Questions & Mysteries Monster Trio Training during Time Skip
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Simple and easy...
Sanji's result after training was (decent observation + armament not good enough)
Zoro's result after training was (decent armament + observation not good enough)
Luffy's result was the MOST BALANCED out of all monster trio... with decent armament, decent observation, decent king's haki.... you can add even DF training on top + the fact Rayleigh conveyed to him the knowledge of the advanced versions of both of observation and armament if he came to face such opponents, which he did with Katakuri and now Kaido... he can aim to master them
So... the answer is clear as crystal... but you are free to just stay bias for Zoro just for the sake of being on Zoro's side by using the same god damn reason every time (well we didn't see Zoro's full power yet)
But we both know he sucks at observation... and he is not advanced in level of armament like luffy now.. and he didn't show king's haki... no DF also
So... again... I don't know why people even try to argue.. but whatever...
Sanji's result after training was (decent observation + armament not good enough)
Zoro's result after training was (decent armament + observation not good enough)
Luffy's result was the MOST BALANCED out of all monster trio... with decent armament, decent observation, decent king's haki.... you can add even DF training on top + the fact Rayleigh conveyed to him the knowledge of the advanced versions of both of observation and armament if he came to face such opponents, which he did with Katakuri and now Kaido... he can aim to master them
So... the answer is clear as crystal... but you are free to just stay bias for Zoro just for the sake of being on Zoro's side by using the same god damn reason every time (well we didn't see Zoro's full power yet)
But we both know he sucks at observation... and he is not advanced in level of armament like luffy now.. and he didn't show king's haki... no DF also
So... again... I don't know why people even try to argue.. but whatever...
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For now, I will go with Rayleigh
Rayleigh taught Luffy all types of haki and gave some tips on advanced version and to some extent he helped Luffy mastering G4
Coming to Zoro, all we know so far was that Mihawk taught him haki....and mind you having a strongest teacher doesn't mean that he is the best one.....teaching others and having strength are two different things....
So far Zoro has shown any swordsman skills that he acquired from Mihawk...so up to now, from the manga it can be concluded that Mihawk taught him how to master the haki and coat his blades....like Luffy Zoro could have developed few techniques on his own....
As it looks, Ivankow didn't teach anything to Sanji...whatever Sanji leart, it was on his own.......
Rayleigh taught Luffy all types of haki and gave some tips on advanced version and to some extent he helped Luffy mastering G4
Coming to Zoro, all we know so far was that Mihawk taught him haki....and mind you having a strongest teacher doesn't mean that he is the best one.....teaching others and having strength are two different things....
So far Zoro has shown any swordsman skills that he acquired from Mihawk...so up to now, from the manga it can be concluded that Mihawk taught him how to master the haki and coat his blades....like Luffy Zoro could have developed few techniques on his own....
As it looks, Ivankow didn't teach anything to Sanji...whatever Sanji leart, it was on his own.......
Everybody had probably the best trainer they could get conaidering their skills:
Luffy got a legend teaching him all forms of haki, maybe Shanks couls have been on the same level but Raylwigh has more expereince. Then he developed G4 on his own.
Zoro had undoubtely the best one he could get, not need to explain why.
Sanji was trained in coo, leg power and learned a lot of cooking recipes so his training was tail9red around him too.
Luffy got a legend teaching him all forms of haki, maybe Shanks couls have been on the same level but Raylwigh has more expereince. Then he developed G4 on his own.
Zoro had undoubtely the best one he could get, not need to explain why.
Sanji was trained in coo, leg power and learned a lot of cooking recipes so his training was tail9red around him too.
Let's start with CoO...
All 3 have Observation haki and there is no difference in level mid-combat to the point that it's basically useless...
You cant tell the difference between their CoO to say someone had decent while the other has not good enough.
Next is CoC which does absolutely nothing except knocking the irrelevant fodder out.
So, we have the useless CoC and CoO which levels cant be told apart in combat out of the window.
And we get to the Haki that matters the most - CoA which is where Zoro is miles ahead, since Alabasta while Luffy's CoA failed against CoA-less Hody Jones...
So, Rayleigh taught Luffy the basics of CoC which is useless, CoO which you cant tell apart and CoA which is broken by Foddery Jones.
So, that's what makes Rayleigh a better teacher and Luffy's TS results better?
Rayleigh couldnt teach Luffy how to be a better Rubber-man, he had to do that on his own.
While Zoro was taught how to be better swordsman by the best swordsman through fighting the best swordsman and gaining experience against an actual top tier while Luffy was improving against animals which we cant even call a high tier...
How can you possibly place Luffy's training above Zoro's? It baffles me...
All 3 have Observation haki and there is no difference in level mid-combat to the point that it's basically useless...
You cant tell the difference between their CoO to say someone had decent while the other has not good enough.
Next is CoC which does absolutely nothing except knocking the irrelevant fodder out.
So, we have the useless CoC and CoO which levels cant be told apart in combat out of the window.
And we get to the Haki that matters the most - CoA which is where Zoro is miles ahead, since Alabasta while Luffy's CoA failed against CoA-less Hody Jones...
So, Rayleigh taught Luffy the basics of CoC which is useless, CoO which you cant tell apart and CoA which is broken by Foddery Jones.
So, that's what makes Rayleigh a better teacher and Luffy's TS results better?
Rayleigh couldnt teach Luffy how to be a better Rubber-man, he had to do that on his own.
While Zoro was taught how to be better swordsman by the best swordsman through fighting the best swordsman and gaining experience against an actual top tier while Luffy was improving against animals which we cant even call a high tier...
How can you possibly place Luffy's training above Zoro's? It baffles me...
Your Bald statement is exactly why I don't need to debate... this is a statement of someone who doesn't want to look at ANY fact.. ANY clue... ANYTHING... just for the sake of being on Zoro's side in this argument..
which is basically what I stated... you can do that..
but it doesn't change the fact:
Luffy's Teaching > Zoro's > Sanjji (who had no teachings to begin with....)
which is basically what I stated... you can do that..
but it doesn't change the fact:
Luffy's Teaching > Zoro's > Sanjji (who had no teachings to begin with....)
To claim that Luffy's training was better you need something to support that.
Manga facts are that Luffy's EL power-ups, despite TS improvement, are too weak while Zoro is too stronk that he doesnt even have to resort to using EL power-up...
Manga facts are that Luffy improved by fighting animals which are weak for NW standards while Zoro had nobody else to fight aside from a top tier Mihawk.
What exactly is better about Luffy's training? I still have to hear it from you...
Manga facts are that Luffy's EL power-ups, despite TS improvement, are too weak while Zoro is too stronk that he doesnt even have to resort to using EL power-up...
Manga facts are that Luffy improved by fighting animals which are weak for NW standards while Zoro had nobody else to fight aside from a top tier Mihawk.
What exactly is better about Luffy's training? I still have to hear it from you...
This again shows me you skipped lots of manga panels regarding Luffy's training with Rayleigh... you really need to re-read the series... ironically you skipped some panels regarding Zoro as well... but I'm not surprised that you skipped it considering it would undermine your vision of what Zoro's training was like.... specially the part where Mihawk explains to Zoro what "Humandrills" are!
But again... you're very free to stay stuck in your belief
But again... you're very free to stay stuck in your belief
Youre missing the point that a half dead heavily wounded zoro took out all the monkeys before getting trained by mihawk.
A zoro no where near 100 %
So as zoro actually got closer to full health the gap between him and the already beaten monkeys grows even further.
This added to the fact that zoro has lost an eye in his training shows the extremeness of what mihawk put him through.
Not to mention we see the monkeys post skip are peaceful farmers and it hasnt been that long since zoro left. Another reason why they wouldnt be fighting him.
A zoro no where near 100 %
So as zoro actually got closer to full health the gap between him and the already beaten monkeys grows even further.
This added to the fact that zoro has lost an eye in his training shows the extremeness of what mihawk put him through.
Not to mention we see the monkeys post skip are peaceful farmers and it hasnt been that long since zoro left. Another reason why they wouldnt be fighting him.
Not a head canon he beat them before training.
Not headcanon he was heavily injured when he beat them
Not headcanon there being a huge gap between a healthy zoro and the monkeys
Not headcanon you grow most in extreme situations
Not headcanon he lost an eye
Not headcanon mihawk being the only one there strong enough to take it
Not headcanon the monkeys are jolly farmers now.
So what point do you actually have ?
Not headcanon he was heavily injured when he beat them
Not headcanon there being a huge gap between a healthy zoro and the monkeys
Not headcanon you grow most in extreme situations
Not headcanon he lost an eye
Not headcanon mihawk being the only one there strong enough to take it
Not headcanon the monkeys are jolly farmers now.
So what point do you actually have ?