Speculations Mihawk got his title by defeating Shamrock

#1
Mihawk is WSSM. We know he got his title by going around defeating swordsmen until he was the strongest. But then that begs the question, who is the strongest swordsman Mihawk has defeated?

Whenever Mihawk is hyped, it’s always in relation to Shanks. Brannew did this directly when revealing Mihawk’s bounty.

But there’s an issue with this. Mihawk stopped fighting Shanks years ago when Shanks lost his arm. This was back when Shanks was a 1 billion berry rookie and not a yonko. So could Shanks have actually given Mihawk his title? Unlikely imo.

Rather, what if it was Shamrock who Mihawk actually defeated to gain his title. Shamrock is, after all, Shanks with two arms. It would make perfect sense for Mihawk to go after Shamrock after Shanks lost his arm.

Obviously the WG isn’t going to publish that a holy knight was defeated, so instead they lied and said Mihawk defeated yonko Shanks instead, thereby granting Mihawk the WSSM title.

Oda just hasn’t explained this as he didn’t want to reveal Shamrock until recently and he also didn’t want fans thinking Shanks actually got defeated, regardless of Mihawk being WSSM.

In any case, I’m not insinuating Mihawk is a fraud. Until and unless Oda decides that Shanks is truly a haki wizard(not impossible lol), mihawk is stronger.

but it does make no sense for mihawk to gain his title by beating pre yonko shanks. So him beating Shamrock in his prime and gaining the title that way would make sense.

If this is true, I’d expect Oda to make Shamrock the strongest swordsman of the WG, so that Mihawk isn’t a fraud. Alternatively this theory would work if Mihawk beat Garling or Nusjuro, but I think the lie of him beating Shanks makes more sense if he actually beat Shanks’s twin.
 

nik87

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#6
WG isn’t going to publish that a holy knight was defeated, so instead they lied and said Mihawk defeated yonko Shanks instead
No, they never said Mihawk defeated Shanks. Made up.

hereby granting Mihawk the WSSM title.
Nobody has granted Mihawk his title, it is the author who grants it. Just like he granted it to WSC and WSM.
They didnt defeat anyone for the title to be granted to them.
You still havent figured out Mihawk's one and only purpose in the story and keep trying to link him to mere mortals...
 
#8
Whenever Mihawk is hyped, it’s always in relation to Shanks. Brannew did this directly when revealing Mihawk’s bounty.
Not really. Mihawk was introduced as the WSS in a vacuum when we didn't know Shanks was actually a big deal. And the opposite happened first. Shanks' conversation with Whitebeard actually used Mihawk to hype up Shanks, because that was a point in the story where we didn't know where Shanks (and these new Emperor characters like WB) actually stood.

Mihawk's post-Wano bounty reveal was the first time Shanks was used as a benchmark, and it was necessary because by this point in the story Shanks' aura had been developed far greater than Mihawk's (who was mostly ignored in the background) and he's probably the most notable swordsman besides Mihawk himself. They are often paired up in multiple contexts by official sources and fans, but that's because the two have a frenemy relationship akin to Roger/WB, and it's not necessarily because Mihawk's acquisition of his title was related to Shanks or Shamrock/Garling.
 
#9
Problem with this is they outright said his swordsmanship is superior to yonko shanks not shanks 12 years ago
Yeah my guess is Mihawk beat Shamrock after Shanks became yonko, and the WG just lied and said he beat Shanks to cover up that a HK was defeated.

Mihawk probably is stronger than Shanks, but this way, Oda isn’t going to give his golden boy an L.
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Not really. Mihawk was introduced as the WSS in a vacuum when we didn't know Shanks was actually a big deal. And the opposite happened first. Shanks' conversation with Whitebeard actually used Mihawk to hype up Shanks, because that was a point in the story where we didn't know where Shanks (and these new Emperor characters like WB) actually stood.

Mihawk's post-Wano bounty reveal was the first time Shanks was used as a benchmark, and it was necessary because by this point in the story Shanks' aura had been developed far greater than Mihawk's (who was mostly ignored in the background) and he's probably the most notable swordsman besides Mihawk himself. They are often paired up in multiple contexts by official sources and fans, but that's because the two have a frenemy relationship akin to Roger/WB, and it's not necessarily because Mihawk's acquisition of his title was related to Shanks or Shamrock/Garling.
Possibly

that said tho, there aren’t many top tier swordsman we know of that Mihawk could have beaten

It really is just: Shiki, Rayleigh, Shamrock, Garling, Nusjuro, or Oda invents a new character just to hype up Mihawk.

the latter option feels kinda ass imo.
 
#12
Possibly

that said tho, there aren’t many top tier swordsman we know of that Mihawk could have beaten

It really is just: Shiki, Rayleigh, Shamrock, Garling, Nusjuro, or Oda invents a new character just to hype up Mihawk.

the latter option feels kinda ass imo.
Why did he have to beat anyone in particular? Did WB beat anyone to become WSM or did the world just agree to acknowledge him as that naturally after Roger passed and Rocks was forgotten? I think there's an assumption here that's a bit shaky and also unimaginative.

Maybe Shanks was the Roger in this scenario who was naturally phased out of the conversation when he lost his arm, and maybe Mihawk/Shanks were just seen as that gifted to the point that they were even being compared to the top tiers even when they were younger. Maybe Mihawk was just acknowledged as the WSS because he was specifically the most gifted out of Imu's next batch of trained vessels to hop into and prolong his immortality but then ran away from the WG/Holy Knights. And maybe sliced some impossible barrier barring his escape. Or he's a Nerona who applied his OP bloodline abilities to swordsmanship that the WG is aware of and can't ignore. Or any number of other possibilities.

I agree with you that that group of characters you mentioned are probably the pinnacle of swordsmen, but there's a lot of ways Mihawk's current title could be explained that doesn't have to include the result of a specific fight, but still indicate that he's the strongest.
 
#17
No, they never said Mihawk defeated Shanks. Made up.


Nobody has granted Mihawk his title, it is the author who grants it. Just like he granted it to WSC and WSM.
They didnt defeat anyone for the title to be granted to them.
You still havent figured out Mihawk's one and only purpose in the story and keep trying to link him to mere mortals...
This. Titles are meant to hype characters. WB never defeated any top tier to our knowledge to get his title. Same for waido.
 
#18
Nobody has granted Mihawk his title, it is the author who grants it
No shit, Mihawk is also not a real person, and is entirely created by Oda. He also has the title inside of the fictional universe the author created, and there's no reason for him to automatically gain it. Do you think he was born with it?
 
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