Powers & Abilities Luffy vs Kaidou: hidden power cards of each

[uyuu]

Just like the title said. The panel of Red Roc visualize barrier flow and/or fire effects surrounding Luffy's black fist colliding with Kaidou's face, signified by Kaidou's burned head. While in training, Luffy didn't even need to touch the tree to blast it internally. So i assume that Luffy still kept his Internal Destruction CoA hidden.

On the other hand, imo the reveal of Kaidou having Uo Uo no Mi could very well signify that the dragon form we see until now is just the very outermost surface of what Kaidou's Zoan Form capable of actually doing. Is "Hundred Beast" means that Kaidou literally has multiple stages of transformation, each stronger than the last?

How do you think their hidden powerup stages will be revealed against each other?

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy:

- Awakening (Oda may finally portray it, after all, Luffy should be mature enough to put into play what he witnessed against Doffy and replicate it)
- New attacks (he made us glance at Red Rock and so there are odds for new attacks to be shown either)

Kaido:

- Hybrid Mode
- New attacks (at least relative to the mode)

 

[uyuu]

Luffy:

- Awakening (Oda may finally portray it, after all, Luffy should be mature enough to put into play what he witnessed against Doffy and replicate it)
- New attacks (he made us glance at Red Rock and so there are odds for new attacks to be shown either)

Kaido:

- Hybrid Mode
- New attacks (at least relative to the mode)

Currently i dont even think Kaidou's dragon form is his true Zoan form anymore.

 

[Oblivion]

Could you imagine an awakened Kaido

 

[Finalbeta]

Could you imagine an awakened Kaido

Red Rock wouldn't be good enough anymore eventually. Luffy would be required to rely on G4 to accomplish the same again I presume.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

So i assume that Luffy still kept his Internal Destruction CoA hidden.

Huh? Are you saying you can hurt kaido with just barriers?

does that mean Bartolomeo can hurt kaido too?

 

[sanjikun]

Huh? Are you saying you can hurt kaido with just barriers?

does that mean Bartolomeo can hurt kaido too?

It's just superficial damage ffs. Luffy cracked Kaido's head with a basic Elephant Gun. Why wouldn't a much more powerful Red Roc hurt him?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's just superficial damage ffs. Luffy cracked Kaido's head with a basic Elephant Gun. Why wouldn't a much more powerful Red Roc hurt him?

Luffy did Zero damage to kaido. No blood = No damage. Thats why Sanji did nothing to Page one as well, no blood

 

[uyuu]

Huh? Are you saying you can hurt kaido with just barriers?

does that mean Bartolomeo can hurt kaido too?

Yes, barrier haki, the one the scabbards used to hurt Kaidou from the outside with their sword piercing Kaidou's skin directly. Not necessarily Bartolomeo's barrier fruit.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yes, barrier haki, the one the scabbards used to hurt Kaidou from the outside with their sword piercing Kaidou's skin directly. Not necessarily Bartolomeo's barrier fruit.

Are you saying there’s a functional difference between the barriers Bartolommeo makes and the ones made by haki?

like when hyogoro was explaining the barriers, what in his explanation gave you the idea thay theres a difference?

 

[Isaac Netero]

Are you saying there’s a functional difference between the barriers Bartolommeo makes and the ones made by haki?

like when hyogoro was explaining the barriers, what in his explanation gave you the idea thay theres a difference?

The internal destruction was always said as an even further step from the Ryou, Hyo himself said the he doesn't know how to do it while he knows Ryou.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

The internal destruction was always said as an even further step from the Ryou, Hyo himself said the he doesn't know how to do it while he knows Ryou.

Im talking about barriers not internal destruction

the guy im talking to believes Luffy can injure kaido with just barriers.

 

[uyuu]

Are you saying there’s a functional difference between the barriers Bartolommeo makes and the ones made by haki?

like when hyogoro was explaining the barriers, what in his explanation gave you the idea thay theres a difference?

Im talking about barriers not internal destruction

the guy im talking to believes Luffy can injure kaido with just barriers.

Barrier haki, aside from functioning as a barrier, also functioning as haki, which is strengthening the limb/weapon. So its your own idea that they are functioning as the same and that Kaidou can be injured by bartolomeo's barrier, while there is no such indication in the manga.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Barrier haki, aside from functioning as a barrier, also functioning as haki, which is strengthening the limb/weapon. So its your own idea that they are functioning as the same and that Kaidou can be injured by bartolomeo's barrier, while there is no such indication in the manga.

Dude i never said bartolomeo barriers csn hurt kaido. As far as i can tell Luffy barriers cant hurt kaido

im talking to a person who thinks Luffy barriers can hurt kaido. You are replying to the wrong person

 

[WesMidnight]

Luffy:
G3 Rifle techs which haven't been used since the time skip.
Red Roc Gattling
G2 speed looking impressive again (which it has in his 2vs1 match earlier and in his training but is inconsistently portrayed to nerf Luffy).
Tankman-Boundman-Snakeman quick change
Tankman upgraded with Barrier defense like Sentomaru.
Future Sight mastered Snakeman
Internal destruction- maybe call back to his snake shot tech from fishman island that was retconned away.

Kaido:
Kanabo trick ranged shots like Yamato used.
Hybrid mode
Elemental attacks in hybrid
Awakened Hybrid mode- crazy regen requiring internal destruction.

Dude i never said bartolomeo barriers csn hurt kaido. As far as i can tell Luffy barriers cant hurt kaido

im talking to a person who thinks Luffy barriers can hurt kaido. You are replying to the wrong person

Considering Level 1 Ryuo IS barrier haki, what the scabbards used to flow and damage Kaido slightly despite their inferior AP, yes barrier haki can hurt Kaido when used to clad an attack. Zoro only has barrier haki but will do some damage to Kaido.
Only Luffy on this island has internal destruction Ryuo required to pull of feats like exploding collar destruction.

 

[kurwa]

Luffy did Zero damage to kaido. No blood = No damage. Thats why Sanji did nothing to Page one as well, no blood

lmao what
so if a person doesn't bleed, he doesn't get hurt?

 

[Gorosei Informer]

Could you imagine an awakened Kaido

I'm wondering if the dragon form and his size are his awakening. There's the issue of the Impel Down Jailer Beasts or w/e with their "awakenings" but I refuse to believe the Yonkos haven't already shown or at least will show their awakenings tbh.

I wish Oda would clarify this all already instead of making us guess.



Still waiting on Kid's DF to be named/revealed too.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Im talking about barriers not internal destruction

the guy im talking to believes Luffy can injure kaido with just barriers.

Yes, Luffy is just using the barrier Haki, as that is what he was specifically trying to train for in order to damage Kaido. He inadvertently learned internal destruction Haki in the process while saving Hyou and himself from the collars.

When introducing two new abilities consecutively like that, Oda is not going to just ignore the first one, and jump straight to the second one. That's not how shonen fights work. Luffy will use barrier for awhile until he understands it's not going to get the job done, and then switch to internal destruction. Shonen 101.....

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

yes barrier haki can hurt Kaido when used to clad an attac

So Bartolommeo can hurt Kaido?
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lmao what
so if a person doesn't bleed, he doesn't get hurt?

Do you know why Luffy punching Kaido is different in 922 from 1000? Because blood
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Luffy is just using the barrier Haki, as that is what he was specifically trying to train for in order to damage Kaido

@Celestial D. Dragon

that means Bartolommeo can damage Kaido too?

 

[stealthblack]

if kaidou is a fish...then is fire his weakness? please oda don't....