I don't know, look at The Porn Industry, most of it is fake, Rick Ross is a Cop, John Wayne is a draft dodger, Dream Cheated , Clinton did have a relationship with that woman, at some point you gotta accept the Lies of Society

What I am trying to say is Who Cares
Baby, who cares?
But I know you care
Bring it over to my place
You don't know what you did, did to me
Your body language speaks to me
I don't know what you did, did to me
Your body language speaks to me
what the hell are u talking about jesse
 

Finalbeta

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and im saying u arent even allowed to expect that; esp if youve really hurt these ppl as hard as they say

u cant punch someone at the playground and then hope they want to play with u years later

what im saying is they dont owe u anything and therefore u shouldnt expect anything or complain if u dont get anything (sympathy or forgiveness or mafia perms or whatever)

but that's exactly what youre doing here by saying "cmon ppl i've changed why cant u open your minds and let me play mafia"

also it's vaguely manipulative of u to be like "oh i wont join unless ppl want me to" and then also say "bruh i just wanna play mafia again why cant ppl forgive me and let me play again"
And yet this is meant to be a public place where forum rules should dictate whether or not one can play.

They are depriving me of a right I should have independently from the fact I have done damage to them in the past.

They prefer to remain in the comfort zone even if that is not the most moral thing to do.

They are not paladins of what is right or wrong, but they pretend that, despite I have changed and so many years have passed, I'm still so low to play with them.
 

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And yet this is meant to be a public place where forum rules should dictate whether or not one can play.

They are depriving me of a right I should have independently from the fact I have done damage to them in the past.

They prefer to remain in the comfort zone even if that is not the most moral thing to do.

They are not paladins of what is right or wrong, but they pretend that, despite I have changed and so many years have passed, I'm still so low to play with them.
what part of ''permanent ban'' was hard for you to understand?
 
And yet this is meant to be a public place where forum rules should dictate whether or not one can play.

They are depriving me of a right I should have independently from the fact I have done damage to them in the past.

They prefer to remain in the comfort zone even if that is not the most moral thing to do.

They are not paladins of what is right or wrong, but they pretend that, despite I have changed and so many years have passed, I'm still so low to play with them.
youre banned from mafia right? or no?

cuz not being allowed to play is sort of what "ban" means.

also no i dont think it's the most moral thing to do to let you play and that we're doing u an injustice by not letting u play cuz i dont think ppl owe u anything so there is no disservice
 
what the hell are u talking about jesse
What I am trying to say here Jimmy is that the Devil has been spreading lies through society since The Days of Adam, it's something we always have and always will deal with, in the end of the day men in this modern day have to deal with the fact that the pale petite egirl they simped so hard for to in dms, bought Nitro for, busted nuts to, had cheesy ass Matching avatar with, was in fact a bearded black man, spending a decade being insecure about it will only make things worse, like when in 1998 The Undertaker Threw Mankind off hell in a cell and Plummeted sixteen feet through an announce table
 
The way I see it is a mafia section of a forum is a community. It’s effectively a social club. If a person is causing for some reason, a large number of other players to not have fun then that alone is grounds for not wanting to have them in the games. It would then be up to the section leaders to decide if it’s preferable to suffer that harm to community enjoyability or keep that person anyway.

Thats why people get banned for cheating, being overly toxic, game throwing, etc as well. (Ie ruining a game and making it not fun for other people). Hell, a person elsewhere got banned from a subsection for making 500 IQ plays lol, and it was simply a matter of them saying they didn’t want to play with someone doing that.
 

Finalbeta

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i keep saying it but u keep playing the victim like we're the bad guys for depriving u of mafia

youre the one who got banned

we dont owe u anything
I'm banned because a significant number of players don't want to play with me but I have not broken any Mafia rules that would warrant such ban to be in place.

I don't think this is the most moral position such players can have, unless forum rules can become trivial and this section is officially a privatized circle.

Or is the fault of the moderators who banned me and that's all? I don't think so.
 
im sorry that it seems cruel

im sorry that u feel wronged and entitled to a second chance and that u feel like ppl are being too close-minded to give u the second chance u feel u deserve

but you havent been wronged by your victims it's the other way around. you are in debt to them for the harm u caused. they have no debts to u. forgiveness is a gift they have to be willing to give and if they arent willing to give it then tough beans, kid. but like no forgiveness is not a moral dilemma. forgiveness is not something that the victims owe their aggressors. and you have no right to play victim here and act like they're the ones in the wrong for choosing to not give u a second chance when u burned the bridge to begin with.
 

Finalbeta

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im sorry that it seems cruel

im sorry that u feel wronged and entitled to a second chance and that u feel like ppl are being too close-minded to give u the second chance u feel u deserve

but you havent been wronged by your victims it's the other way around. you are in debt to them for the harm u caused. they have no debts to u. forgiveness is a gift they have to be willing to give and if they arent willing to give it then tough beans, kid. but like no forgiveness is not a moral dilemma. forgiveness is not something that the victims owe their aggressors. and you have no right to play victim here and act like they're the ones in the wrong for choosing to not give u a second chance when u burned the bridge to begin with.
Forgiveness =/= Giving me the chance to play here.
 
What I am trying to say here Jimmy is that the Devil has been spreading lies through society since The Days of Adam, it's something we always have and always will deal with, in the end of the day men in this modern day have to deal with the fact that the pale petite egirl they simped so hard for to in dms, bought Nitro for, busted nuts to, had cheesy ass Matching avatar with, was in fact a bearded black man, spending a decade being insecure about it will only make things worse, like when in 1998 The Undertaker Threw Mankind off hell in a cell and Plummeted sixteen feet through an announce table
oh ok thx dad that makes a lot more sense (?)
 
I find it cute how people are giving their opinions on the issue :optimistic:


Little do they know - the moment al and ratchet said no, beta fate was already sealed....there was nothing to discuss after that.
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No system made by man is immune to destruction at the hands of men.
 
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