General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Not sure if this has been discussed yet but I think Kuzan is a strong argument in favor of Loki joining the SHs.
A lot of folks have been going on about Loki being too strong to join but that didn’t stop Kuzan from joining the Blackbeard Pirates & he is unlikely to fight either Zoro or Sanji matchup wise.
Then there’s the parallel angle. SHs and Blackbeard Pirates are like two sides of the same coin even down to their numbers so thinking about it from that perspective there’s a need to balance Kuzan’s addition to the Blackbeard Pirates on the SH side so Loki being as strong as he is could very well be that balancing act.
As such Loki’s strength is not really a point against him not joining. On the contrary, it’s actually a strong argument for it.
A lot of folks have been going on about Loki being too strong to join but that didn’t stop Kuzan from joining the Blackbeard Pirates & he is unlikely to fight either Zoro or Sanji matchup wise.
Then there’s the parallel angle. SHs and Blackbeard Pirates are like two sides of the same coin even down to their numbers so thinking about it from that perspective there’s a need to balance Kuzan’s addition to the Blackbeard Pirates on the SH side so Loki being as strong as he is could very well be that balancing act.
As such Loki’s strength is not really a point against him not joining. On the contrary, it’s actually a strong argument for it.
Don’t think Loki’s above Luffy but that’s an argument for another thread 🫂. On Zoro & Sanji though, that isn’t necessarily true. Robin was arguably stronger than both when she boarded the ship & she also had a higher bounty than both to boot. It is very rare but it’s happened before.
Regardless like I’ve said in several threads already, I expect both Zoro & Sanji to be bonified top tiers at the end of this arc with both getting significant PUs. I also don’t think Loki is as strong as folks on here are making him out to be but we will know soon enough.
Regardless like I’ve said in several threads already, I expect both Zoro & Sanji to be bonified top tiers at the end of this arc with both getting significant PUs. I also don’t think Loki is as strong as folks on here are making him out to be but we will know soon enough.
That’s an assumption by the fanbase though. There’s no guarantee that that will happen. I mean this is the same fanbase that expected Aokiji to ally with Teach and not actually join but here we are (tbf I was also part of that crowd) 
Fanfic from the fanbase aside, based on the current setup of the Blackbeard Pirates an addition like Loki to the SHs makes sense imo.
Fanfic from the fanbase aside, based on the current setup of the Blackbeard Pirates an addition like Loki to the SHs makes sense imo.
That’s an assumption by the fanbase though. There’s no guarantee that that will happen. I mean this is the same fanbase that expected Aokiji to ally with Teach and not actually join but here we are (tbf I was also part of that crowd)
You are definitly in the deep stage of the yamabros
Kuzan sticking till the end with bb is not happening.
Cuz unlike other members he is not criminal even if has bounty , he want justice, so even his goal must at least make leave teach at somepoint or maybe even fight with him.
Yep every l member of bb has his own goal but kuzan is different.
He is on mission.
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So this make kuzan fighting strawhats alongside bb doesn't make sense , even he was friendly with them on many occasions.
If was akainu yeb it could work , but not kuzan never and ever.
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Now loki point oda could postpone his joining same as jinbe , I think SHs would make short 2nd short journey before final war
That give yamato chance to join with loki later.
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Also look at jinbe now he is like lol 😆 fkn weak , this would not happed to him in dressrosa if joined at fishman arc
So same thing for loki he will just make oda busy handling his role
That maybe why he will be delayed to last arcs
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Cuz unlike other members he is not criminal even if has bounty , he want justice, so even his goal must at least make leave teach at somepoint or maybe even fight with him.
Yep every l member of bb has his own goal but kuzan is different.
He is on mission.
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So this make kuzan fighting strawhats alongside bb doesn't make sense , even he was friendly with them on many occasions.
If was akainu yeb it could work , but not kuzan never and ever.
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Now loki point oda could postpone his joining same as jinbe , I think SHs would make short 2nd short journey before final war
That give yamato chance to join with loki later.
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Also look at jinbe now he is like lol 😆 fkn weak , this would not happed to him in dressrosa if joined at fishman arc
So same thing for loki he will just make oda busy handling his role
That maybe why he will be delayed to last arcs
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Are you saying Kuzan is a regular member and it will be loki vs kuzan?
You are definitly in the deep stage of the yamabros
You are definitly in the deep stage of the yamabros
That said however is Kuzan not a member of the BB Pirates or am I making that up? Coz I’m confused lol. You’re basically prioritizing fan headcanon over what the manga has shown us.
Lastly I’m offended with the Yamato ting lol
Never thought for a sec that she was going to join as she didn’t really give SH vibes. Whole existence of that character is forced imo but I digress.
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What are you lot on lol?
Oda made Kuzan a member of the BB Pirates and not an ally not me lol. My argument is based off of manga fact. You might not like it but that is the reality.
If Loki ends up not joining it is what is, life goes on 🤷🏿♂️but I don’t think I’ve said anything logically inconsistent if anything although I see where you guys are coming from I’m not the one basing my argument on headcanon.
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Now this a is a better argument & also a fair point ^^ but you gotta keep in mind we have Oda outchea saying that Shiryu is the number 2 of the Blackbeard pirates irregardless of Aokiji joining which is weird no?
So Oda himself is aware the argument you are making & still persisting with said narrative which tells me that Kuzan joining can only be a positive for the potential strength of BB’s top boys in same vein that Loki joining the SHs would for Zoro & Sanji.
Right now it looks very ridiculous but not necessarily if Teach becomes the final antagonist of the series and even at this point, Zoro & Sanji’s opponents post Elbaf are going to have to be mid top tier plus if Oda’s going to be establishing them as significant threats going forward.
Sure, the possibility of Kuzan dropping out of the BB pirates prior to the SHs matchup is there but I don’t think it’s very likely at this point. If Kuzan was going to bail on the BB Pirates the Garp incident should’ve done it and also keep in mind that it wasn’t like this incident was what made him a BB pirate, he was already one prior to it. Where Oda’s going with Kuzan I don’t know, I don’t think he’s completely drank the cuul aid but I do think he’s determined to see this to the end even if it means soiling his name. Garp had a similar choice btw and chose to stay with the marines but what did that change?
fyi Kuzan is one of my fav characters in the series. Always been top 3~5 for me ^^
So Oda himself is aware the argument you are making & still persisting with said narrative which tells me that Kuzan joining can only be a positive for the potential strength of BB’s top boys in same vein that Loki joining the SHs would for Zoro & Sanji.
Right now it looks very ridiculous but not necessarily if Teach becomes the final antagonist of the series and even at this point, Zoro & Sanji’s opponents post Elbaf are going to have to be mid top tier plus if Oda’s going to be establishing them as significant threats going forward.
Sure, the possibility of Kuzan dropping out of the BB pirates prior to the SHs matchup is there but I don’t think it’s very likely at this point. If Kuzan was going to bail on the BB Pirates the Garp incident should’ve done it and also keep in mind that it wasn’t like this incident was what made him a BB pirate, he was already one prior to it. Where Oda’s going with Kuzan I don’t know, I don’t think he’s completely drank the cuul aid but I do think he’s determined to see this to the end even if it means soiling his name. Garp had a similar choice btw and chose to stay with the marines but what did that change?
fyi Kuzan is one of my fav characters in the series. Always been top 3~5 for me ^^
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Exactly. That is precisely why a lot of people think he will not stick with them. If he were a genuine subordinate, he would naturally be the seond based on strength. The fact that he isn't treated as such suggests he is an anomaly.
The fact that Oda calls Shiryu 2 while Kuzan is right there proves that the standard hierarchy doesn't apply to the Blackbeard Pirates right now. We evem see a special recruitment scene where Teach actually panics and holds his crew back to engage Kuzan. Which again is why more elobrate than Shiryu recruit scene.
If BB is an endgame villain, his crew will get stronger, sure. But if Kuzan is just a "regular member," wouldn't he get stronger too?
I can't imagine a timeline in One Piece where things progress so far that a Fleet Admiral candidate becomes the 4th strongest guy in a crew. That would basically reduce an Admiral to the narrative role of a Tobi Roppo.
For that to happen, the power creep would have to be insane. Kuzan was basically equal to Akainu. For him to be pushed down the hierarchy, it implies that Shiryu + someone else will all become stronger than prime Akainu. Now thats not impossible as oda escalets power levels, however:
This means for him to powercrept all of the marines would have been defeated in the Story. Those characters are also linked to him so he would stay with the BBP and nothing weird would happen after these story beats play out?
That means 2 things a) Either that whole section would play out without Kuzans involvement (weird and bad) B) Kuzan would be present, involved but as part of the BBP i guess despite BBP in general seeing Marines just as scum to be slaughtered?
idk like i get the power argument im not attached to powerlevel progression (as oda himself clearly isnt) but i dont see it storywise for kuzan
The fact that Oda calls Shiryu 2 while Kuzan is right there proves that the standard hierarchy doesn't apply to the Blackbeard Pirates right now. We evem see a special recruitment scene where Teach actually panics and holds his crew back to engage Kuzan. Which again is why more elobrate than Shiryu recruit scene.
If BB is an endgame villain, his crew will get stronger, sure. But if Kuzan is just a "regular member," wouldn't he get stronger too?
I can't imagine a timeline in One Piece where things progress so far that a Fleet Admiral candidate becomes the 4th strongest guy in a crew. That would basically reduce an Admiral to the narrative role of a Tobi Roppo.
For that to happen, the power creep would have to be insane. Kuzan was basically equal to Akainu. For him to be pushed down the hierarchy, it implies that Shiryu + someone else will all become stronger than prime Akainu. Now thats not impossible as oda escalets power levels, however:
This means for him to powercrept all of the marines would have been defeated in the Story. Those characters are also linked to him so he would stay with the BBP and nothing weird would happen after these story beats play out?
That means 2 things a) Either that whole section would play out without Kuzans involvement (weird and bad) B) Kuzan would be present, involved but as part of the BBP i guess despite BBP in general seeing Marines just as scum to be slaughtered?
idk like i get the power argument im not attached to powerlevel progression (as oda himself clearly isnt
) but i dont see it storywise for kuzanNot really,
The color spread is based off of strength and was confirmed with Law’s crew by Oda iirc.
So irregardless of whether Aokiji joins, Oda’s is telling us that Shiryu is No.2. Logically it doesn’t make sense at the moment but it doesn’t really matter at this point tbh. Most important ting is that Shiryu is the No.2 by the time the BB pirates face off against Teach and his boys.
Even the argument that Kuzan is going to leave the crew prior to the matchups has no bearing on that statement as Kuzan is quite literally a member of the BB pirates atm. So Oda can do two things to stick with the narrative you’re going for. 1.) upscale BB’s top 2 to be > Kuzan or 2.) have Kuzan leave.
most logical choice atm given Kuzan’s choice in the Garp fight, the need to upscale Zoro & Sanji’s opponents in relation to their PLs, the potential of Teach as the final antagonist & the existence of god tiers is the former imo.
Again an admiral was killed by Rocks mid-diff at worst & said Rocks was negged by Imu. So we are already past the point of preserving Admiral power levels. This is no slight on the admirals btw bar has simply just been raised higher.
Depends on Kuzan’s objective, at the very least I don’t think Kuzan’s goal is to increase his individual strength level.
Already addressed this point above with my Admiral < Rocks << Imu argument.
Luffy’s ceiling is god tier right around where Imu is so again we already past the level of preserving the strength of the Admirals and same applies to the Yonko tbh.
On Akainu, he can be as strong as Oda wants him to be at this point. He came out on top against Kuzan after all & Oda could give him ACoC and or awakening to set him apart from the other Admirals.
Also Kuzan being no.4 of the bb pirates doesn’t make him a Tobi Roppo equivalent. That is still top exec level.
How so? Doesn’t the fact that Aokiji is part of the BB pirates negate this argument? He even played a major part in the capture of Garp so this argument is not really computing atm.
Also Teach’s goal is not the eradication of the marines but rather to become the king of the world. If it was the earlier, Aokiji won’t be part of his crew.
The color spread is based off of strength and was confirmed with Law’s crew by Oda iirc.
So irregardless of whether Aokiji joins, Oda’s is telling us that Shiryu is No.2. Logically it doesn’t make sense at the moment but it doesn’t really matter at this point tbh. Most important ting is that Shiryu is the No.2 by the time the BB pirates face off against Teach and his boys.
Even the argument that Kuzan is going to leave the crew prior to the matchups has no bearing on that statement as Kuzan is quite literally a member of the BB pirates atm. So Oda can do two things to stick with the narrative you’re going for. 1.) upscale BB’s top 2 to be > Kuzan or 2.) have Kuzan leave.
most logical choice atm given Kuzan’s choice in the Garp fight, the need to upscale Zoro & Sanji’s opponents in relation to their PLs, the potential of Teach as the final antagonist & the existence of god tiers is the former imo.
Again an admiral was killed by Rocks mid-diff at worst & said Rocks was negged by Imu. So we are already past the point of preserving Admiral power levels. This is no slight on the admirals btw bar has simply just been raised higher.
Depends on Kuzan’s objective, at the very least I don’t think Kuzan’s goal is to increase his individual strength level.
Already addressed this point above with my Admiral < Rocks << Imu argument.
Luffy’s ceiling is god tier right around where Imu is so again we already past the level of preserving the strength of the Admirals and same applies to the Yonko tbh.
On Akainu, he can be as strong as Oda wants him to be at this point. He came out on top against Kuzan after all & Oda could give him ACoC and or awakening to set him apart from the other Admirals.
Also Kuzan being no.4 of the bb pirates doesn’t make him a Tobi Roppo equivalent. That is still top exec level.
That means 2 things a) Either that whole section would play out without Kuzans involvement (weird and bad) B) Kuzan would be present, involved but as part of the BBP i guess despite BBP in general seeing Marines just as scum to be slaughtered?
Also Teach’s goal is not the eradication of the marines but rather to become the king of the world. If that were the case Aokiji won’t be part of his crew.
idk like i get the power argument im not attached to powerlevel progression (as oda himself clearly isnt) but i dont see it storywise for kuzan
Also Teach’s goal is not the eradication of the marines but rather to become the king of the world. If that were the case Aokiji won’t be part of his crew.
idk like i get the power argument im not attached to powerlevel progression (as oda himself clearly isnt
) but i dont see it storywise for kuzan
Also Teach’s goal is not the eradication of the marines but rather to become the king of the world. If it was the earlier, Aokiji won’t be part of his crew.
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