Questions & Mysteries My Thoughts on Zoro's Lineage

[ShishioIsBack]

Tbh Fascination about Zoro's family mom, dad was created mostly by online nerds, Zoro's and even Luffy's character was not about Family.

Both are ambitious guys who are driven to reach their goals, surpass everyone on their way.

Core of Zoro's character is that he is extremely noble guy who also has great ambition.
He is driven by his promise to his dead best friend and then further to his captain.

Oda expanded upon Zoro's journey as a swordsman, we got to learn about Zoro's philosophy as a swordsman in Alabasta and then it evolved from cutting to kill, just like Daz Bones to cutting to protect.

Oda developed Zoro as a leader in Water 7.
His Sacrificial nature was highlighted in Thriller Bark.

In Wano Oda essentially highlighted all his traits
-Leadership
-Sacrifice
-His philosophy as a swordsman further evolved with Kuzaboro flashback

Zoro has his ultimate goal aka Mihawk who he is trying to surpass and Luffy has Shanks.

Zoro has gotten plenty of flash back but they all one way or another are related to his goals.

Family drams and all that bullshit are for minor chracters like Nico Robin and Sanji who don't have much going on in the grand scale.

With that said, it would have been a bit better if Oda revealed all that in Wano and not SBS.

But its not that big of a deal, Oda will probably reveal Luffy's mom in SBS as well.

Covered my thoughts here

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[Krusher1357]

If you claim to be a zoro fan and AREN'T offended by that reveal... You aren't a fan of zoro, you just want the clout

 

[ShishioIsBack]

If you claim to be a zoro fan and AREN'T offended by that reveal... You aren't a fan of zoro, you just want the clout

Why would I be offended lmao?
I said it woulda been better if done in manga but not that big of a deal dude

 

[Krusher1357]

Why would I be offended lmao?
I said it woulda been better if done in manga but not that big of a deal dude

Tbh, considering this is meant to be a manga with writing centred around destiny, fate, themes and long running mysteries, this is a massive let down.

It wouldn't be a big deal if oda
A. Gave it a bit more backing and build up (not just the typical "haha zoro has scar like ryuma"
B. Didn't just fuck us around with ushimaru in the SBS prior
C. didn't just waste a whole arc in the place zoro's family literally fucking comes...

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Tbh, considering this is meant to be a manga with writing centred around destiny, fate, themes and long running mysteries, this is a massive let down.

It wouldn't be a big deal if oda
A. Gave it a bit more backing and build up (not just the typical "haha zoro has scar like ryuma"
B. Didn't just fuck us around with ushimaru in the SBS prior
C. didn't just waste a whole arc in the place zoro's family literally fucking comes...

Well truthfully core of Zoro's character that makes him arguably second if not most popular are his individual traits.

Oda has fleshed Zoro out and even developed him plenty
He created swordsmanship styles, sword grades, techniques, elemental swordsmanship, Ryou all that shit, and dayam he also created Mihawk lol.

And even sub set of that, which is where direct character work comes in is the philosophy and outlook towards the world as a swordsman, where Zoro has developed and changed his stance multiple times in manga. Went in an arrogant punk who thought he had already conquered the world, to be humbled by Mihawk, but it also laid out Zoro's tenacity and strong will power, where instead of shattering and giving up, he made his dream even stronger.

His approach to swordsmanship changed in his fight with Mr1 where he said he fights to protect those he needs to protect. It was evolved even further when we got Enma and Kuzaburo flashback in King fight where Zoro talks about nature of blades and what they are designed for, how to conqueor a blade.

Then his sacrificial nature, leadership and level headedness is highlighted.

He is essentially a much better written and much more relatable version of Luffy.

I'd rather not have that destiny bullshit slapped on to Zoro and rather have his own identity.
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Tbh, considering this is meant to be a manga with writing centred around destiny, fate, themes and long running mysteries, this is a massive let down.

It wouldn't be a big deal if oda
A. Gave it a bit more backing and build up (not just the typical "haha zoro has scar like ryuma"
B. Didn't just fuck us around with ushimaru in the SBS prior
C. didn't just waste a whole arc in the place zoro's family literally fucking comes...

But then revealing this shit in SBS was dumb as fuck and I talk about that several times in my video if you'd actually see it lol

 

[Krusher1357]

Well truthfully core of Zoro's character that makes him arguably second if not most popular are his individual traits.

Oda has fleshed Zoro out and even developed him plenty
He created swordsmanship styles, sword grades, techniques, elemental swordsmanship, Ryou all that shit, and dayam he also created Mihawk lol.

And even sub set of that, which is where direct character work comes in is the philosophy and outlook towards the world as a swordsman, where Zoro has developed and changed his stance multiple times in manga. Went in an arrogant punk who thought he had already conquered the world, to be humbled by Mihawk, but it also laid out Zoro's tenacity and strong will power, where instead of shattering and giving up, he made his dream even stronger.

His approach to swordsmanship changed in his fight with Mr1 where he said he fights to protect those he needs to protect. It was evolved even further when we got Enma and Kuzaburo flashback in King fight where Zoro talks about nature of blades and what they are designed for, how to conqueor a blade.

Then his sacrificial nature, leadership and level headedness is highlighted.

He is essentially a much better written and much more relatable version of Luffy.

I'd rather not have that destiny bullshit slapped on to Zoro and rather have his own identity.
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But then revealing this shit in SBS was dumb as fuck and I talk about that several times in my video if you'd actually see it lol

You do realise that zoro being revealed a shimotsuki literally takes away all the individuality you are talking about.

Nearly every single trait you've mentioned appear to be a trait the shimotsukis that have been on panel have had.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't understand the fuss about his lineage. Until Wano almost everybody didn't care much and thought he was just the orphan of some random parents and what made him special was his dedication to training.
Now suddenly some of them people want Zoro to have special parents or ancesters.

It doesn't change anything for the story, his current strength or where he will end up at EOS.

 

[Krusher1357]

I don't understand the fuss about his lineage. Until Wano almost everybody didn't care much and thought he was just the orphan of some random parents and what made him special was his dedication to training.
Now suddenly some of them people want Zoro to have special parents or ancesters.

It doesn't change anything for the story, his current strength or where he will end up at EOS.

How would you have felt if luffy's flashback wasnt shown in the first arc and it was revealed the SBS after the arc in a rushed, barely comprehensive to the story kinda way

 

[Luffy is the mc]

How would you have felt if luffy's flashback wasnt shown in the first arc and it was revealed the SBS after the arc in a rushed, barely comprehensive to the story kinda way

While flashbacks can be a nice addition, I actually don't care much about them

 

[Krusher1357]

While flashbacks can be a nice addition, I actually don't care much about them

Fair enough. What if an important scene about a character was cut from a movie just to be spoken about, in full detail, on an interview right after the movie. It seems redundant, no?

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Fair enough. What if an important scene about a character was cut from a movie just to be spoken about, in full detail, on an interview right after the movie. It seems redundant, no?

If it's important, it should be in the story but I don't think Zoro's lineage is important for the story nor his character. They're just some samurai like there was plenty in Wano.

 

[Krusher1357]

If it's important, it should be in the story but I don't think Zoro's lineage is important for the story nor his character. They're just some samurai like there was plenty in Wano.

Bruh, it is important for his character now. after seeing wano and the portrayal of 3 other shimotsukis, all zoro is is just another shimotsuki sword lord. All shown shimotsukis are loyal, dependable, self-sacrificing, powerful, + every other zoro trait. Bro they all even fight the fucking same, zoro even adapted great uncle ushi's nitoryu without even seeing the master in practice. Everything that made zoro him is shared by shimotsuki's #1 through to #1000

You could give me a rapsheet of all the shimotsukis traits and I wouldn't be able to tell you which shimotsuki was which

 

[ShishioIsBack]

How would you have felt if luffy's flashback wasnt shown in the first arc and it was revealed the SBS after the arc in a rushed, barely comprehensive to the story kinda way

Zoro's flashback was also shown in first arc tho.

The flash back that actually matters to the story.
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Bruh, it is important for his character now. after seeing wano and the portrayal of 3 other shimotsukis, all zoro is is just another shimotsuki sword lord. All shown shimotsukis are loyal, dependable, self-sacrificing, powerful, + every other zoro trait. Bro they all even fight the fucking same, zoro even adapted great uncle ushi's nitoryu without even seeing the master in practice. Everything that made zoro him is shared by shimotsuki's #1 through to #1000

You could give me a rapsheet of all the shimotsukis traits and I wouldn't be able to tell you which shimotsuki was which

Umm no difference is more shimotsuki are fodder while Zoro is this guy

 

[Krusher1357]

Umm no difference is more shimotsuki are fodder while Zoro is this guy

LOL


That guy looks like he just got SBS diffed

 

[ShiShiShi]

Couldn’t you say Zoro’s arc is almost the entirety of One Piece? He seems to be the second most focused character in the story.

He was probably just some normal kid who wanted to become a swordsman. Sure, it’s unfortunate that his lineage was revealed in an SBS which probably means Oda won’t highlight it in the manga but it is what it is.

He’s probably thinking “I can save some time by revealing this now!“ since it seems he wants to focus strictly on the Final Saga and nothing else. This probably means we won’t be getting more Straw Hat lore in the manga and any further interesting facts about them will be featured in the SBS.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Couldn’t you say Zoro’s arc is almost the entirety of One Piece? He seems to be the second most focused character in the story.

He was probably just some normal kid who wanted to become a swordsman. Sure, it’s unfortunate that his lineage was revealed in an SBS which probably means Oda won’t highlight it in the manga but it is what it is.

He’s probably thinking “I can save some time by revealing this now!“ since it seems he wants to focus strictly on the Final Saga and nothing else. This probably means we won’t be getting more Straw Hat lore in the manga and any further interesting facts about them will be featured in the SBS.

That what it is lol, like Zoro and Luffy aren't getting individual arcs, they are fleshed out virtually every arc.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Bruh, it is important for his character now. after seeing wano and the portrayal of 3 other shimotsukis, all zoro is is just another shimotsuki sword lord. All shown shimotsukis are loyal, dependable, self-sacrificing, powerful, + every other zoro trait. Bro they all even fight the fucking same, zoro even adapted great uncle ushi's nitoryu without even seeing the master in practice. Everything that made zoro him is shared by shimotsuki's #1 through to #1000

You could give me a rapsheet of all the shimotsukis traits and I wouldn't be able to tell you which shimotsuki was which

It's not important. What does it change for the story or for him? He doesn't know them and doesn't seem to care about it.
His obsession is being the WSS, him being a Shimotsuki is irrelevant to that purpose.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

ANy thoughts on the video guys?

 

[ConquistadoR]

How would you have felt if luffy's flashback wasnt shown in the first arc and it was revealed the SBS after the arc in a rushed, barely comprehensive to the story kinda way

I understand where you are coming from, but tbf this isn't a "Backstory"... Zoro has a backstory and that involves Kuina, Koushirou, Wado Ichimonji & his dream. This is basically extra lore info about his family tree.

It's irrelevant to me because I like Zoro to be this prphan turned self made man anyway.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I understand where you are coming from, but tbf this isn't a "Backstory"... Zoro has a backstory and that involves Kuina, Koushirou, Wado Ichimonji & his dream. This is basically extra lore info about his family tree.

It's irrelevant to me because I like Zoro to be this prphan turned self made man anyway.

Zoro essentially has a back story and character development associated to every aspect of his character which is core of his character.

Loyalty
Swordsmanship
Leadership
Sacrifice
Understanding the world
Ambition