General & Others Mihawk never said he was inferior to Whitebeard...

[AntiQue]

Splendid reasoning in this thread, but you fell short in the conclusion. It's neither about Whitebeard's personal strength nor ultimately about his distance from the frontlines, but about the strength of his core crew. The WBP were formidable enough to prevent the Marines from exploiting Whitebeard's strategy of appearing in the midst of the enemy without his fleet/ numbers by his side. This is because his top commanders are strong enough to deflect or stall top tiers for enough time to allow Whitebeard to not get cornered. Mihawk is remarking how the physical closeness is deceitful as a plausible strategic advantage because their side can't actually capitalize on it. Thus it is clear that his statement was not intended for powerscaling purposes, he was simply reading the board.

 

[mly90]

Mihawk downplay is funny
The only reason why people downplay him because of zoro lol

Also every top tier they stan have been humiliated while going all out. Mihawk has never once tried in the entire series what's worse Shanks confirmed to be below Takanome has embarrassed basically every admiral they have a lot if pent of frustrations insecurities

 

[Erkan12]

You think Whitebeard is better equipped to face Mihawk's slash than diamond-man?
You think Whitebeard is better equipped to face Kizaru's lasers that cannot be blocked than regenerative-man?
If only you stopped for a second before typing this you would have known the answer...

SHawk's slash was bigger slash than Mihawk's slash vs WB, and Blackbeard didn't even use Quake DF to block it.

You can't make excuse about Haki as well since Seraphims are confirmed as Haki users too.

2 special swords vs smaller slashes, retreats and pants.

No Quake DF, only 1 barehand, makes SHawk retreat.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Also every top tier they stan have been humiliated while going all out. Mihawk has never once tried in the entire series what's worse Shanks confirmed to be below Takanome has embarrassed basically every admiral they have a lot if pent of frustrations insecurities

Wista already did a good job embarrassing Pisshawk, no need to bring anybody above YC3 level in the discussion

 

[park_min young]

Again, what Mihawk's literal words were talking about was referencing how Whitebeard looked within reach. Especially a man of his stature, the World's Strongest Man.

It's like if you see Donald Trump out in the streets and think holy shit, can I just walk up and slap this man in the face, and then you try it and find out the real distance between you and Trump was much greater than perceived as you get sniped.

And again, this serves a dual purpose. In One Piece terms a Yonkou gained this power through his individual strength (in 99% of cases), so yes it speaks volumes on how strong Whitebeard must be that if even for top tiers like Mihawk and Kizaru he has underlings that can stop them, but the literal words are more catered towards an optical illusion. Reaching the King would not be as easy as it looked.

WB was within reach and Mihawk saw an opportunity to test out how strong WB is. That was pretty cut and dry from his 2 lines. This is also clear since Doffy said “woah are you really gonna fight?”. This briefly establishes that Mihawk was only ever moving with his own agenda in mind. Which is proven true since he only ever moved to test Luffy’s fate and the other time he moves is when he tests WB’s legendary status.

You’re overcomplicating the argument, the argument is did Mihawk ever admit inferiority to WB? And the answer is yes — when he alienated WB and grouped himself within the rest. We can go into circles on why didn’t Mihawk ever try to follow up. But that’s where your argument comes into play, Oda already answered the question with a nuanced one. It won’t even be easy to get to WB in the first place.

Which also strip teases the audience into thinking how strong WB himself really is if his number 2 can easily deflect “The World’s Greatest Slash” meant for WB.

At the end of the day, the core intention was just to gas WB more. We know this is true since we know what happens throughout the war — a WB wankfest.

 

[nik87]

SHawk's slash was bigger slash than Mihawk's slash vs WB, and Blackbeard didn't even use Quake DF to block it.

You can't make excuse about Haki as well since Seraphims are confirmed as Haki users too.

2 special swords vs smaller slashes, retreats and pants.

No Quake DF, only 1 barehand, makes SHawk retreat.

Congratz, you jsut compared a 16 year old child to the strongest character in the show. >Are you winning, son?

 

[Erkan12]

Congratz, you jsut compared a 16 year old child to the strongest character in the show. >Are you winning, son?

Wrong, son.

Seraphims are cyborgs who transfers informations from the original Warlords. Thats why SSnake was in love with Luffy as well due to Hancock. SHawk clearly using same sword techniques as Mihawk and he used a stronger attack than Mihawk used, and Blackbeard didn't even use Quake to block it.

Meanwhile Zolo uses 2 special swords to block it.

If Jozu didn't stop it, WB would block Mihawk's slash easily without needing Quake DF as well.

Their age might be a factor on using advance Lunarian abilities since they don't have Alber's memories, but they have Warlord memories.

 

[warsame zaylai]

Also every top tier they stan have been humiliated while going all out. Mihawk has never once tried in the entire series what's worse Shanks confirmed to be below Takanome has embarrassed basically every admiral they have a lot if pent of frustrations insecurities

Oda gave mihawk insane bounty because of his strength but I guess this ain’t enough for the haters to stop downplay him.

 

[mly90]

Wista already did a good job embarrassing Pisshawk, no need to bring anybody above YC3 level in the discussion

Mihawk would have been embarrassed if we saw tiniest hints of him trying no named attacks haki used in the entirety of that war
What we saw was him clashing with fellow swordsman showing him respect you guys will have to wait for better opportunity to slander the goat although i doubt Loda will give you anything to work with

 

[shadowdancer]

https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/1864497242452971657#m

Agendas start when you don't hire good japanese translators but also when you have brain dead readers

 

[nik87]

Wrong, son.

Seraphims are cyborgs who transfers informations from the original Warlords. Thats why SSnake was in love with Luffy as well due to Hancock. SHawk clearly using same sword techniques as Mihawk and he used a stronger attack than Mihawk used, and Blackbeard didn't even use Quake to block it.

Meanwhile Zolo uses 2 special swords to block it.

If Jozu didn't stop it, WB would block Mihawk's slash easily without needing Quake DF as well.

Their age might be a factor on using advance Lunarian abilities since they don't have Alber's memories, but they have Warlord memories.

Is that why the likes of Kaku handled 2 of them at the same time, because they are like the originals? >Are u winning, son? v2.0

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Interesting theory, but I don't really believe it's the case.
I'm pretty sure he simply heard that Whitebeard was the WSM, and so he wanted to see if that was really true. He wanted to see if there was an actual gap in power between them, or if everyone was bluffing.

 

[mly90]

Fucking hell, 10 pages on something so simple

Nik threads always rub them wrong way hilarious to witness reactions from haters every time grab your popcorns

 

[Erkan12]

Is that why the likes of Kaku handled 2 of them at the same time, because they are like the originals? >Are u winning, son? v2.0

Did SHawk (confirmed Haki user as well) transfer Mihawk's memories and techniques to use mountain slash? Yes.
Did Blackbeard use only Haki and not Quake DF to block that? Yes.

WB would block Mihawk's attack without even needing Quake as well. It was a weak attack thats why Jozu handled that alone.

Kaku didn't handle them thats why he was paraylzed and couldn't help Lucci later. Another L for you after ZKK and Scopper Gaban, son.

 

[nik87]

Did SHawk (confirmed Haki user as well) transfer Mihawk's memories and techniques to use mountain slash? Yes.
Did Blackbeard use only Haki and not Quake DF to block that? Yes.

WB would block Mihawk's attack without even needing Quake as well. It was a weak attack thats why Jozu handled that alone.

Kaku didn't handle them thats why he was paraylzed and couldn't help Lucci later. Another L for you after ZKK and Scopper Gaban, son.

I see... Glad to see the new height of delusions that Kaku would handle Mihawk+another Warlord by himself. >Are you winning, son? v3.0

 

[ZenZu]

WB was within reach and Mihawk saw an opportunity to test out how strong WB is. That was pretty cut and dry from his 2 lines. This is also clear since Doffy said “woah are you really gonna fight?”. This briefly establishes that Mihawk was only ever moving with his own agenda in mind. Which is proven true since he only ever moved to test Luffy’s fate and the other time he moves is when he tests WB’s legendary status.

You’re overcomplicating the argument, the argument is did Mihawk ever admit inferiority to WB? And the answer is yes — when he alienated WB and grouped himself within the rest. We can go into circles on why didn’t Mihawk ever try to follow up. But that’s where your argument comes into play, Oda already answered the question with a nuanced one. It won’t even be easy to get to WB in the first place.

Which also strip teases the audience into thinking how strong WB himself really is if his number 2 can easily deflect “The World’s Greatest Slash” meant for WB.

At the end of the day, the core intention was just to gas WB more. We know this is true since we know what happens throughout the war — a WB wankfest.

None of what you just said contradicts what I said, this is just what you as the reader chose to emphasize. Mihawk’s statement is exactly as I described, his dialogue is on how accessible the King really is (the true distance), without singling himself out.

While the scene can carry multiple layers of meaning, the notion that he sees himself as inferior in one on one combat falls far lower in the pecking order. Sure, you could add that detail to a list of points that portray WB as superior to Mihawk in a 1v1 playing into the trope of "how strong must WB be if we can’t even bypass his underlings." This is also undeniable, cause that's simply how portrayal works. But I'm not going to act like this was the primary or sole purpose of the dialogue and the scene.

 

[Erkan12]

I see... Glad to see the new height of delusions that Kaku would handle Mihawk+another Warlord by himself. >Are you winning, son? v3.0

ZKK and Gaban PTSD Nik can't even read simple posts now, I literally debunked that Kaku ''handled'' Seraphims claim:
''Kaku didn't handle them thats why he was paraylzed and couldn't help Lucci later. Another L for you after ZKK and Scopper Gaban, son. ''

 

[nik87]

This is also undeniable, cause that's simply how portrayal works.

It will be very much deniable when Mihawk is revealed as unbeatable dude at the end of Final Saga but for now, it doesnt matter as there is no dick measuring contest between Mihawk and Whitebeard in that scene whatsoever, just like there is none between Kizaru and WB either.

ZKK and Gaban PTSD Nik can't even read simple posts now, I literally debunked that Kaku ''handled'' Seraphims claim:
''Kaku didn't handle them thats why he was paraylzed and couldn't help Lucci later. Another L for you after ZKK and Scopper Gaban, son. ''

You didnt debunk anything, you are simply coping, as always.
Kaku DID handle them, that's why he was heavily injured, lol.
You are simply mad because I debunked your nonsense that Seraphim are comparable to Warlords.
And dont run away from WB not being able to handle unblockable lasers better than regenerative man or I might straight up call you a chicken.

 

[ZenZu]

It will be very much deniable when Mihawk is revealed as unbeatable dude at the end of Final Saga but for now, it doesnt matter as there is no dick measuring contest between Mihawk and Whitebeard in that scene whatsoever, just like there is none between Kizaru and WB either.

That's precisely the point, Oda didn't commit fully to WB > Mihawk in a 1v1 sense. Portrayal wise, if you look at that scene, this definitely speaks to Whitebeard's favour, but it's not the end all be all.

Mihawk can lap WB, and this statement and scene would still make sense.

 

[trav]

MF WB was below Mihawk in power.
MF WB would lose to Marco. Marco has less AP than WB, but is overall stronger during MF.
Not even remotely capping here. People need to become realistic about old WB. Its agendadriven nonsense by admiral fans to hype him up with top tier. We now got on panel display of top tier power. Can anyone say with a staight face that old MF WB would be able to stalemate Kaido?

As cools as some parts of his interactions in MF were we need to view them in context. There are other instances were great feats were done, but only as a last resort, fully knowing that their life was at an end.
Oden is the most recent example of this.
WB entered the MF fray aware that he would likely not leave the place alive. After Squardo stabbed him it was ogre for him and he knew.

For the Mihawk/WB interaction.
What was the point of interfering in this if WB could handle it himself. Its not a good look no matter what reason the commanders gave.
Prime WB would not allow them to save him. It would be a disgrace.