Speculations Mihawk Did Not Make The Black Cross Blade He Inherited It!!

[Cruxroux]

Honestly I'm not trying to downplay anybody.

Literally every fuckin post.
Mihawk black blade isn't his!?
Like come on dude.
Its not at all necessary 12 Supreme grades has to be from ancient kingdom.
Enma was crafted only within last 100 years and same goes for Wado , yet they are in 21 famed swords.
While Shusui lasting for more than 100s of year is in 50 great swords.

Their level and Time are not uniform.
Shodai is a good example of it. Shodai might be from ancient kingdom. But nidai was crafted by Odens father sukiyaki. And same goes Ame no habakiri which is in 21 famed sword.

Ranking changes clearly depending upon their grade.
If Zoro turn Enma/wado black , it will create plot hold with 13-14 supreme grade swords.

Which won't happen. Two swords from current 12 Supreme blade will come down to 21 great great blades. They will interchange position.

So instead of Mihawk using a sword from ancient kingdom.
He forged it himself. While types of Roger/WB got hands on supreme grade since the beginning. Its them who cheated not mihawk.

 

[AlmightyGunther]

Literally every fuckin post.
Mihawk black blade isn't his!?
Like come on dude.
Its not at all necessary 12 Supreme grades has to be from ancient kingdom.
Enma was crafted only within last 100 years and same goes for Wado , yet they are in 21 famed swords.
While Shusui lasting for more than 100s of year is in 50 great swords.

Their level and Time are not uniform.
Shodai is a good example of it. Shodai might be from ancient kingdom. But nidai was crafted by Odens father sukiyaki. And same goes Ame no habakiri which is in 21 famed sword.

Ranking changes clearly depending upon their grade.
If Zoro turn Enma/wado black , it will create plot hold with 13-14 supreme grade swords.

Which won't happen. Two swords from current 12 Supreme blade will come down to 21 great great blades. They will interchange position.

So instead of Mihawk using a sword from ancient kingdom.
He forged it himself. While types of Roger/WB got hands on supreme grade since the beginning. Its them who cheated not mihawk.

Alright bud I'm not looking for an argument

If you don't like it, I suggest you go to other posts or you're probably gonna get removed like you usually do.

I'll even do you the favor of not posting as much about that stuff.

Though, honestly I'm not sure what you want people to post. Don't ask us to be your yes-men, though.

 

[AL sama]

can't mods do something about this guy spamming the same thread over and over?

links??

btw calm down everyone

 

[Krusher1357]

Tbh I'm almost starting to believe black blades are the swordsman version of inherited will or that blades can be made with certain intentions

Enma and ame no habikiri will probably turn black after wano's borders are opened and it gives yet another reason for the strawhats to be present when said borders are opened

Wado carries Kuina's will and will become black when the blade is held by a swordsman who becomes the WSS

Sandai is a bit harder to gauge, given its curse it may only turn black during zoro's death (zoro would probably have to die an old man in a boring way to "surpass" the kitetsu kurse)

Or I'm wrong and these literally just become black via extended use

 

[OGshine]

they're stronger than the other owners obviously

 

[AlmightyGunther]

links??

btw calm down everyone

Look what you guys did!!

I'll stop making posts for a few days k.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

He’s giving Mihawk fans a bad name.

Indeed.
No wonder people don't like us Mihawk fans

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Daily reminder that swords & swordsmanship topic were never explored (like wheres the blades, it's user, what BB is, etc) by Oda because he's afraid this topic will overshadow the entire story (and Luffy).

 

[AlmightyGunther]

I'm not a Mihawk fan. I'm not a fan of any character, really.

It's a damn story. I thought it might be interesting if Mihawk had an inherited blade. That's all. I elaborated on that with further posts that answered different questions, so no they were not all the same posts.

 

[grey matter]

This is why Oda is failing to deliver, we only know like 3 supreme blades and Gyphon is speculated being the 4th.
Yoru
W.B's poleblade
Roger swords Ace
Gyphon

It's ridiculous that there are no supreme swords in Wano or wielder of supreme swordsman in Wano. Not even Ryuma or Oden had one, so where could the other 8 bladesman or woman be and why aren't they in the story yet or known...

Shodai Kitetsu that Gandhi has is a supreme grade blade

 

[Thaidakar]

Yoru is the strongest blade because it is the only one out of the 12 to turn black. I think any of the other 12, if they turned black, would be the strongest blade. Maybe it's as simple as that.

Kozaburo, the legendary blacksmith, mentioned to Zoro that Enma could transform into a Black Blade over time. If Enma were to become a Black Blade, it would be classified as one of the Supreme Grade Swords, and the total number of Supreme Grade swords would increase from 12 to 13. The question is that among the top 12 swords, there are weapons that are not black, so by turning black, their classification would increase, potentially surpassing even Yoru.

But Shuusui is a black blade not one of the supreme grade swords? And if the supreme grade swords are from the void century, how can Enma become one?
I always thought it depends on the metal that's been used. Cursed swords are made differently or out of a different metal. Maybe the same metal that's been used to build the ancient robots? Did the robots have AI? AI in terms of a soul within them like devil fruits?

I hope Oda doesn't forget to fully explain swords like he forgot ryuuma grave

 

[RiShin]

Shodai Kitetsu that Gandhi has is a supreme grade blade

Ok that makes five.

 

[Xione]

But Shuusui is a black blade not one of the supreme grade swords? And if the supreme grade swords are from the void century, how can Enma become one?
I always thought it depends on the metal that's been used. Cursed swords are made differently or out of a different metal. Maybe the same metal that's been used to build the ancient robots? Did the robots have AI? AI in terms of a soul within them like devil fruits?

I hope Oda doesn't forget to fully explain swords like he forgot ryuuma grave

Not to mention that there's a whole damn book about these famous swords in-verse.

- Who wrote the book?
- How is the Wado Ichimonji so famous? (Rest of the graded swords were held by legends)
- When was the book written?

 

[Tejas]

Because everyone lost interest knowing that a black blade could not cut Vista's swords

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

But Shuusui is a black blade not one of the supreme grade swords? And if the supreme grade swords are from the void century, how can Enma become one?
I always thought it depends on the metal that's been used. Cursed swords are made differently or out of a different metal. Maybe the same metal that's been used to build the ancient robots? Did the robots have AI? AI in terms of a soul within them like devil fruits?

I hope Oda doesn't forget to fully explain swords like he forgot ryuuma grave

But Shuusui is a black blade not one of the supreme grade swords?

But that's exactly the crux of the matter.

Saijo O Wazamono Grade
There are twelve Supreme Grade Swords (最上大業物 Saijō Ō Wazamono?).[1] These appear to be the highest-quality swords.

Yoru (Dracule Mihawk)
Shodai Kitetsu (Cursed) (Kitetsu)
Murakumogiri (Edward Newgate)
Ace (Gol D. Roger)
O Wazamono Grade


There are twenty-one Great Grade Swords (大業物 Ō Wazamono?).[1] Their quality is higher than Ryo Wazamono but lower than Saijo O Wazamono.

Nidai Kitetsu (Cursed) (Kotetsu → Tenguyama Hitetsu)
Wado Ichimonji (Shimotsuki Kouzaburou → Kuina → Roronoa Zoro)
Shusui (Ryuma → Roronoa Zoro → Wano Country)
Enma (Shimotsuki Kouzaburou → Kozuki Oden → Kozuki Hiyori → Roronoa Zoro)
Ame no Habakiri (Tenguyama Hitetsu → Kozuki Oden → Kozuki Momonosuke)

We know that turning a sword black allows it to climb the sword ranking. Enma is set among the top 21 by default, and by becoming a black blade, it can even become a Saijo O Wazamono Grade sword.

Shusui is already a black blade, and even though it's a black blade, it's stuck in the top 21 class... This means that before becoming a black blade, Shusui's ranking was much lower. Do you understand now?

We have Enma, which is not a black blade, in the same category as Shusui, a black blade. When Enma becomes a black blade, it will definitely surpass Shusui... If you disregard the fact that Shusui is black and turn it into a regular blade, it can't maintain its position among the top 21 like Enma. Therefore, everything indicates that Shusui was nothing more than a regular blade or one of the top 50 (Ryo Wazamono Grade), which, upon becoming a black blade, jumped to a different 'category' > O Wazamono.

If Shusui, being a 'bad' sword, experienced a significant boost in reaching the top 21 by becoming a black blade, then the impact of turning a blade black is substantial. This implies that Yoru was initially one of the top 21, and by becoming a black blade, it elevated to being one of the top 12 and the strongest.

Now, consider that the base Yoru, without being black, loses to a Supreme Grade sword (one of the top 12), just as Enma loses to Whitebeard's bisento. If Whitebeard's bisento, which is already considered a Supreme Grade (Saijo O Wazamono) in its base form, becomes a black blade, it easily becomes the strongest blade by far... LMAO

Of course, this assumes that Yoru was initially one of the top 21 swords and that, by becoming a black blade, it moved up a category, thus reaching the pinnacle of the top 12 blades.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Yoru is the strongest blade because it is the only one out of the 12 to turn black. I think any of the other 12, if they turned black, would be the strongest blade. Maybe it's as simple as that.

Kozaburo, the legendary blacksmith, mentioned to Zoro that Enma could transform into a Black Blade over time. If Enma were to become a Black Blade, it would be classified as one of the Supreme Grade Swords, and the total number of Supreme Grade swords would increase from 12 to 13. The question is that among the top 12 swords, there are weapons that are not black, so by turning black, their classification would increase, potentially surpassing even Yoru.

Thats not Kozaburo who said that, Thats Hitetsu / Oden's Father Sukiyaki who said that Zoro could turn Enma into a Black Blade

 

[grey matter]

Ok that makes five.

Rocks will most likely have one as well.

Who knows, maybe Garling will have one too.
Let's throw in Rayleigh as well, dude keeps changing his blades every time he appears, but one of them in his collection could be Supreme grade.

Still leaves 4 more lol. Can't imagine any character revealed yet, who might have a Supreme grade blade.

Really tho, IMO the only reason Shusui wasn't a Supreme grade blade was because Oda didn't want Zoro to get one that early in the series. No other reason the most famous swordsman in history who is revered as a God, doesn't have a Supreme grade blade.

 

[mly90]

First you were denying Mihawk forged his own kokuto now you are claiming there are more of them out there. I think Rocks is the only character with small chance of possessing a kokuto

 

[Thaidakar]

Not to mention that there's a whole damn book about these famous swords in-verse.

- Who wrote the book?
- How is the Wado Ichimonji so famous? (Rest of the graded swords were held by legends)
- When was the book written?

But that's exactly the crux of the matter.

Saijo O Wazamono Grade
There are twelve Supreme Grade Swords (最上大業物 Saijō Ō Wazamono?).[1] These appear to be the highest-quality swords.

Yoru (Dracule Mihawk)
Shodai Kitetsu (Cursed) (Kitetsu)
Murakumogiri (Edward Newgate)
Ace (Gol D. Roger)
O Wazamono Grade


There are twenty-one Great Grade Swords (大業物 Ō Wazamono?).[1] Their quality is higher than Ryo Wazamono but lower than Saijo O Wazamono.

Nidai Kitetsu (Cursed) (Kotetsu → Tenguyama Hitetsu)
Wado Ichimonji (Shimotsuki Kouzaburou → Kuina → Roronoa Zoro)
Shusui (Ryuma → Roronoa Zoro → Wano Country)
Enma (Shimotsuki Kouzaburou → Kozuki Oden → Kozuki Hiyori → Roronoa Zoro)
Ame no Habakiri (Tenguyama Hitetsu → Kozuki Oden → Kozuki Momonosuke)

We know that turning a sword black allows it to climb the sword ranking. Enma is set among the top 21 by default, and by becoming a black blade, it can even become a Saijo O Wazamono Grade sword.

Shusui is already a black blade, and even though it's a black blade, it's stuck in the top 21 class... This means that before becoming a black blade, Shusui's ranking was much lower. Do you understand now?

We have Enma, which is not a black blade, in the same category as Shusui, a black blade. When Enma becomes a black blade, it will definitely surpass Shusui... If you disregard the fact that Shusui is black and turn it into a regular blade, it can't maintain its position among the top 21 like Enma. Therefore, everything indicates that Shusui was nothing more than a regular blade or one of the top 50 (Ryo Wazamono Grade), which, upon becoming a black blade, jumped to a different 'category' > O Wazamono.

If Shusui, being a 'bad' sword, experienced a significant boost in reaching the top 21 by becoming a black blade, then the impact of turning a blade black is substantial. This implies that Yoru was initially one of the top 21, and by becoming a black blade, it elevated to being one of the top 12 and the strongest.

Now, consider that the base Yoru, without being black, loses to a Supreme Grade sword (one of the top 12), just as Enma loses to Whitebeard's bisento. If Whitebeard's bisento, which is already considered a Supreme Grade (Saijo O Wazamono) in its base form, becomes a black blade, it easily becomes the strongest blade by far... LMAO

Of course, this assumes that Yoru was initially one of the top 21 swords and that, by becoming a black blade, it moved up a category, thus reaching the pinnacle of the top 12 blades.

I had hoped Oda uses the opportunity where Vegapunk dropped some scientific aspects to explain other things too, such as objects being able to eat a DF or awakening-black blade analogies. But yeah. In 15 years we'll know more. Maybe.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Give me the right to make threads again, i lost it for much less than this guy has been doing for the past days.