Questions & Mysteries Marco's role in wano?

[Lunaria]

For almost all of those arcs except for dressrosa, you only had one main faction who was involved in the fighting: the straw hats.

Wano kuni is a war between multiple factions against an enemy with multiple factions. The whole "Zoro is first mate therefore he fights king" logic would have worked in other arcs doesn't work in wano because of just how many powerful characters are in this arc.

And its not even that Zoro can't fight king. I just mentioned the lack of build up because some people on this forum have taken it as literal fact that Zoro would fight king.

in any case Marco vs King has heavy buildup due to the parallels between these two characters. Hence it makes more sense for Marco to fight king than Zoro.

I don’t think the number of factions means anything, the SHs are still the main characters and the future PK’s crew.

Besides, there were 3 factions involved in Arabasta and Skypiea as well.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t think the number of factions counts, the SHs are still the main characters and the future PK’s crew.

I mean it kinda does. It was law who beat vergo in punk hazard, not Zoro or Sanji.

While Zoro is a main character, I don't think that ensures that he beat king due to simply how many characters are in wano.

Given that neither Kaido, nor big mom, if she will be defeated, will be 1v1s, we can only assume that the main fight of wano will be tag teams.

hence its entirely possible that Oda gives Zoro an easy 1v1(Who's who) and has him go all out against a yonko.

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he actually did this exact thing in thriller bark where Zoro's 1v1 was with a guy who he mid diffed. However he took on shichibukai.

 

[sanjikun]

For almost all of those arcs except for dressrosa, you only had one main faction who was involved in the fighting: the straw hats.

Wano kuni is a war between multiple factions against an enemy with multiple factions. The whole "Zoro is first mate therefore he fights king" logic would have worked in other arcs doesn't work in wano because of just how many powerful characters are in this arc.

And its not even that Zoro can't fight king. I just mentioned the lack of build up because some people on this forum have taken it as literal fact that Zoro would fight king.

in any case Marco vs King has heavy buildup due to the parallels between these two characters. Hence it makes more sense for Marco to fight king than Zoro.

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I think that some parallels are more important than others. There are parallels that the fans make and then there are parallels Oda makes. While King and Queen did argue, the idea that Oda was intentionally trying to parallel zoro and sanji is completely subjective.

However, Oda directly and unambiguously parallels marco and king. This can be seen as Oda drew King in a very specific and famous scene marco was in:

When Kaido met big mom, big mom asked king to join her crew. Oda drew this exact same scene but with Whitebeard instead of kaido, Big Mom instead of shanks, and Marco instead of King.

Then he drew a scene with marco where Oda himself references king. This is when Marco showed up at the waterfall and kicks the big mom pirates down.

when you take these scenes and parallel them with the fact that marco and king's abilities are foils of each other; marco being a phoenix and king being a pteranodon with fire powers. imo it is undeniable that Oda was intentionally trying to parallel marco with king.

Can the same really be said for Zoro and sanji, who in truth have absolutely nothing in common with King and queen?

The scene you are talking about is a classic "bait and switch" and it's for plot purposes to create a grand entrance for Marco. People thought they were getting King again, and we get a Marco double spread out of anywhere. It's there for hype.

There are a million parallels between Yonko captains/crews. WB was "Pops", BM was "Mama". Shanks wanted WB's right hand to join, BM wanted Kaido's. BM/Kaido were always portrayed as big brutes with impenetrable skin. It doesn't mean one is going to be KOed by the other. What matters first and foremost is Straw Hats. Marco is irrelevant to end game of One Piece. There is literally no one else strong enough for Zoro to take down, and it makes no sense for him KOing Kaido either, who is > Mihawk, his endgame goal. That's dehyping Mihawk fight.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The scene you are talking about is a classic "bait and switch" and it's for plot purposes to create a grand entrance for Marco. People thought they were getting King again, and we get a Marco double spread out of anywhere. It's there for hype.

There are a million parallels between Yonko captains/crews. WB was "Pops", BM was "Mama". Shanks wanted WB's right hand to join, BM wanted Kaido's. BM/Kaido were always portrayed as big brutes with impenetrable skin. It doesn't mean one is going to be KOed by the other. What matters first and foremost is Straw Hats. Marco is irrelevant to end game of One Piece. There is literally no one else strong enough for Zoro to take down, and it makes no sense for him KOing Kaido either, who is > Mihawk, his endgame goal. That's dehyping Mihawk fight.

couldn't Oda just use the thriller bark formula, have Zoro take on a tobi roppo, win mid diff, and then go all out in the fight against kaido and big mom?

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Zoro doesn't need to get a 1v1 where he goes all out. Luffy sure as hell won't this arc.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Well, a big theory back from Zou was that Momo, Luffy, Marco and Inu would beat Kaido because they represent the Momotaro story. That could be back on now.

His healing ability will presumably be vital at some point

I do like the idea of Marco vs King, but not at the expense of Zoro vs King. If Yamato's the secret strongest subordinate of Kaido or Zoro really does play a huge role in the Kaido fight I suppose I could let it go.

Whatever happens, it's gonna be big. Marco hasn't been brought out here for no reason.

I...wouldn’t hate to see that bit about Luffy/Marco/Inu/Momo landing the final blow come to pass. I still envision a team attack with the other Scabbards and maybe some Supernovae/Straw Hats, but I understand the parallels between the Momotaro story and what Oda may be going for.

 

[ranady]

He is at the waterfall, imo his role is to hold bmp off, also if he wants to come to Onigashima he'll likely take some time till he arrives at onigashima because Onigashima is far away from the waterfall

For me ideally he should just stay there and prevent BMP from going anywhere , like King did .

It will confin BMP on their ship , and prevent them from doing anything to Luffy and others

Marco also sounded like he's going to stay there . this means BMP will be isolated from the major battles in Onigashima though , which makes Oda's move of bringing them here looks useless .

unless Oda is planning on taking them out by another large force ( a large Marine fleet called by Drake ? )

Seeing from what marco said in the recent chapter, it could be that marco would try to prevent BMP join the war. It could be beneficial for luffy's alliances to not have another emperor crew as enemies. With BMP mostlikely not joining the main war, they could focus on only taking down BP and orochi (and only Big meme)

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Zoro doesn't have to fight King. There has been absolutely zero build up for Zoro vs King. The literal only reason people assume that Zoro will fight King is because he is a swordsman and Zoro traditionally fights the main antagonist's right hand man.

But I honestly cannot see how these traditional conventions apply to wano, when you have so many powerful characters, some with even better portrayal than Zoro.

There are so many parallels between marco and king that it wouldn't make sense for them to not fight. Zoro cannot fly, I have no idea how some of you expect him to be able to take on King.

Also, if you look at all the antagonists in wano, you will see that the 2nd strongest isn't actually king, but rather big mom, who coincidentally uses a sword.

There are so many strong opponents for Zoro. He doesn't need to fight king.

If there are characters with better portrayal than Zoro then make Zoro fight King so he get his own portrayal ( after all after Wano Strawhat crew will be a truly Emperor crew to the world so placing Zoro with the rest YC1 is the suitable thing to do) and about flying well why make Zoro avoid a challenge ?
Better to make him defeat someone like King so the argument of cuz X can fly Zoro is unable to beat him/her which is utterly stupid to begin with.


Your points of view align with making Zoro not face a challenge and make him remain on the same position,that's what I get from all your replies to this subject.

 

[ranady]

I feel like him fighting king would be lowkey anti climactic
Like Marco fighting someone hes already stronger than dont really help either imo

Makes sense. I believe marco is a tad stronger than king and most OP fandom think so, and it wont be that intense

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I think he either helps fight against one of the Yonko or show Katakuri ( who I assume will come ) who is the Daddy.

And it's the perfect time for blackbeard boys to invade WCI if katakuri come to wano

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Your points of view align with making Zoro not face a challenge and make him remain on the same position,that's what I get from all your replies to this subject.

My point is that Zoro doesn't need to get an extreme diff thriller bark style 1v1. especially not in an arc when we are up against 2 yonko.

The main fight this arc is kaido and he will be taken down via team effort. If big mom is taken down, it will also be via team effort.

 

[yorosenpai]

By the way, I see Marco being the healer support character for the meele group such as Luffy,Kid,Zoro and maybe Law.

Inst that a good way to use Marco without interfering to much in the respective clashes fight for the worstgeneration and strawhat fights?

I would love this scenario:

We saw the healing power that Marco can use right? What if Zoro has an extreme fight with King but is unable to help Luffy with Kaido (during the onigashima fights) only to get some fast recovery due to Marco so that he can join for the second round on Kaido maybe to a totally different location such a the Wano land so that all the people can see the new Ryuma emerging from Wano?

Inst that epic and make sense? Zoro having a role to take Kaido by wounding him can be digested way easier by all fans cuz he got enough feat due to the extreme fight with King. He will have a better control of Enma maybe even achieved the blacke blade feat!

 

[bennbeckman]

A supporting role, no relationship between him and Beast Pirates and we know how strong he is, but him defeating King doesnt advance the story, also I think he has a bigger role when Luffy faces off vs BB as well

 

[ShadyOjiro]

My point is that Zoro doesn't need to get an extreme diff thriller bark style 1v1. especially not in an arc when we are up against 2 yonko.

The main fight this arc is kaido and he will be taken down via team effort. If big mom is taken down, it will also be via team effort.

He does need one that stablish his level as other SHs cuz after this arc the SHs will be a emperor crew.

Like to justify why he will in the team that will take down Kaido .
( He doesn't have Marco portrayal to go against Kaido straight on)

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He does need one that stablish his level as other SHs cuz after this arc the SHs will be a emperor crew.

Like to justify why he will in the team that will take down Kaido .
( He doesn't have Marco portrayal to go against Kaido straight on)

couldn't Oda establish his level by having him take out smoothie? Or even having him mid or low diff a tobi roppo would be enough to prove that he is commander level.

Whatever Zoro's 1v1 will be, it will be a warm up fight. Because from Zoro's own dialogue, it is evident that his main goal in wano is fight kaido.

Do you really think that Oda will irrelevantize King so much by having him fall in a warm up match?

 

[ShadyOjiro]

couldn't Oda establish his level by having him take out smoothie? Or even having him mid or low diff a tobi roppo would be enough to prove that he is commander level.

Whatever Zoro's 1v1 will be, it will be a warm up fight. Because from Zoro's own dialogue, it is evident that his main goal in wano is fight kaido.

Do you really think that Oda will irrelevantize King so much by having him fall in a warm up match?

Those are another options I cannot deny.

Tho why falling to Zoro will make him irrelevant ?
It would be a fight to stablish Zoro level.
(You just need to first give King a solid portrayal which I think Marco will do)

It could end in a high to extreme diff if one wishes after all we have 3 healers in the alliance Law,Marco and Chopper.


Personally I think Zoro will fight one enemy before King then join in the match against Kaido later.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Those are another options I cannot deny.

Tho why falling to Zoro will make him irrelevant ?
It would be a fight to stablish Zoro level.
(You just need to first give King a solid portrayal which I think Marco will do)

It could end in a high to extreme diff if one wishes after all we have 3 healers in the alliance Law,Marco and Chopper.


Personally I think Zoro will fight one enemy before King then join in the match against Kaido later.

it just has to do with the flow of the story. I think most of Zoro's buildup in wano points to him fighting kaido. This will be where Zoro's big role is. Zoro beating King first would make king into what ryuuma was in thriller bark.

Zoro can't have extreme diff fights before kaido. Kaido is an awakened mythical zoan. If he's already gone out before he even faces kaido, he'll stand no chance.

 

[Koro]

Another one for Marco.
- make BM crew/child away from battle, that's a lot of help. Tha leaves Big Mom alone unless she reminiscing her friends & Caramel
- heal luffy&co for a while. Do an Ivankov at Marineford & mansherry at dressrosa.
- maybe Marco will help Sanj, Jimbei (+ Chopper?) to stall BM. (if he did, he can call WB remnants to battle with BM kids)
- [edit] forget to type -> the hype role is Marco will speak about WB remnants allying with SH right after Kaidou defeat & the arrival of Navy.

he will leave the battle with kaidou to Neko & Izo. Well that's pretty a reinforcement.
hmm, this is a thread about Marco.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

couldn't Oda just use the thriller bark formula, have Zoro take on a tobi roppo, win mid diff, and then go all out in the fight against kaido and big mom?

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Zoro doesn't need to get a 1v1 where he goes all out. Luffy sure as hell won't this arc.

I think best candidate for Oda to have Zoro do that against is Smoothie.
She is a woman so Zoro would have clear reserves hitting her, but he still defeats her around mid to low high diff showing his clear cut superiority over Yonko commander level character.

Then Oda can justify Zoro doing major major damage to Kaido.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I think best candidate for Oda to have Zoro do that against is Smoothie.
She is a woman so Zoro would have clear reserves hitting her, but he still defeats her around mid to low high diff showing his clear cut superiority over Yonko commander level character.

Then Oda can justify Zoro doing major major damage to Kaido.

yeah I was thinking that smoothie would be a perfect candidate for Zoro to reveal asura. I think Oda needs to show off asura before Zoro faces kaido.

 

[Finalbeta]

Marco should fight someone powerful

That will be either Weevil or King