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Who would win this year (2024/25) ?

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Jiihad

Survivors Guilt
wouldn’t say Luka is overall better than Kawhi right now but he has a higher ceiling for sure. As far as this series goes Luka has been performing the best tho Kawhi hasn’t been that far behind.
Like won’t ever be ever in tha same stratosphere as Kawhi on defense, but he influences tha game far far more and can flat out control tha game Kawhi doesn’t do that
 
Suns have no shot at winning the entire thing
maybe not the championship but they have a pretty fair shot to get to the Finals at least. Other than the Lakers who they're playing rn (especially if AD is a no go for Game 5) and maybe the Clippers, no one else in the West really scares Phoenix tbh and they have a good chance to win otherwise.

If they have to face a team like the Nets or the Bucks in the finals, then they might be in trouble. But all in all, Phoenix should be able to at least advance to the Conference Finals if everything goes right for them
 
Like won’t ever be ever in tha same stratosphere as Kawhi on defense, but he influences tha game far far more and can flat out control tha game Kawhi doesn’t do that
You’re saying this like Kawhi ain’t a 2x champion and 2x finals mvp. Kawhi has great impact on the game through his defense and efficienct scoring. Tbh, only thing Luka got over Kawhi is playmaking for real. Kawhi is a more polished better all around player than Luka.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
You’re saying this like Kawhi ain’t a 2x champion and 2x finals mvp. Kawhi has great impact on the game through his defense and efficienct scoring. Tbh, only thing Luka got over Kawhi is playmaking for real. Kawhi is a more polished better all around player than Luka.
Put Luka on this loaded Clippers team and put Kawhi on Dallas and you're probably looking at a Clipper's sweep.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Clippers would probably win because they are the all around better team, but it wouldn’t be a sweep.
Doubt it. Dallas doesn't even have someone who can really create on their own, Kawhi can't do anything for them he'll be on an island. In fact I'm not even sure Kawhi could bring this team to the playoffs.

Obviously you can argue fit. But the point remains Luka on the Clippers would be dominating the West.
 

Jiihad

Survivors Guilt
You’re saying this like Kawhi ain’t a 2x champion and 2x finals mvp. Kawhi has great impact on the game through his defense and efficienct scoring. Tbh, only thing Luka got over Kawhi is playmaking for real. Kawhi is a more polished better all around player than Luka.
Where in my post did I say Kawhi wasn’t a great player?

Kawhi is great if you put him in a good/great Ecosystem/habitat. He doesn’t create said ecosystem or habitat. Luka does, Lukas influence on his team/tha game is only really matched by Bron, Steph, Dame, CP3, KD, Jokic. Kawhi don’t make his teammates better if we bring honest
 
Just saw that. Lmao r.i.p Clippers.
Chuck had PTSD from his series against Kenny's Rockets in 1994/1995 lol. He was tied 3-3 and up 3-1 in 1995 on the Rockets in those respective series when he was on the Suns that he ended up losing both in 7 games
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Just saw that. Lmao r.i.p Clippers.
Clippers ain't letting go of the gas pedal rn, 5 straight points in the first minute already
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0/5 from the FT line for Doncic
 
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Where in my post did I say Kawhi wasn’t a great player?

Kawhi is great if you put him in a good/great Ecosystem/habitat. He doesn’t create said ecosystem or habitat. Luka does, Lukas influence on his team/tha game is only really matched by Bron, Steph, Dame, CP3, KD, Jokic. Kawhi don’t make his teammates better if we bring honest
So who created the good system on the Raptors? Kyle Lowry? Let’s not jump the gun and act like Luka has created a successful system too. He hasn’t had any playoff success yet to say he creates a great system.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
So who created the good system on the Raptors? Kyle Lowry?
Yea..actually. Lowry was initating the offense. Kawhi came into an already well established system/deepest roster in the league. They had a legit 12 man rotation.

Raps were an amazing 17-5 without Kawhi that season. Obviously they needed Kawhi (they were 1 superstar away from breaking through), but he needed them just as much.
 
Yea..actually. Lowry was initating the offense. Kawhi came into an already well established system/deepest roster in the league. They had a legit 12 man rotation.

Raps were an amazing 17-5 without Kawhi that season. Obviously they needed Kawhi (they were 1 superstar away from breaking through), but he needed them just as much.
you could also say if the Raptors had him in the bubble, they could have been in the ECF against Miami as well. They were 1-2 shots at the end of game 7 to win the game against the Celtics
 
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Haoshoku

I guess it just comes down to accomplishments between Luka and Kawhi. That might not be a convincing argument to give Kawhi the edge but he does have that playoff run with the Raps and lets be honest they wouldn’t have beat Philly had it not been for those wild 40 point games he was having.
 
Yea..actually. Lowry was initating the offense. Kawhi came into an already well established system/deepest roster in the league. They had a legit 12 man rotation.

Raps were an amazing 17-5 without Kawhi that season. Obviously they needed Kawhi (they were 1 superstar away from breaking through), but he needed them just as much.
Really? Lowry created a successful system? Then why hasn’t his teams had any success without Kawhi or DeMar? From what I remember ever since Kawhi left, the Lowry led Raptors haven’t done shit.

If we’re just going off of who initiates the offense, then yeah Luka is for sure a much better playmaker than Kawhi. Lowry is too. But like I said Playmaking is all Luka has over Kawhi.
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I can agree with Luka being the more “impactful” offensive player than Kawhi. But he ain’t a better basketball player than Kawhi Leonard.
 
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Haoshoku

Really? Lowry created a successful system? Then why hasn’t his teams had any success without Kawhi or DeMar? From what I remember ever since Kawhi left, the Lowry/Siakam led Raptors haven’t done shit.
They did push the Celtics to 7 games in a Semi Finals loss tbf, it was a close series. They were just missing that extra juice on offense since Siakam was getting shut down.
 
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