General & Others Main duo + stand out

[Superior to you]

Never said they’re all the same exact situation either
Yamato was a member of the beast pirates the same way Koby was a member of the alvida pirates. Kaido even planned to have Yamato take over wano even if it was by force

Oden, ace, sabo, and Yamato are all still the standouts of the crews. All becoming truly relevant to the crews after each was already established along with the duo

Roger got oden who was obviously more important than Rayleigh during his time as a Roger pirate
We don’t know the future of the kid (or heart) pirates. Tbh I just listed them to make it a clean 10. As for beckman for all we know roux could be the gaban equivalent of the crew. We don’t know yet

And the kid and red haired pirates aren’t the strawhats. Kid doesn’t have a sanji equivalent and like I said we technically don’t know yet for shanks.
Zoro and Sanji are luffy’s top 2 guys he relies on

1st. Oden was less important than Robin. He is what we call a MacGuffin something (as an object) in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion despite usually lacking intrinsic importance. He was not a Roger Pirate more WB Pirate.

2nd. Zoro is partner to Luffy Just like Rayleigh & Killer. Marco is not a partner he is a son, just like Katakuri. Oden was more of a partner to WB. Wb said i will not call you my son but little brother. Its obvious What Oda was doing. Oden would be a partner to WB Just like Zoro is or Rayleigh or Killer if he continued to sail together with WB. He would get stronger & reach Rayleigh lvl or Eos Zoro. but it was cut short by Kaido so he didnt fullfill his full potential.

 

[Shasha23]

Again
I’m not using the captain

4. No kid does not have a zoro and sanji or king and queen equivalent in his crew lol. Killer and heat are in no way a comparable duo. Hating Sanji doesn’t change the fact that zoro and sanji are his too 2 main men
5. Again the red haired pirates aren’t the strawhats. Zoro will surpass beckman yes that still doesn’t change that they don’t have the same relationship with their captains or the rest of the crew. Luffy doesn’t prioritize him over the rest of the crew and he doesn’t have more say than any of the other members

4. They are since they are the ones who always are shown advising Kid or giving us exposition, also the main advisers of Luffy are Zoro and Nami, Sanji is just the rd strongest of the crew.
5. The SHP arent the Beast Pirates or Roger Pirates, yeap the relationship between Luffy and Zoro is far more similar to Kid and Killer, nope Luffy does trust in Zoro more than the rest as it has been pointed out many times over especially when it comes to fighting, also Zoro and Nami have more say so than anyone other than Luffy in the crew

 

[Albino 👑]

1st. Oden was less important than Robin. He is what we call a MacGuffin something (as an object) in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion despite usually lacking intrinsic importance. He was not a Roger Pirate more WB Pirate.

2nd. Zoro is partner to Luffy Just like Rayleigh & Killer. Marco is not a partner he is a son, just like Katakuri. Oden was more of a partner to WB. Wb said i will not call you my son but little brother. Its obvious What Oda was doing. Oden would be a partner to WB Just like Zoro is or Rayleigh or Killer if he continued to sail together with WB. He would get stronger & reach Rayleigh lvl or Eos Zoro. but it was cut short by Kaido so he didnt fullfill his full potential.

Oden was a roger pirate either way lol

No
Zoro is not more important to luffy than any other member. Zoro does not have more say over the decisions of the crew than anyone else. Him initially being against or arguing about whether or not they should help nami, Robin, or sanji doesn’t matter. Him telling Sanji not to go on the sea train doesn’t matter
He has no actual position of power above the rest of the crew at all. All he can do is give his opinion just like the rest. Whether or not luffy or the rest of the crew agrees doesn’t change that

4. They are since they are the ones who always are shown advising Kid or giving us exposition, also the main advisers of Luffy are Zoro and Nami, Sanji is just the rd strongest of the crew.
5. The SHP arent the Beast Pirates or Roger Pirates, yeap the relationship between Luffy and Zoro is far more similar to Kid and Killer, nope Luffy does trust in Zoro more than the rest as it has been pointed out many times over especially when it comes to fighting, also Zoro and Nami have more say so than anyone other than Luffy in the crew

Zoro and Sanji are his top men

• Luffy was split up the crew in 3 pre timeskip with zoro and sanji leading their own groups (sabaody)
• Zoro and sanji were both highlighted as soon as we returned from the timeskip through fmi
• Sanji lead the swirlyhat pirates out of dressrosa
• Zoro and Sanji beat kaido’s main duo king and queen in onigashima. They were also labeled as the wings of the pirate king

Nami obviously isn’t the queen, gaban, ivankov, jozu, etc equivalent of the crew

 

[Himura]

Wtf, this is just a random. How can even be identical for example Kuzan and Beckman? Beckman is typical YFM. He is comparable to Shiryu, Kuzan is a bigger person and more standalone than both YFM combined.

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro and Sanji are his top men

• Luffy was split up the crew in 3 pre timeskip with zoro and sanji leading their own groups (sabaody)
• Zoro and sanji were both highlighted as soon as we returned from the timeskip through fmi
• Sanji lead the swirlyhat pirates out of dressrosa
• Zoro and Sanji beat kaido’s main duo king and queen in onigashima. They were also labeled as the wings of the pirate king

Nami obviously isn’t the queen, gaban, ivankov, jozu, etc equivalent of the crew

no, Zoro and Sanji are just the strongest after him that's all!

• yes because Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were the 3 strongest
• nope, everyone was highlighted for how strong they had gotten, this was stated by Luffy
• yet he along with everyone there did as Nami ordered
• there is no panel in the manga that has called Zoro as such, again since you dont seem to understand ill remind you that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji fight the top 3 of the saga antagonists, it has been that way for years so how and why are you even debating this?

Nami has more say so than Sanji in the crew you clown, but Sanji is stronger.

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

Again
I’m not using the captain

1. Ace and sabo still were/were stand outs
2. Oden being part of whitebeard crew originally doesn’t change the fact he became an extremely important member of the roger pirates
3. Yamato was a beast pirate even if it was by force and that’s the comparison I’m making
4. No kid does not have a zoro and sanji or king and queen equivalent in his crew lol. Killer and heat are in no way a comparable duo. Hating Sanji doesn’t change the fact that zoro and sanji are his too 2 main men
5. Again the red haired pirates aren’t the strawhats. Zoro will surpass beckman yes that still doesn’t change that they don’t have the same relationship with their captains or the rest of the crew. Luffy doesn’t prioritize him over the rest of the crew and he doesn’t have more say than any of the other members

And again you used the captain a main duo and a standout.
I am saying that a duo between captain and fm could be more accurate as a term than a main duo if we put terms on this.
1. Sabo and ace aren't because at the moment would reach their prime their whole crew would be retired old people.
2. Oden being special help to roger doesn't make him a crew standout.
3. Yamato would never do the things that her father wanted, that's not in the manga. She is a strawhat and not a standout.
4. I am not hating on sanji it seems you have confused reliability with pl and we are not talking about that. You downplay heat for your reasons but he is sanji in kid's crew. Seriously how on earth did you come up with this?
5. Your reasoning here is lost somewhere.
Even if i disagree with this, that has nothing to do with your thread and the standouts.
You are misstepped in this one. None of the other standouts seems to have authority over the other crew members.
I will say it again, it is a proven fact that zoro and Beckman are the moons of shanks and Luffy and that is a reason to have a standout but i don't think you like it.

 

[Albino 👑]

Wtf, this is just a random. How can even be identical for example Kuzan and Beckman? Beckman is typical YFM. He is comparable to Shiryu, Kuzan is a bigger person and more standalone than both YFM combined.

They’re different crews
Tho I could be wrong about beckman and roux. Maybe they are more like Rayleigh and gaban + zoro and sanji. We know roux is the combatant and cook of the crew. It’d be funny if kinda like base Sanji is closer to Jinbe and exo Sanji to Zoro if roux was the same way. Like if fat roux is close to yasopp but if he had a thin form closer to beckman
Either way idk if shanks will get a subordinate as strong as Kuzan. Tho if he and buggy allie they’d be closer in strength to the bbp together

 

[Superior to you]

Oden was a roger pirate either way lol

No
Zoro is not more important to luffy than any other member. Zoro does not have more say over the decisions of the crew than anyone else. Him initially being against or arguing about whether or not they should help nami, Robin, or sanji doesn’t matter. Him telling Sanji not to go on the sea train doesn’t matter
He has no actual position of power above the rest of the crew at all. All he can do is give his opinion just like the rest. Whether or not luffy or the rest of the crew agrees doesn’t change that

Lol is not an answer Ignoramus, and you missed the point of my entire post. For Captain & Partner. Marco was not WB partner Nor was Katakuri, they were children. Oden was WB Partner, but it was short & he didnt fulfil his full potential
Comparing 1st commander & 2nd commander of Yonkos to partners like Zoro Rayleigh Killer Beckman is showing lack of reading comprehention. In difference between Crew Dynamics.
I can easily say Rocks=Luffy WB=Zoro Shiki=Sanji & it has more proof this last chapter, when shiki said said he dosent take orders from WB it the same Zoro Sanji Dynamic & it make more sense than your Post.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

albino mastered the art of baiting
icl he wasnt this good years ago

 

[Cruxroux]

Zoro and Sanji are his top men

Zoro and Luffy are top men's.

 

[Julius]

Zorotards lack basic interpretation skills, hoo lee sheet

 

[langitbarat]

That's not what i was saying and also we have the manga to back up my claim, all characters who have reached the very top of the verse all have advCoC, not 1 character who is truly strong doesnt have advCoC.

Chinjao has normal CoC so i dont get your point.............

You're implying that ACoC users > anyone else without exceptions.

This is fundamentally wrong because there's exceptions to everything. Not mention it's unbalanced, thus it will be a bad writing if Oda did that.

Also the Admirals have yet to be confirmed to have ACoC.

 

[Shasha23]

You're implying that ACoC users > anyone else without exceptions.

This is fundamentally wrong because there's exceptions to everything. Not mention it's unbalanced, thus it will be a bad writing if Oda did that.

Also the Admirals have yet to be confirmed to have ACoC.

Yes because there has never been any character without advCoC who reached the very top of the verse

There is no exception, all the very strongest all had advCoC, and none who dont have it even come close, also its not bad writing since advCoC is the ability only the very strongest have.

Admirals are strong but they are still far off from the strength implications of all advCoC users, the admirals for now are comparable to Luffy and stronger than Zoro and Yamato, and even then that's just for now

 

[[No Name]]

no, Zoro and Sanji are just the strongest after him that's all!

• yes because Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were the 3 strongest
• nope, everyone was highlighted for how strong they had gotten, this was stated by Luffy
• yet he along with everyone there did as Nami ordered
• there is no panel in the manga that has called Zoro as such, again since you dont seem to understand ill remind you that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji fight the top 3 of the saga antagonists, it has been that way for years so how and why are you even debating this?

Nami has more say so than Sanji in the crew you clown, but Sanji is stronger.

Sanji Is the chief of staff of the crew according to vivrecard.
一瞬の機転で時に一味の 窮地を救う。 参謀的存在に

 

[Guymieux]

Sanji Is the chief of staff of the crew according to vivrecard.
一瞬の機転で時に一味の 窮地を救う。 参謀的存在に

At least with zoro oda has characters call him first mate in the story and Oda drew zoro with the other first mates / vice captains in a cover page . Where the fuck are you pulling this diet of staff bullshit from? Your ass?

 

[[No Name]]

At least with zoro oda has characters call him first mate in the story and Oda drew zoro with the other first mates / vice captains in a cover page . Where the fuck are you pulling this diet of staff bullshit from? Your ass?

As I said f*cking vivrecard, not my ass, Lafitte Is chief of staff in the BB pirates as well.
And in the manga Sanji alongside Zoro Is the wings of pirate King.

 

[Guymieux]

As I said f*cking vivrecard, not my ass, Lafitte Is chief of staff in the BB pirates as well.
And in the manga Sanji alongside Zoro Is the wings of pirate King.

Wings my ass post some feats

 

[Shasha23]

Wings my ass post some feats

just ignore that clown, he is making up random shit again

 

[langitbarat]

There is no exception, all the very strongest all had advCoC, and none who dont have it even come close

the admirals for now are comparable to Luffy and stronger than Zoro and Yamato, and even then that's just for now

You're contradicting yourself dude.

Also in case you didn't know, CoC is based on fate/destiny/luck, not "if x becomes this strong, they awaken CoC".

 

[Shasha23]

You're contradicting yourself dude.

Also in case you didn't know, CoC is based on fate/destiny/luck, not "if x becomes this strong, they awaken CoC".

nope, since Luffy, Zoro and Yamato are far off from their peak, once they reach it they will also be far above the admirals like every other advCoC user.

• Those with stronger haki >
• advCoC is the haki used by the very strongest
• the very strongest all use advCoC and not a single none advCoC has been able to compare
• The more the story went on the more it became painfully obvious that you are born to be strong because of some inherited will B.S, so yeap those born with CoC will naturally be strong and those that can use advCoC will be the very strongest

If im wrong name one character that doesnt have advCoC but could rival Kaidou for example