Current Events Luffy Was Objectively More Afraid of Kizaru Than He Was Of Imu

[Zoinks52]

People really throw this term around often, but Kizaru is HIM

Maybe one day we get to see a serious Kizaru, but at this point I wouldn't bet on it.

One thing I like about this guy is that he doesn't fight like you'd expect him to at all.

You'd think a light power user would be a one trick pony, just spamming speedblitzes and lasers while never getting touched until he finally gets tapped.

Meanwhile le Kizaru:
- Heavily favours head on fighting with kicks, blocks, lightsabers and evasion, mainly using lasers and LS as special moves, finishers etc.
- Most defensive Admiral with remarkable tankiness.
- One of the most versatile fighters in the verse who is a master marksman, hand-to-hand fighter and Jedi Knight.
- After seeing how clean he is at the end of EH I'd not be surprised if he could rival Akainu and Kuzan in stamina.

Idk why people are still doing this dated argument of "Oh, Oda stopped Kizaru from being defeated or going all out at Egghead, so that means he was simply too strong for Luffy at the time!". We know this isn't true because Oda was literally holding Luffy back too. It's not just shit like him not using ACoC, but he also somehow couldn't just pump his heart back up with the Drums of Liberation like he did in Wano, which makes no sense because it's very clear that Kizaru didn't exhaust him as much as Kaido did. With Kizaru, all the damage that Luffy had before and during the fight was the laser barrier damage (something we see get outdone by Kaido's Zoan Boro Breath anyway), and then the light clone grazing his cheek with a sword. That is not nearly enough to make Luffy completely unable to get back up and fight. It's painfully obvious that Luffy was being held back because Oda didn't want him to get up and ruin Saturn's entrance. He had to present Saturn as an unknown and scary force that was capable of beating Sanji, Franky and Bonney without much trouble. Luffy getting up and fighting him ruins that quickly. That's also the reason Zoro was locked down playing patty cakes with Lucci for like a hour when we know that he could have won off the rip if he put a little more effort in (seeing as the one named attack we saw him use immediately ended the fight).

I mean...

"I'm at my limit!" He says it himself.

And this whole narrative of holding back is just dubious. Luffy knows Kizaru, he called him by name and the first thing he says is a callback to Sabaody.

The whole point of LvK is to parallel Garp v Kuzan/Ray v Kizaru and we know that Luffy's "counterparts" Garp and Ray were serious in their fights.

On top of that we know Kizaru held back too.

- He could easily have tag teamed Luffy with his clones instead of fucking off to go fondle Usopp.

- His nuke level lasers from MF could easily wreak damage to giant Luffy especially given that Luffy even in G5 usually tries to dodge or toonforce his way through Kizaru's lasers.

- Almost every time Luffy grabs or hits him he's completely distracted which wouldn't happen in a real fight.

- The whole mental nerf thing - it's been canon since Water 7 that emotional conflict can massively fuck up your stats.

Look, there's two ways to view it.

Either you can say that Kizaru was weaker but Luffy got plot nerfed and matchup diffed.

Or you can say that Kizaru is way, way stronger than people think he is or want him to be. I feel that it's the latter personally.

I'd say the same goes for Gucci as well. Either Zoro got his skills put on cooldown until Oda gave him the go ahead; or Wucci was just that strong.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

One thing I like about this guy is that he doesn't fight like you'd expect him to at all.

You'd think a light power user would be a one trick pony, just spamming speedblitzes and lasers while never getting touched until he finally gets tapped.

Meanwhile le Kizaru:
- Heavily favours head on fighting with kicks, blocks, lightsabers and evasion, mainly using lasers and LS as special moves, finishers etc.
- Most defensive Admiral with remarkable tankiness.
- One of the most versatile fighters in the verse who is a master marksman, hand-to-hand fighter and Jedi Knight.
- After seeing how clean he is at the end of EH I'd not be surprised if he could rival Akainu and Kuzan in stamina.


I mean...

"I'm at my limit!" He says it himself.

And this whole narrative of holding back is just dubious. Luffy knows Kizaru, he called him by name and the first thing he says is a callback to Sabaody.

The whole point of LvK is to parallel Garp v Kuzan/Ray v Kizaru and we know that Luffy's "counterparts" Garp and Ray were serious in their fights.

On top of that we know Kizaru held back too.

- He could easily have tag teamed Luffy with his clones instead of fucking off to go fondle Usopp.

- His nuke level lasers from MF could easily wreak damage to giant Luffy especially given that Luffy even in G5 usually tries to dodge or toonforce his way through Kizaru's lasers.

- Almost every time Luffy grabs or hits him he's completely distracted which wouldn't happen in a real fight.

- The whole mental nerf thing - it's been canon since Water 7 that emotional conflict can massively fuck up your stats.

Look, there's two ways to view it.

Either you can say that Kizaru was weaker but Luffy got plot nerfed and matchup diffed.

Or you can say that Kizaru is way, way stronger than people think he is or want him to be. I feel that it's the latter personally.

I'd say the same goes for Gucci as well. Either Zoro got his skills put on cooldown until Oda gave him the go ahead; or Wucci was just that strong.

I get your point, and I can't deny that Kizaru was definitely nerfed. That isn't my point. The point is Oda just up and contradicted how G5 was written to work in Wano. It originally could be forcefully re-entered if Luffy really felt the need to by pumping his heart back up. In Egghead, that mysteriously vanished. At the end of the day, you have to admit that there's only one logical reason for why that is. It may be hard to acknowledge it, but, both were nerfed there in their own ways. Though I wouldn't oppose to someone arguing that Kizaru was slightly more nerfed than Luffy was. I still believe Luffy could win, though, but if he does it's an extreme diff.

 

[Zoinks52]

I get your point, and I can't deny that Kizaru was definitely nerfed. That isn't my point. The point is Oda just up and contradicted how G5 was written to work in Wano. It originally could be forcefully re-entered if Luffy really felt the need to by pumping his heart back up. In Egghead, that mysteriously vanished. At the end of the day, you have to admit that there's only one logical reason for why that is. It may be hard to acknowledge it, but, both were nerfed there in their own ways. Though I wouldn't oppose to someone arguing that Kizaru was slightly more nerfed than Luffy was. I still believe Luffy could win, though, but if he does it's an extreme diff.

I'm not sure if I'm misremembering but didn't he do something similar in EH after the Gucci fight? Turning into an old man and deaging?

I swear he did something of the sort. I keep trying to find it but I can't because Google grows more ass each passing day. That or I got holes in my brain.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm not sure if I'm misremembering but didn't he do something similar in EH after the Gucci fight? Turning into an old man and deaging?

I swear he did something of the sort. I keep trying to find it but I can't because Google grows more ass each passing day. That or I got holes in my brain.

He did, but it didn't seem nearly as serious as when it happened against Kizaru. Iirc it was the same as when he used it for the first time against Kaido

 

[Blax Blah]

I'm not sure if I'm misremembering but didn't he do something similar in EH after the Gucci fight? Turning into an old man and deaging?

I swear he did something of the sort. I keep trying to find it but I can't because Google grows more ass each passing day. That or I got holes in my brain.

If you use firefox you can play youtube videos in the browser and they work in the background and with your phone closed, that's how I use it mostly

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[Zoinks52]

If you use firefox you can play youtube videos in the browser and they work in the background and with your phone closed, that's how I use it mostly

Ah, no, I use Brave which does the same, thanks for the advice though.

I meant the manga panels of the scene. You see, I can only find the ones of when he did it versus Kaido.

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He did, but it didn't seem nearly as serious as when it happened against Kizaru. Iirc it was the same as when he used it for the first time against Kaido

Oh thank god, thought dementia got the better of me for a sec.

I'll check the scene out, maybe it's an ability that sacrifices lifespan for immediate vitality so he can't use it.

Maybe Law's fruit will be used to save Luffy's heart in the end.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

OH MAH GAWWDD!!! LUFFY WAS FRIGHTENED BY KAIDO!!! HE WASN'T THIS SCARED BY IMU!!

@Fujishiro BROO KAIDO > IMU CONFIRMED!?!?!?!11

He wasn’t frightened by Kaido here, he literally thought Kaido just hurt/killed his friends lmfao. That’s why he acted so extremely there. You have the reading comprehension of Stevie Wonder.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

@Elder Lee Hung
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/Op5oKX6B6F

Ohnonono but they told me he only reacted like this because of Sabaody PTSDs and not Kizaru strenght

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Elder Lee Hung
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/Op5oKX6B6F

Yeah this is actually a superb point. I mean it was already obvious but Luffy is confirming here that he has never been able to know who exactly he was sending before now. Ergo, he didn’t know he was sensing Kizaru specifically.

 

[MegaSpider]

It's safe to say Kizaru with awakening would've killed the whole crew.
Can't say the same about Gunko Imu, for now.

 

[God Buggy]

People really throw this term around often, but Kizaru is HIM

Maybe one day we get to see a serious Kizaru, but at this point I wouldn't bet on it.

It's also unclear what's necessary to take him down. He was fine at the end of Egghead. What's the level of damage he can take? No idea.

WB pirates thought their leader had taken care of Akainu with two enraged quake punches including one that split Marineford, Akainu was bleeding from his lips when he came back and had simply been chasing his objective (Luffy) from underground. He continued no problem.

Togen Totsuka and Kaido was really about to go down.

 

[S.W317]

I never really saw the Admirals as essential obstacles to overcome for the plot to move forward, more like near untouchable monsters that Oda brings in sparingly for impact. Akainu is the only Admiral who has to be overcome imo, really the only reason we discuss the others is because they come as part of a package deal.

I can see Kizaru still lingering around, displaying some power but never actually defeated in battle. Heck even Fujitora doesn't have defeat written on him. Really only Akainu is a guarantee, then Greenbull, but that would make Fuji the odd man out when he's part of that duo, so that's why it's my order of confidence. Kizaru is sort of just there to be this invincible character imo, he doesn't necessarily strike me as someone getting an all out showcase where he is giving it his all and falling, lowkey doesn't even suit his personality.

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The issue with this setup is it is very unlikely for Zoro to full out defeat someone of a similar caliber as Luffy, and Sanji doesn't get to join.

It's usually Zoro and Sanji's major opponents are comparable while Luffy fights someone well clear of them. The Admirals are just an odd bunch to squeeze into this, they don't fit any of the molds. I do think if Zoro is fighting one, then Sanji will be involved as well.

In my opinion, Usopp gets an insane haki boost unlocking AdCoC this arc along with Sanji, Usopp fights Greenbull and Sanji fights Kizaru while Zoro faces Fujitora.

Luffy vs Akainu
The rest of the straw hats fight the Admiral candidate Vice Admirals who have a name theme similar to the Admirals.

This is Akainu’s “pirate crew”

 

[Levi]

@MonsterKaido see how face scaling only works when it Benefits them 🤣

luffys reaction proves how much stronger kizaru is but akainu reaction to shanks showing up in MF doesn’t,even tho akainu was sweating bullets and had quivering lips.
Also his mouth was shut after screeching like a baboon about killing all pirates.


hypocrisy

 

[MonsterKaido]

@MonsterKaido see how face scaling only works when it Benefits them 🤣

luffys reaction proves how much stronger kizaru is but akainu reaction to shanks showing up in MF doesn’t,even tho akainu was sweating bullets and had quivering lips.
Also his mouth was shut after screeching like a baboon about killing all pirates.


hypocrisy

 

[mly90]

He lost just as much appeal getting squeezed like an ant alongside saturn coughing up blood from single grab in g5
He was never really worthy opponent for marimo with this level of fragility

 

[Ven437]

Kizaru was more scared of Wanji than Luffy was scared of Pizzaru he was about to rip his entire DF apart like a science textbook

 

[Juanpiz]

You forgot to mention that imu has 3 god knights and 2 majin amped 1.8 billion giants, who also have haki and powers that are using currently
While kizaru entered Egghead alone

You slacking lee

Fake where is the Majin stamp

 

[Shiroyru]

Luffy really shivered in that panel off Kizaru's presence (you could see the "SHVR!!" text). He had to compose himself to act, initial reaction tells you a lot about someone, It's not like Kizaru appeared infront of him or he even knew who it was to be this shocked, he's quite literally shivering off his presence. That was pure fear he displayed.

And Kizaru shat his pants when Nika showed up

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It makes sense, one is the World Government’s Greatest Military Power, and the other is “please give me the military of Elbaf to protect me from Fisher Tiger!”

Also, Imu is actively using his CoC while Luffy only sensed Kizaru’s presence, and yet still Luffy is more terrified of Big Business Borsalino.

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You're dismissing the simple fact that Luffy evolved to further your braindead admiral agenda.
Please invest in your trolling game, you fell off