Controversial Marines have in no way shape or form the moral high ground above ANY pirate crew and I am tired of people acting like they do.

Are the Marines morally superior to the Yonko?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 42.1%
  • No

    Votes: 22 57.9%

  • Total voters
    38
#23
It seems like the higher you get up the marine hierarchy, the less morally defensible your position becomes.

Some random marine cadet in the East Blue has nothing to do with protecting the celestial dragons and keeping them in power. He'll probably never meet one in his life, knows little about them, and acts as more of a net good by doing all his fighting against dangerous pirates.

Being an admiral, however, literally amounts to being a lapdog of the celestial dragons. Your job is to work directly under them and protect them at any costs. Navy admirals are literally one of the reasons the celestial dragons can act with such impunity, murdering innocents and enslaving people as they like without any repercussions. It's an inherently evil job. Even Garp should've quit the marines instead of doing nothing but meekly refusing promotion, and gone on to be a bounty hunter or something.
 
#28
The Marines are worse. We know that the pirates (in general) aren't good. But the marines larp as being the good guys, but obey and condone every criminal act the CDs do, 0 excuses.

They're hypocrites with their eyes willfully closed to their superiors criminal acts. The only ones that can be excused are the ones (some of them) at the bottom of the totem pole.

Pirates 🤝🏾 Marines = same coin different sides
 
#29
I sure love the character but yeah, I really hope Oda answers this question one day...

Even taking SWORD into account (and we're not even sure he is part of it, are we ?) and imagining it turns into this amazing plot against the CD, fuck yeah !

You would have 1) SWORD, 2) positive influence on some other marines (maybe even some pirates ?) and 3) saving civilians from evil pirates aka his job...

Versus closing his eyes on slaves in hamster wheels and triannual genocide (lol) and whatever the fuck else he clearly witnessed, for decades.

So yeah, I hope there's a good explanation, or I hope Dadan puts a bullet in his head next time.
 
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#30
The Marines are worse. We know that the pirates (in general) aren't good. But the marines larp as being the good guys, but obey and condone every criminal act the CDs do, 0 excuses.

They're hypocrites with their eyes willfully closed to their superiors criminal acts. The only ones that can be excused are the ones (some of them) at the bottom of the totem pole.

Pirates 🤝🏾 Marines = same coin different sides
Not according to kidd who said they are not nice but not hypocrites lol
 
#31
I sure love the character but yeah, I really hope Oda answers this question one day...

Even taking SWORD into account (and we're not even sure he is part of it, are we ?) and imagining it turns into this amazing plot against the CD, fuck yeah !

You would have 1) SWORD, 2) positive influence on some other marines (maybe even some pirates ?) and 3) saving civilians from evil pirates aka his job...

Versus closing his eyes on slaves in hamster wheels and triannual genocide (lol) and whatever the fuck else he clearly witnessed, for decades.

So yeah, I hope there's a good explanation, or I hope Dadan puts a bullet in his head next time.
Honestly? What would change if Garp and Sengoku founded Sword? All the group at the end of the day is a way for "rogue" Marines to act unrestricted by red tape. I am sorry, but they are not exactly out here putting celestial dragons in jail or killing them, are they?

My main issue with the Marines is that they follow Celestial Dragon and World Government orders and ignore the crimes of the people they work for. Even somebody like Koby, whether he knows it or not, is acting on behalf of the people who enslaved Boa Hancock and her people. Even via the fucked-up laws of One Piece setting nothing about attacking a foreign head of state for the crime of not jumping when their former slave masters tell them too seems like justice to me.

Sword, as an organization, resigned themselves from the actual command structure of the Marines but still operated on their behalf.

Even if I give Koby the benefit of the doubt that he would act differently in Garps shoes at God Valley and he saw the shit Celestial Dragons do firsthand? Sword as a group is pretty much just Marines who are tired of bureaucracy, not some sort of group of morally righteous people that are tired of the Celestial Dragon system and the injustice it carries out.

They aren't out here ending slavery operations or some shit like that. They arent liberating countries like the Revos either.

Let's say Garp actually founded the group with the goal of helping people more. Why the secrecy? Why not shout from the rooftops that he wants to help more but the world government doesn't let him? Garp, at least as far as I am concerned, more than earned that bullet from Dadan regardless of whatever else Oda has planned for the guy.

Because no matter what the fuck he reveals Garp to have done "behind the scenes" after the fact to explain his inactivity thus far, there should be no need to do it behind the scenes in the first place! Dragon gets clowned by like half the fandom for "not doing enough," but at least the motherfucker actually left the Marines and said "enough is enough" at some point.

Garp? He spent over three decades plus after God Valley happened, still being a Marine, without changing SHIT about the organization of which he was the biggest hero, and which was led for at least a good couple of years by his best friend Sengoku.

He doesn't even quit the Marines or make some fucking stament at least when Ace is about the be excuted. Ace, the boy he considers his grandson, he hid from his fellow Marines, who (as far as we are told in the story) has done NOTHING worth executing him over. Hell, Garp even directly shows up to Marineford in full uniform and basically tells Ace, "I told you to be a Marine like me; why didn't you listen?" in Impel Down which, to be real, gets more and more funny the longer I think about it.

Yeah, Garp, I have no idea why Ace didn't join the group that wanted to kill him and his mom for the crime of existing when that seems like such a tempting offer. If he were like you, he might have been able to keep Saint Charlors from getting his ass kicked during the next God Valley-style human hunt. Wouldn't that have been nice?
 
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#32
Majority of marines genuinely want to protect the innocent and give a good life for their family a life safe from pirates and criminals

Majority of pirates are terrible people with lofty goals and ambitions most them murder, kidnap, extort, steal, exploit and manipulate to get what they want

There's a reason most of luffys enemies have been pirates

Every single time Luffys enemy was apart of world gov be it marine, or cp whatever Luffy was technically in the wrong

Now of course there are bad marines like Green Bull but he's one bad apple in a group of people who really haven't done anything majorly wrong

Every other instance they either had the moral or legal high ground
 
#33
BM and her org is actually of the best powers out there tbh. She's pretty decent in her ruling and the island she reigns over gets modest freedom. The only downside is her taking life spans but in the world that is one piece it's a small price to pay. Objectively the citizens of her empire are better off than the citizens of the world govt empire. Kaido seems to be the worst, not sure about BB tbh.
 
#35
I'd rather be taken by the marines than pirates. Pirates are worse as they have zero structure and can be as bad as anyone in the wg. The overwhelming majority of pirates as evil and bad. If the marines and wg didn't exist the entire world would be enslaved to pirates. There would be mass slaughter, pillaging, and destruction of everything. The current world isn't enslaved because the marines even with the corruption still keep the world sane.
 
#37
Majority of marines genuinely want to protect the innocent and give a good life for their family a life safe from pirates and criminals

Majority of pirates are terrible people with lofty goals and ambitions most them murder, kidnap, extort, steal, exploit and manipulate to get what they want

There's a reason most of luffys enemies have been pirates

Every single time Luffys enemy was apart of world gov be it marine, or cp whatever Luffy was technically in the wrong

Now of course there are bad marines like Green Bull but he's one bad apple in a group of people who really haven't done anything majorly wrong

Every other instance they either had the moral or legal high ground
You could give a free pass to the lower-ranking marines, since they barely know anything about the true nature of the government. Not for any high-ranking marine, all of whom who know they're serving the genocidal slavers known as the celestial dragons. Reminder the celestial dragons have committed genocide on entire islands every three years, and the marines protect them when that happens. Admirals protect celestial dragons when they terrorize innocents. The WG is an unambiguously evil organization that is ruled by literal demons, the marines are their military forces.
When has Luffy been wrong for opposing the government? Enies Lobby, where the government placed a bounty on an 8-year old for being a scholar of Ohara, an island they committed genocide on.
Marineford? What evil thing did Ace do? Their main reason for executing him was that he was born as the son of Roger, they were even willing to murder pregnant women to prevent that.
Impel Down is the only case where you could argue Luffy was wrong. But even then, people like the revolutionaries, who want to topple the celestial dragons, were put there. A place like Impel down is the definition of "cruel and unusual" punishment by any of our modern standards.
 
#39
Marines aren't pure good. but they're a hell of a lot better than most pirates who rape and pillage innocents.
Yep, the marines are more honorable. They incinerate their victims after doing horrific deeds. Fire cleanses everything.
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Revolution is the only true noble path in One piece
Kuma maybe. Dragon sits on his rear. He is the RA version of Akainu.
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Yeah. Pretty much. Admirals are gorosei/CD slaves in general.
Tea servants at the upper echelon.
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Miss this crazy mf
Doffy mvp
 
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