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[Kishido]

Why is there Yamato in the debate? Has she left Wano already and will join together with Shirahoshi, Viola, Boa, Momonosuke, Kinemon and Co?

 

[langitbarat]

nope, since Luffy, Zoro and Yamato are far off from their peak, once they reach it they will also be far above the admirals like every other advCoC user.

• Those with stronger haki >
• advCoC is the haki used by the very strongest
• the very strongest all use advCoC and not a single none advCoC has been able to compare
• The more the story went on the more it became painfully obvious that you are born to be strong because of some inherited will B.S, so yeap those born with CoC will naturally be strong and those that can use advCoC will be the very strongest

If im wrong name one character that doesnt have advCoC but could rival Kaidou for example

So you need to create a condition for your scenario to happen. The fact that at any point in time, there's a non-ACoC users that is stronger than ACoC users (Admirals vs Yamato for example), is conveniently ignored?

I'm not trying to downplay ACoC users, it's your logic that is flawed.

Your logic will be correct if by the time someone can use ACoC, they would be straight away > non ACoC users without question. But that didn't happen, when Zoro/Yamato can use ACoC, they didn't automatically be > Kizaru/Aokiji for example.

 

[Shasha23]

So you need to create a condition for your scenario to happen. The fact that at any point in time, there's a non-ACoC users that is stronger than ACoC users (Admirals vs Yamato for example), is conveniently ignored?

I'm not trying to downplay ACoC users, it's your logic that is flawed.

Your logic will be correct if by the time someone can use ACoC, they would be straight away > non ACoC users without question. But that didn't happen, when Zoro/Yamato can use ACoC, they didn't automatically be > Kizaru/Aokiji for example.

Oda has already did that by proving my point!

when did i ignore it? i think the problem is you cant and dont want to accept the reality Oda has made clear for you.

how is my logic flawed when the manga backsup what im saying?
to me and everyone else you are the one sounding delusional because you cant accept reality.

So now you admit im right at least
yeap Luffy, Zoro and Yamato are not at their peak yet, who knows maybe Yamato will never leave Wano and thus not reach her full potential come EoS and disprove me but for now you and i know that none advCoC user can never reach the absolute top

 

[langitbarat]

Oda has already did that by proving my point!

when did i ignore it? i think the problem is you cant and dont want to accept the reality Oda has made clear for you.

how is my logic flawed when the manga backsup what im saying?
to me and everyone else you are the one sounding delusional because you cant accept reality.

So now you admit im right at least
yeap Luffy, Zoro and Yamato are not at their peak yet, who knows maybe Yamato will never leave Wano and thus not reach her full potential come EoS and disprove me but for now you and i know that none advCoC user can never reach the absolute top

I'm delusional about what? Like I said sir, I'm not downplaying ACoC users, I'm criticizing your logic. Pointing out your flaws =/= not acknowledging ACoC is top tiers.

The manga has yet to confirm that Admirals can use ACoC, so you're definitely wrong about ACoC > non-ACoC characters. This is canon. So I can also use your "the Manga backs me up & Oda proves my point".

Your logic won't be flawed if zoro/yamato/BM is > Aokiji/Kizaru by the time they can use ACoC.

 

[Shasha23]

I'm delusional about what? Like I said sir, I'm not downplaying ACoC users, I'm criticizing your logic. Pointing out your flaws =/= not acknowledging ACoC is top tiers.

The manga has yet to confirm that Admirals can use ACoC, so you're definitely wrong about ACoC > non-ACoC characters. This is canon. So I can also use your "the Manga backs me up & Oda proves my point".

Your logic won't be flawed if zoro/yamato/BM is > Aokiji/Kizaru by the time they can use ACoC.

you keep going on and on about flaws and whatnot but you cant even disprove what i have said since the manga is clear proof of what i have said!

what point in the manga proves anything you have said?

Nothing is said is flawed since its an absolute fact!

 

[langitbarat]

you keep going on and on about flaws and whatnot but you cant even disprove what i have said since the manga is clear proof of what i have said!

what point in the manga proves anything you have said?

Nothing is said is flawed since its an absolute fact!

The manga only proves that all ACoC users are top tier.

It doesn't prove your "ACoC users > all non ACoC users".

Why? Because the manga hasn't shown that the admirals is having ACoC (canon) and that some ACoC user are weaker than admirals (canon).

 

[Albino 👑]

The manga only proves that all ACoC users are top tier.

It doesn't prove your "ACoC users > all non ACoC users".

Why? Because the manga hasn't shown that the admirals is having ACoC (canon) and that some ACoC user are weaker than admirals (canon).

Blackbeard probably isn’t even going to have it

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The manga only proves that all ACoC users are top tier.

It doesn't prove your "ACoC users > all non ACoC users".

Why? Because the manga hasn't shown that the admirals is having ACoC (canon) and that some ACoC user are weaker than admirals (canon).

Yeah Idk if it’s a language thing but either people misread or misunderstood Kaidos quote:

“Handful of the strongest” literally says that there are members of the strongest that don’t have CoC coating.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The manga only proves that all ACoC users are top tier.

It doesn't prove your "ACoC users > all non ACoC users".

Why? Because the manga hasn't shown that the admirals is having ACoC (canon) and that some ACoC user are weaker than admirals (canon).

it doesnt even prove all acoc users are top tier
it just implies even amongst the very strongest only a few have the ability to coat their attacks in conquerors.

 

[[No Name]]

just ignore that clown, he is making up random shit again

Which random shit did I ever make up

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I'd call them wildcards, but neither Benn, Killer, Bepo fulfill this role nor does Cross Guild abide to such a system. I don't count Yamato as a Beast Pirate, but she would definitely be Kaido's wildcard if she's a proper member.

 

[Albino 👑]

I'd call them wildcards, but neither Benn, Killer, Bepo fulfill this role nor does Cross Guild abide to such a system. I don't count Yamato as a Beast Pirate, but she would definitely be Kaido's wildcard if she's a proper member.

Yeah tbh those three were the ones I was least sure of listing as well since they don’t fully fit the pattern.
The way I see it even tho Yamato didn’t really claim the beast pirates they pretty much all saw Yamato as a member of their group. Yeah kaido did it by force but still.
Plus Yamato lowkey mirrors both ace and oden in the group

 

[Loki D. Terror]