Powers & Abilities Luffy's crew ought to surpass Rocks' crew: Sanji will definitely get conqueror's haki

Chad Jinbei: "I can't be scared by a mere Yonko."

Simpji: "No please don't do it I will go with you let me kick my captain first."
Sanji had enough willpower to take the pragmatic option instead of the easy one. To choose death and save his friends. That is willpower.
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By Sanji being handsome? They complimented Zoro's strength, the rare thing that is seeing him as something different than the captain, his killing intent, a willpower strong enough to chase eitehr die or accomplish his dream and then you have ppl like Yasui that ended up following him basically because of his charisma. Did they comment about Sanji regarding this things?

Fair point.

Being a protector doesn't mean that you have a lot of willpower. It just means that you are willing to protect the weaker. Which is basically Sanji's job in the crew. And well, i didn't see that willpower when he kicked Luffy. Someone with a lot of willpower will fight against something unfair. Sanji just went with it.

Sanji: "So he really does have the talent". Nothing spectacular.
Zoro: "That's what I expected from a guy who calls himself my captain".
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Like, look at his situation with Black Maria. Do you imagine Roger, WB, Oden, Luffy, Rayleigh... etc screaming "Robin help me". Yes, I know that she is a woman but what is he going to do? Use a selective CoC blast so he doesn't knock out women or is he going to knock them out just to cry after that?
Has Sanji's strength ever been complimented? Do you read the manga or....?

And also, Luffy screaming Robin help me? Um, yeah? One thing that defines conquerors is an unshakable will in their conviction.

My conviction is, "I won't hurt women." So I'll follow that where it leads. An idiot like you is gegging him to throw away his conviction, proving you're a spineless twat who knows nothing about pride, honor, or willpower.
 
By Sanji being handsome? They complimented Zoro's strength, the rare thing that is seeing him as something different than the captain, his killing intent, a willpower strong enough to chase eitehr die or accomplish his dream and then you have ppl like Yasui that ended up following him basically because of his charisma. Did they comment about Sanji regarding this things?
Why are you mentioning Zoro? If Zoro was ever captivating, what does that change about Sanji?
Gin, Violet, Pudding, Duval, G-5 sailors etc... They were all enemies who sympathized and were admired by Sanji's compassion, then they became allies of the mugiwaras
Even in the last chapter, the samurai were all admiring the will power Sanji has to fight, even after his captain's defeat was announced. Sanji just has all the qualities of a king

Being a protector doesn't mean that you have a lot of willpower. It just means that you are willing to protect the weaker. Which is basically Sanji's job in the crew.
Yes, it does. WB, Ace, Sabo... They are all conquerors who grew stronger because they aimed to protect those they love. And I've made several posts about these qualities, and how Sanji's strength always surfaced and he always sacrificed for the weaker

In addition, Sanji along with Zoro had their strengths of will highlighted when they were the only ones standing up wanting to give their lives for Luffy, after Kuma's attack

And well, i didn't see that willpower when he kicked Luffy. Someone with a lot of willpower will fight against something unfair. Sanji just went with it.
Well, Sanji wanted to save Zeff and he wanted to keep the mugiwaras safe. This doesn't set Sanji apart as a conqueror, Ace himself also wanted to sacrifice himself for the WB crew and didn't want them to fight for him in marineford


Sanji: "So he really does have the talent". Nothing spectacular.
Zoro: "That's what I expected from a guy who calls himself my captain".
I'm not just saying that (and your translation is wrong), I'm talking about how Zoro and Sanji are featured on the panel when CoC is used:





Like, look at his situation with Black Maria. Do you imagine Roger, WB, Oden, Luffy, Rayleigh... etc screaming "Robin help me". Yes, I know that she is a woman but what is he going to do?
Yes I Can. It's something Sanji trusted and gave other nakama confidence to do what he can't do, Robin herself was grateful about it.

Which reinforces the speech of ''I do what you can't, and you do what I can't'' which is a speech of a born leader, which reinforces the qualities of Sanji as a conqueror
 
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This is a foolish thought of Lanji's fans. He always had a pathetic portrayal by Oda compared to the portrayal of Conqueror Haki users.
Already in his introduction arc,Lanji witnessed the intensity of Zoro vs Mihawk and told Zoro to give up. A character like Teach or Kaido would never do that.
And in New World,Lanji's weakness is made even more clear. His family and Big Mom Pirates threatened Straw Hats because of him,and Lanji easily submitted himself to them. When Luffy went to rescue him,Lanji was so fearful that gave up on the crew and forced them to give up on him too,giving them a hate speech. He even beaten up his captain who was already very injured.
Lanji not have Conqueror Haki. He is too weak in every aspect for that.
 
I've decided to create this thread because a lot of people doubt whether Sanji will get CoC or not, and that seems strange to me. If you know me, then you know that I'm not a Sanji fan–not even close lol😂. I have no intention to hype or wank Sanji, I'm just saying what I think the story is heading towards. The question of Luffy having CoC users in his crew has come up before many times, and each time I've said that, at the very least, Zoro, Ussop and Sanji will get CoC haki. But, since Zoro has been confirmed to have it, I decided to expand on it in a specific topic. So, without further ado, let's get into it!

  • Rocks was the greatest pirate of all time
Since the first chapter of one piece people thought (including myself) that Roger [The Pirate King] was the greatest pirate of all time, but that is not true.

Later we found out that Rocks was even greater pirate than Roger, this dude had 4 confirmed CoC haki users in his crew. To put it into perspective, Roger had only two CoC haki users if you exclude Scopper Gaban, but even if Scopper Gaban had CoC haki, it still wouldn't be enough. Also, keep in mind that Shanks back then was just a kid, he didn't awaken CoC yet, but whatever. On top of that, Rocks also had Wang Zhi, Silver Axe and Captain John in his crew, and I can bet that they were also CoC haki users too. But that doesn't end there, there are slight hints in the story that Shanks and Buggy were actually born in Rocks' crew since both of them are 39 years old as of right now, and in Oden's flashback Roger said that "it has been long since he held children in his hands." And I'm not even going to include Katakuri since he was born in Rocks' crew, otherwise it would be too much for one captain...

With all do respect to Roger, but the only reason he became the pirate king is because he outlived Rocks. Roger didn't-and-couldn't overcome Rocks, Roger's crew wasn't good enough or strong enough. Roger himself probably wasn't as strong as Rocks since he needed Garp's help, who was btw equal to Roger, in order to defeat him.

This is what Chinjao said about the pirate king title.

Rocks was literally the conqueror of the conquerors, if Roger was the king of the pirates then Rocks was the God of the pirates. it's similar to the strongest swordsmen, if we can consider Mihawk as the king of the swordsmen then Ryuma was the god of the swordsmen, and we know that Zoro will surpass both of them, just like Luffy will surpass both Rocks and Roger.


  • The parallels/simuleretis between Luffy's crew and Rocks' crew.
Now, before I start, I wanna sincerely ask everyone to read this thread till the end before going nuts on me, ok! I know you guys will go crazy in just few seconds, but please bear with me😓. So, here we go...

I know, I know, I know... stop writing your angry comments and first listen to me, ok guys!? Just listen to me! 🙏 I'm sure that the half of this forum is not happy (to say the least lol) that I'm comparing Sanji to Whitbeard, so I'll start with Sanji first.

1. Both Sanji and Whitbeard are orphans, they were forced to fight for their lifes since their childhood, of course they were orphans for different reasons but that doesn't change the point.

2. Both Sanji and Whitbeard are famous for their incredible kindness, both of them showed kindness even to their enemies and those who betrayed them.


3. Both Whitbeard and Sanji don't have great ambitions, Whitbeard could have become the PK but he simply refused to. Sanji never wanted anything great for himself, he never had a great ambition just like Whitbeard.

Both Whitbeard and Sanji are being constantly made fun off because of their lack of ambitions. Whitbeard was made fun off by other pirates and Akainu while Sanji is being made fun of by Zoro and 95% of one piece fans.
4. Both Whitbeard and Sanji are blonde and have some type of facial hair in their faces.


1. Both Zoro and Kaido's characters are built around strength, both of them have similar thecniques: Kaido has three world ragnarok and Zoro has 3 thousand world.

Both of them use spinning motion in their thecniques.
2. Both Kaido and Zoro have Dragon theme to their characters. Oda even said that if Zoro had DF then it would be Kaido's DF.

3. Both Kaido and Zoro are famous alcoholics. In many ways they have similar personalitie etc.

1. Both Ussop and Shiki offered someone stronger than them to join their crew: Luffy and Roger.

2. Both Ussop and Shik are kind of a joke in their crews, both of them have similar personalitie.

3. Both Shiki and Ussop are famous for their huge fleet/ followers.


The simuleretis between Yamato and Big Mom are obvious so I'm not going to spend my time on it. But if Yamato doesn't join the crew then just replace her with Nami.

  • The hints and foreshadowings for Sanji's conqueror's haki.
There are two qualities that CoC haki users have: it's ether the ability to scare people like Zoro and Kaido, or the ability to gain followers even if you don't want them just like Oden and Luffy.

So, has Sanji ever shown one those qualities? Yes he does. Sanji has many times turned his enemies to his followers. For example:

1. Duvall who wanted to kill Sanji and the entire Luffy's crew eventually became so loyal to Sanji that he ended up guarding Luffy's ship for two fu*king years. Duvall is incredibly loyal follower, he's like Sanji's Kinemon at this point, he would easily sacrifice his life for Sanji.

2. Gin the guy who was famous for his coldblooded nature ended up sacrificing his life for Sanji. That's a very strong conqueror's haki right there!

This dude is so loyal to Sanji that he gave his gas mask to Sanji.
3.the G3 Marians ended up following Sanji just like many female characters like Viola or Pudding etc. You get the point...

Oda has actually introduced characters who would be Sanji and Zoro's right and left hand men if they were captains.

Gin would have been Sanji's right hand man and Duvall would have been his left hand man.

And the same for Zoro with his brothers...

So, in conclusion: whether you like or not, whether you hate it or not Sanji will get CoC haki. Sooner or later one way or another he will awaken his CoC and that's inevitable.
Sanji and WB's similarities are not that accurate imo, but it's actually much of a surprise for me how Zoro and Kaidou has so much in common. Alcoholic and strength-related titles...even Zoro's sword is fit to be filled by Azure Dragon DF. It's a good parallel imo, it's like you convinced me to believe in ZKK a lil bit more lol.

But that aside, i don't think Zoro will be WSC and i don't think Sanji will be WSM either. Imo being alcoholic and badass/savage would be all of Zoro-Kaidou parallel and being "orphaned" or selfless would be all of Sanji-WB parallel, since Luffy takes at least both PK and WSC strongest title.

That means a few possibilities:

- if Luffy beat BB (new WSM), Luffy get all three titles of PK-WSC-WSM. But imo that is overblown and unlikely. We usually want some competition for Luffy even at EoS at least from BB, not some Solo Leveling thats already boring since midgame.

- imo Sanji will not be WSM. Its a larger title compared to WSS, and Zoro is obviously depicted as stronger than Sanji. Imo Oda won't ever give this kind of twist that makes Sanji surpasses the Japanese Representative Zoro lol

- If Luffy only takes PK and WSC, BB keeps the WSM, Zoro being WSS, Sanji the most feared by Marine (? Whatever title it is) it may be the most balanced title to the world. But it means Luffy and co wont surpass Rocks does it?

- tldr i'm a bit conflicted about this. My fanboy side want Luffy to be PK-WSC while at the same time surpasses Rocks in individual strength, but my head said that Zoro and Sanji wont be WSC or WSM since it surpasses their dream/purpose in story, or have nothing to do with their dream or both, etc
 
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Sanji and WB's similarities are not that accurate imo, but it's actually much of a surprise for me how Zoro and Kaidou has so much in common. Alcoholic and strength-related titles...even Zoro's sword is fit to be filled by Azure Dragon DF. It's a good parallel imo, it's like you convinced me to believe in ZKK a lil bit more lol.

But that aside, i don't think Zoro will be WSC and i don't think Sanji will be WSM either. Imo being alcoholic and badass/savage would be all of Zoro-Kaidou parallel and being "orphaned" or selfless would be all of Sanji-WB parallel, since Luffy takes at least both PK and WSC strongest title.

That means a few possibilities:

- if Luffy beat BB (new WSM), Luffy get all three titles of PK-WSC-WSM. But imo that is overblown and unlikely. We usually want some competition for Luffy even at EoS at least from BB, not some Solo Leveling thats already boring since midgame.

- imo Sanji will not be WSM. Its a larger title compared to WSS, and Zoro is obviously depicted as stronger than Sanji. Imo Oda won't ever give this kind of twist that makes Sanji surpasses the Japanese Representative Zoro lol

- If Luffy only takes PK and WSC, BB keeps the WSM, Zoro being WSS, Sanji the most feared by Marine (? Whatever title it is) it may be the most balanced title to the world.
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Sanji and WB's similarities are not that accurate imo, but it's actually much of a surprise for me how Zoro and Kaidou has so much in common. Alcoholic and strength-related titles...even Zoro's sword is fit to be filled by Azure Dragon DF. It's a good parallel imo, it's like you convinced me to believe in ZKK a lil bit more lol.

But that aside, i don't think Zoro will be WSC and i don't think Sanji will be WSM either. Imo being alcoholic and badass/savage would be all of Zoro-Kaidou parallel and being "orphaned" or selfless would be all of Sanji-WB parallel, since Luffy takes at least both PK and WSC strongest title.

That means a few possibilities:

- if Luffy beat BB (new WSM), Luffy get all three titles of PK-WSC-WSM. But imo that is overblown and unlikely. We usually want some competition for Luffy even at EoS at least from BB, not some Solo Leveling thats already boring since midgame.

- imo Sanji will not be WSM. Its a larger title compared to WSS, and Zoro is obviously depicted as stronger than Sanji. Imo Oda won't ever give this kind of twist that makes Sanji surpasses the Japanese Representative Zoro lol

- If Luffy only takes PK and WSC, BB keeps the WSM, Zoro being WSS, Sanji the most feared by Marine (? Whatever title it is) it may be the most balanced title to the world. But it means Luffy and co wont surpass Rocks does it?
Agreed. Note that you sent the same message twice.
 
Sanji has shown many traits for COC and recent chapter shows him on how he leading army and giving them hope after they were scared after the announcements. Saying Sanji doesn't have leadership like a COC user is just being biased and dumb about how he been as he been in charge and leading people during time of crisis like them and fighting strong enemies.
 
Sanji has shown many traits for COC and recent chapter shows him on how he leading army and giving them hope after they were scared after the announcements. Saying Sanji doesn't have leadership like a COC user is just being biased and dumb about how he been as he been in charge and leading people during time of crisis like them and fighting strong enemies.
Being able to leader ppl isn't the only quality. A lot of characters were shown to be good at being a leader but that doesn't mean that they have CoC.
 
Being able to leader ppl isn't the only quality. A lot of characters were shown to be good at being a leader but that doesn't mean that they have CoC.
It is one as why you think it is called 'Conqueror's Haki' as Conqueror's are natural born leaders and Sanji leading the group when they have their wills like that and encourage them by saving them and telling not to give up is leadership quality. Saying that isn't COC trait makes you clearly blind, not truthful.
 
It is one as why you think it is called 'Conqueror's Haki' as Conqueror's are natural born leaders and Sanji leading the group when they have their wills like that and encourage them by saving them and telling not to give up is leadership quality. Saying that isn't COC trait makes you clearly blind, not truthful.
You are the blind one tbh. I didn't say that it isn't a CoC, I just said that it isn't the only important trait.
 
I've decided to create this thread because a lot of people doubt whether Sanji will get CoC or not, and that seems strange to me. If you know me, then you know that I'm not a Sanji fan–not even close lol😂. I have no intention to hype or wank Sanji, I'm just saying what I think the story is heading towards. The question of Luffy having CoC users in his crew has come up before many times, and each time I've said that, at the very least, Zoro, Ussop and Sanji will get CoC haki. But, since Zoro has been confirmed to have it, I decided to expand on it in a specific topic. So, without further ado, let's get into it!

  • Rocks was the greatest pirate of all time
Since the first chapter of one piece people thought (including myself) that Roger [The Pirate King] was the greatest pirate of all time, but that is not true.

Later we found out that Rocks was even greater pirate than Roger, this dude had 4 confirmed CoC haki users in his crew. To put it into perspective, Roger had only two CoC haki users if you exclude Scopper Gaban, but even if Scopper Gaban had CoC haki, it still wouldn't be enough. Also, keep in mind that Shanks back then was just a kid, he didn't awaken CoC yet, but whatever. On top of that, Rocks also had Wang Zhi, Silver Axe and Captain John in his crew, and I can bet that they were also CoC haki users too. But that doesn't end there, there are slight hints in the story that Shanks and Buggy were actually born in Rocks' crew since both of them are 39 years old as of right now, and in Oden's flashback Roger said that "it has been long since he held children in his hands." And I'm not even going to include Katakuri since he was born in Rocks' crew, otherwise it would be too much for one captain...

With all do respect to Roger, but the only reason he became the pirate king is because he outlived Rocks. Roger didn't-and-couldn't overcome Rocks, Roger's crew wasn't good enough or strong enough. Roger himself probably wasn't as strong as Rocks since he needed Garp's help, who was btw equal to Roger, in order to defeat him.

This is what Chinjao said about the pirate king title.

Rocks was literally the conqueror of the conquerors, if Roger was the king of the pirates then Rocks was the God of the pirates. it's similar to the strongest swordsmen, if we can consider Mihawk as the king of the swordsmen then Ryuma was the god of the swordsmen, and we know that Zoro will surpass both of them, just like Luffy will surpass both Rocks and Roger.


  • The parallels/simuleretis between Luffy's crew and Rocks' crew.
Now, before I start, I wanna sincerely ask everyone to read this thread till the end before going nuts on me, ok! I know you guys will go crazy in just few seconds, but please bear with me😓. So, here we go...

I know, I know, I know... stop writing your angry comments and first listen to me, ok guys!? Just listen to me! 🙏 I'm sure that the half of this forum is not happy (to say the least lol) that I'm comparing Sanji to Whitbeard, so I'll start with Sanji first.

1. Both Sanji and Whitbeard are orphans, they were forced to fight for their lifes since their childhood, of course they were orphans for different reasons but that doesn't change the point.

2. Both Sanji and Whitbeard are famous for their incredible kindness, both of them showed kindness even to their enemies and those who betrayed them.


3. Both Whitbeard and Sanji don't have great ambitions, Whitbeard could have become the PK but he simply refused to. Sanji never wanted anything great for himself, he never had a great ambition just like Whitbeard.

Both Whitbeard and Sanji are being constantly made fun off because of their lack of ambitions. Whitbeard was made fun off by other pirates and Akainu while Sanji is being made fun of by Zoro and 95% of one piece fans.
4. Both Whitbeard and Sanji are blonde and have some type of facial hair in their faces.


1. Both Zoro and Kaido's characters are built around strength, both of them have similar thecniques: Kaido has three world ragnarok and Zoro has 3 thousand world.

Both of them use spinning motion in their thecniques.
2. Both Kaido and Zoro have Dragon theme to their characters. Oda even said that if Zoro had DF then it would be Kaido's DF.

3. Both Kaido and Zoro are famous alcoholics. In many ways they have similar personalitie etc.

1. Both Ussop and Shiki offered someone stronger than them to join their crew: Luffy and Roger.

2. Both Ussop and Shik are kind of a joke in their crews, both of them have similar personalitie.

3. Both Shiki and Ussop are famous for their huge fleet/ followers.


The simuleretis between Yamato and Big Mom are obvious so I'm not going to spend my time on it. But if Yamato doesn't join the crew then just replace her with Nami.

  • The hints and foreshadowings for Sanji's conqueror's haki.
There are two qualities that CoC haki users have: it's ether the ability to scare people like Zoro and Kaido, or the ability to gain followers even if you don't want them just like Oden and Luffy.

So, has Sanji ever shown one those qualities? Yes he does. Sanji has many times turned his enemies to his followers. For example:

1. Duvall who wanted to kill Sanji and the entire Luffy's crew eventually became so loyal to Sanji that he ended up guarding Luffy's ship for two fu*king years. Duvall is incredibly loyal follower, he's like Sanji's Kinemon at this point, he would easily sacrifice his life for Sanji.

2. Gin the guy who was famous for his coldblooded nature ended up sacrificing his life for Sanji. That's a very strong conqueror's haki right there!

This dude is so loyal to Sanji that he gave his gas mask to Sanji.
3.the G3 Marians ended up following Sanji just like many female characters like Viola or Pudding etc. You get the point...

Oda has actually introduced characters who would be Sanji and Zoro's right and left hand men if they were captains.

Gin would have been Sanji's right hand man and Duvall would have been his left hand man.

And the same for Zoro with his brothers...

So, in conclusion: whether you like or not, whether you hate it or not Sanji will get CoC haki. Sooner or later one way or another he will awaken his CoC and that's inevitable.
Yeah you forgot that zoro and kaido have prosti......on their sides👀
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But yeah this is another Zoro=Sanji thread :few:
 
You are the blind one tbh. I didn't say that it isn't a CoC, I just said that it isn't the only important trait.
It is important one and your kinda on denial about it.
Yeah you forgot that zoro and kaido have prosti......on their sides👀
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But yeah this is another Zoro=Sanji thread :few:
The goal on having used prostitutes actually mean something. Didn't know using women like that is a feat when reality it's dumb.
 
Not the only important one. You should rlly re-read my message
Zoro does not satisfy all of the traits too. You need to have few of ambition, genetics, leadership etc. Zoro has ambition, Sanji has genetics and leadership.
If being rich (Chinjao) or ripping off slave traders for buying alcohol (Rayleigh) are considered as more of an ambition than finding a mythical sea, I don’t know what to say lol :D You may even argue that Sanji has ambition, since his dream is the only one among Straw Hats (actually you may consider Chopper’s as well) that may or may not happen at the end of the journey. Luffy wants to be PK, Zoro wants to be WSS, Nami wants to draw the map of world etc. They exist, they have been done before or they refer to something that can physically be achievable. Finding a mythical sea where no one has ever visited before or finding a cure for all diseases differ from them. That is one thing I admire Sanji and Chopper for.
 
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