General & Others Monster Trio will stay
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People will think I'm crazy for saying this, but from what was shown so far from feats. The rank goes like this:
1- Luffy
2- Jinbe
3- Zoro
4- Sanji
Jinbe has shown far better feats than Zoro. Dude, the fact that he was even able to stop Akainu's magma punch pre-timeskip, and his feats with blocking a head on attack from Big Mom without major damage, and on top of it, drive her out of the ship! This in my book tops anything Zoro or Sanji showed thus far (You can give excuses like Big Mom becoming skinnier, but still, Sanji and Zoro never pulled that shit with a very serious attack from an admiral or with confronting a Yonko head on)
HOWEVER, I truly think that both of Zoro and Sanji have FASTER development rate than Jinbe. Which means that they can get stronger with less time than Jinbe (Of course I have no base for this claim except the 2 years timeskip where I think Zoro and Sanji developed by great margin while Jinbe if he developed, it was not by a big margin) So, it's kinda headcanon, but there is some reason behind it.
Which is why I think that the above ranking is the "CURRENT" ranking!
WHILE, after Wano, the new ranking will end up being:
1- Luffy
2- Zoro
3- Sanji = Jinbe
And later in another arc, it will end as:
1- Luffy
2- Zoro
3- Sanji
4- Jinbe
That's my opinion.
I think by the end of serious, those above people will be somewhat similar to Roger's crew where:
1- Luffy = PK level
2- Zoro = Yonko level/ Fleet Admiral level
3- Sanji = Admiral level
4- Jinbe = YFM level
Jinbe is not actualy far from that level, while Zoro and Sanji are far from that level, which is why I'm also saying that their growth rate is gonna be much faster. Not to mention the age factor as Jinbe is in his 40s. While Zoro and Sanji are in early 20s which marks youth and fast growth age.
But anyway, I see Jinbe at this current time MORE FORMIDABLE than both of Zoro and Sanji.
1- Luffy
2- Jinbe
3- Zoro
4- Sanji
Jinbe has shown far better feats than Zoro. Dude, the fact that he was even able to stop Akainu's magma punch pre-timeskip, and his feats with blocking a head on attack from Big Mom without major damage, and on top of it, drive her out of the ship! This in my book tops anything Zoro or Sanji showed thus far (You can give excuses like Big Mom becoming skinnier, but still, Sanji and Zoro never pulled that shit with a very serious attack from an admiral or with confronting a Yonko head on)
HOWEVER, I truly think that both of Zoro and Sanji have FASTER development rate than Jinbe. Which means that they can get stronger with less time than Jinbe (Of course I have no base for this claim except the 2 years timeskip where I think Zoro and Sanji developed by great margin while Jinbe if he developed, it was not by a big margin) So, it's kinda headcanon, but there is some reason behind it.
Which is why I think that the above ranking is the "CURRENT" ranking!
WHILE, after Wano, the new ranking will end up being:
1- Luffy
2- Zoro
3- Sanji = Jinbe
And later in another arc, it will end as:
1- Luffy
2- Zoro
3- Sanji
4- Jinbe
That's my opinion.
I think by the end of serious, those above people will be somewhat similar to Roger's crew where:
1- Luffy = PK level
2- Zoro = Yonko level/ Fleet Admiral level
3- Sanji = Admiral level
4- Jinbe = YFM level
Jinbe is not actualy far from that level, while Zoro and Sanji are far from that level, which is why I'm also saying that their growth rate is gonna be much faster. Not to mention the age factor as Jinbe is in his 40s. While Zoro and Sanji are in early 20s which marks youth and fast growth age.
But anyway, I see Jinbe at this current time MORE FORMIDABLE than both of Zoro and Sanji.
It's a fun subject to talk about, right now it's speculative. I still have Luffy Zoro Sanji, but, we'll have a definitive answer after wano in terms of power level. Im not happy Sanji didnt have an opponent to defeat on WCI, and they've given Zoro mutliple fights for a reason, hopefully this act will give us a better picture so we dont have to wait too long to see everyone's true power
This isn't the place to be doing it. Though I agree that M3 won't ever change.
Shanks has the smallest crew among the Yonko and we've recently learned that it's the most balanced crew with multiple commanders being closer to their captain than those from the other Yonko crews. Roger's crew was like that too more or less. Luffy's crew is far smaller than both of them. It's exceedingly impossible to surpass these guys if Luffy's main fighters aren't as close to him as possible.
Law is an outsider, I don't see how Law receiving somespot light in the arcs which center around him changes the crew's dynamic.
Shanks has the smallest crew among the Yonko and we've recently learned that it's the most balanced crew with multiple commanders being closer to their captain than those from the other Yonko crews. Roger's crew was like that too more or less. Luffy's crew is far smaller than both of them. It's exceedingly impossible to surpass these guys if Luffy's main fighters aren't as close to him as possible.
Law is an outsider, I don't see how Law receiving somespot light in the arcs which center around him changes the crew's dynamic.
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Jinbe's case is quite interesting coz the SHs are a bit similar to the Red Hair Pirates who have 3 stand out commanders under Shanks in Benn, Lucky Roo & Yasopp. For the SHs if we're going to be mirroring those 3, it'd be Zoro, Sanji & Usopp. So Jinbe doesn't really fit here which makes you wonder if he'd actually join the SHs. Just food for thought though, I personally don't have anything against Jinbe joining the crew.
On topic, even if Jinbe joins, I think it becomes the monster quartet, regardless of whether Luffy appears to be more than a tad stronger than the rest. (On this though, I personally think we should wait until Wano ends, after seeing both Zoro & Sanji go all out before drawing conclusions but I won't deny that it does appear to be that way atm.)
Even though there's a case for the monster trio being comparable in strength (I personally think so, or at least I think this was the case pre-ts), I think the thing that made Luffy, Zoro and Sanji the monster trio in the first place is their monstrous strength especially in comparison to the other crew members, and Jinbe fits the mold of those 3.
Now with regards to whether the strength dynamics in the crew will change, my personal opinion is that it won't. So we'd still have Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and then Jinbe will be the 4th strongest. Seems to be becoming a pattern now that each time someone strong is about to join the SHs, certain folks for some reason always replace Sanji with him/her
(I wasn't on OroJackson during the Alabasta or Enies Lobby arcs, but I've heard that folks thought Robin and Franky would be stronger than Sanji when they joined...lolz)
On topic, even if Jinbe joins, I think it becomes the monster quartet, regardless of whether Luffy appears to be more than a tad stronger than the rest. (On this though, I personally think we should wait until Wano ends, after seeing both Zoro & Sanji go all out before drawing conclusions but I won't deny that it does appear to be that way atm.)
Even though there's a case for the monster trio being comparable in strength (I personally think so, or at least I think this was the case pre-ts), I think the thing that made Luffy, Zoro and Sanji the monster trio in the first place is their monstrous strength especially in comparison to the other crew members, and Jinbe fits the mold of those 3.
Now with regards to whether the strength dynamics in the crew will change, my personal opinion is that it won't. So we'd still have Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and then Jinbe will be the 4th strongest. Seems to be becoming a pattern now that each time someone strong is about to join the SHs, certain folks for some reason always replace Sanji with him/her
(I wasn't on OroJackson during the Alabasta or Enies Lobby arcs, but I've heard that folks thought Robin and Franky would be stronger than Sanji when they joined...lolz)
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Power dyanamic of Zoro n Sanji in the crew will never change, no matter who joins in they will be strongest force Luffy has.
They could already be stronger than Jinbei, if not they will be when he joins in.
It exactly is like When Robin n Franky joined in.
It could still be Luffy, Zoro n Sanji.
Or Luffy PK with Zoro, Sanji n Jinbei.
Tbh Luffy is currently way out of other league, making his way into Top tier. While Zoro n Sanji is yet to beat a High tier so far in the story. So latter sounds much more likely, but post Wano will show what's the new diff between em when they all go all out.
They could already be stronger than Jinbei, if not they will be when he joins in.
It exactly is like When Robin n Franky joined in.
It could still be Luffy, Zoro n Sanji.
Or Luffy PK with Zoro, Sanji n Jinbei.
Tbh Luffy is currently way out of other league, making his way into Top tier. While Zoro n Sanji is yet to beat a High tier so far in the story. So latter sounds much more likely, but post Wano will show what's the new diff between em when they all go all out.
You might be onto something, it's hard to see Jinbei growing that strong EoS, given he already might be in his Prime.
But then again i am not sure, we have one FA n 3 Admirals and Yonkou n 3 YCs for next fights. Characters doesn't have to be limited because of Age in One piece, things don't work that way, it's fiction.
When JINBEI faces strong opponents n relive hard journey with the SHs he would grow strong together with the SHs as he needs to be. I see EoS Jinbei stronger than Prime Oden at the very least.
But then again i am not sure, we have one FA n 3 Admirals and Yonkou n 3 YCs for next fights. Characters doesn't have to be limited because of Age in One piece, things don't work that way, it's fiction.
When JINBEI faces strong opponents n relive hard journey with the SHs he would grow strong together with the SHs as he needs to be. I see EoS Jinbei stronger than Prime Oden at the very least.
The dynamic of the luffy zoro and sanji aint ever gonna change tho that doesn't mean there cant be an added dynamic
Just like zoro will always be luffy's unofficial vice captain
Sanji and zoro will always be luffys right and left hand men. It doesn't necessarily need to be called the monster trio but those 3 will always be the top 3 of the crew
With jinbei (or hopefully a new female member...) it'll just add another dynamic. With them along with zoro and sanji being considered luffys top men and commanders. Its not gonna take away from any thing
Just like zoro will always be luffy's unofficial vice captain
Sanji and zoro will always be luffys right and left hand men. It doesn't necessarily need to be called the monster trio but those 3 will always be the top 3 of the crew
With jinbei (or hopefully a new female member...) it'll just add another dynamic. With them along with zoro and sanji being considered luffys top men and commanders. Its not gonna take away from any thing
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Sanji and zoro fandom still believe the gap is small between luffy and his two best men ...
Oda hasn't even given any of them a proper fight vs high tier in over 5 arcs... even after PU, they just cant take on commanders coz there are many strong dudes in one arc to be fed
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Jinbei>zoro and Sanji
None of them have surpassed him yet until they beat high tier level dudes this arc
Whether whether help or not
Oda hasn't even given any of them a proper fight vs high tier in over 5 arcs... even after PU, they just cant take on commanders coz there are many strong dudes in one arc to be fed
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Jinbei>zoro and Sanji
None of them have surpassed him yet until they beat high tier level dudes this arc
Whether whether help or not