful devil fruits in existence, has an entire crew's worth of people to take devil fruits (its best to assume all 10 of crew members will have at least one power by the EoS) considering that is their goal. They believe taking power is everything. Blackbeard has immense personal strength, but a lot of that strength is overly reliant on powers he's gained, not powers he worked to improve. Blackbeard has allied "evil" crews and people likely under his Titanic Captains inspired by joining his "dark" causes.

"Influence":
- Luffy's influence is self made. It comes from putting a wrench into the machine and ruining the balance.
- Blackbeard's is pretty much the same, but he obtained his influence through deception and planning. He has most of Whitebeard's old territories and uses that to gain power.

Ship:
- Luffy's ship, Going Merry, while extremely important was certainly the low cost/low end ship they survived nearly half of GL with. Sunny is where their shipwright put into effort his greatest inspirations into sailing around the world.
- Blackbeard had, at first, an unnamed generic Log type ship that he and his 5 crew members shared. Then after the timeskip they obtained the "Saber of Xebec". The design of said ship is unknown. His 10 titanic captains all have Log ships of their own now. Additionally, some people know my theory about Blackbeard going for Pluton right now. That may be his main ship in the end. Ultimate Power.

Bounty:
- I agree with you here. Once Blackbeard steals Pluton from the WG or gets it before they do, his bounty will shoot higher than Kaido's, maybe even higher than Whitebeards (I doubt Roger's though). A "doubling" in bounty for both BB (about 4.5-5.4 billion) and Luffy (3-3.5 billion) makes the most sense post-Wano. Luffy likely won't handle both Yonko on his own, so personal bounty on Luffy shouldn't be higher than any other Yonko's just yet.


But yeah, certainly some major parallels between both characters.

 

[S.W317]

In my opinion BB will have 4 more titanic captains before the final battle

 

[Paperchampion23]

In my opinion BB will have 4 more titanic captains before the final battle

Why? Discounting Aokiji, he already has 11 members, which is one more than Luffy has. You expect Luffy to get 5 more crew members before EoS?

 

[Master OF Haki]

We all know Teach was commander level without Df, luffy wasnt even Vet level even with gears.

Oh. com on, Teach killed Touch YC4 who was above Vista (or at the very least equal to him) so fast and easy that no one even noticed it (in a fack:ng Yonko ship) imagine how powerful you should be to do so when Mihawk couldn't even scratch Vista. There's no way that Shanks warns Whitebeard about commander level dude, there's no way that commander could scarre Shanks, there's no way commander could defeat Ace that is BS. DF less Blackbeard is at the very least Admiral level Wh wouldn't stop Ace if BB was commander level.

 

[S.W317]

Oh. com on, Teach killed Touch YC4 who was above Vista (or at the very least equal to him) so fast and easy that no one even noticed it (in a fack:ng Yonko ship) imagine how powerful you should be to do so when Mihawk couldn't even scratch Vista. There's no way that Shanks warns Whitebeard about commander level dude, there's no way that commander could scarre Shanks, there's no way commander could defeat Ace that is BS. DF less Blackbeard is at the very least Admiral level Wh wouldn't stop Ace if BB was commander level.

Why do you ignore my post above, and why is your thought process is sooo linear and straightforward, not showing any signs of flexibility and the ability to accept anything other than his headcanon? Did I not clarify already that strength among the WB commanders is not based on the division number they're leading? It's really wrong to think that Marco>Ace>Jozu>Vista, when in actuality Marco>Jozu>Vista and Ace could be the strongest after Vista(which I honestly doubt) or there are other commanders stronger than Ace.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Teach growth was going through WBP
Luffy growth was going through BMP

Teach & Luffy both took down 2 commanders from same Crew :
Teach took down Ace then Marco
Luffy took down Cracker then Kata

Luffy will be the reason BM retired or loses
Teach was the last reason why WB died

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

EOS Teach will definitely be very strong and I'm hoping that Luffy will 1v1 him in the future.