General & Others None of the Monster Trio are self-made

[Apollo]

With the latest SBS confirmation, we can officially say that neither Luffy, Zoro or Sanji are actually self made powerful combatants, and instead rely a lot on outside factors to help them grow in power. With focus on special genes, as its a common factor between all three.

self-made
adjective
ˌself-ˈmād
: made such by one's own actions
especially : having achieved success or prominence by one's own efforts

Luffy:
-Genetics: Monkey D. Garp's grandson and Dragon's son (The hero of the marines and Leader of the Revolutionary army respectively).
-Inherited CoC from his lineage.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

-Devil Fruit: The Mythical Zoan God Nika fruit that hasn't been awakened for 800 years from the times of Joyboy that eluded the World Government since those times. Gives him the power of imagination, with implication that the fruit itself chose Luffy.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Zoro:
Lineage: Descendant of Ryuma the legendary samurai of Wano and God of The Blade who managed to protect Wano from the World Government.
Likely inherited CoC from that side of his family as well.
-Weapons: Zoro was handed high grade swords from multiple people: Wado he got after Kuina's death, Enma he inherited from Oden. Enma especially taught him how to flow his haki which aided him against Kaido and King, his two toughest fights so far.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

Spoiler: Special Exhibit- Enma

Spoiler: How Wado helped Zoro tame Enma

Sanji:
-Genetics: Perhaps a point used a lot against Sanji, as he is engineered to be strong. His durability and heat resistance come from those genes, which also allow him to use his strongest attacks without self harm(Diable&Ifrit Jambe). Of course, the exoskeleton is also unique to Germa.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

This thread was done with a bit of speed so I may have missed some parts for any of the three characters, but by now it is obvious that in the world of One Piece you are bound by your "Fate" and "Lineage" which I see as contradictory to a story whose main character seeks freedom more than anything.

 

[Herrera95]

So Zoro is not self made because he has parent and use swords?

With that logic no one is self made anywhere.

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

1. I get where youre going and yes its in a way true but the nearest of all 3 to be a selfmade powerhouse is Zoro cause for example take all powers from luffy/Zoro and Sanji away and let them start the journey as normal humans without Devil Fruits the one who would dominate would be Zoro due to his way of living which contains (Sleep/training/eat/drink/repeat)
2. Even if Luffy awakens basic coc before Zoro he aint standing a Chance cause it would do shit

 

[Cruxroux]

Are you kidding me?
Zoro has lineage from Ryuma as if he is his clone or straight son.
Zoro trains the most in Strawhats and where others never do (except for timeskip)

Even Yasuie is shitmotsuki , why didn't he forge a black blade of his and fight kaido himself?

Ryuma was 800-400 years ago Stuff.

To the matter of fact Zoro grandma could be herself half Shitmotsuki if Their parents were from different clan. Which already leaves us with 50% of shitmotsuki bloodline. Brining in Roronoa Pinzoro it get reduced to 25 % by the time it reaches Roronoa Arashi.
And for Zoro 12.5%. which is almost negligible.
Momonusuke and Hiyori are from Kozuki clan too but neither of them is strong like oden.
Saul being one of the D. Clan member isn't strong himself aokiji lol diffed him.

Whereas for luffy And Sanji its literally connection from their father.

 

[AL sama]

-Inherited CoC from his lineage.

Spoiler

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COC can't be inherited so this bit is wrong

also what are you trying to say by this thread??

you can't just overlook how hard all of them trained to get where they are currently

 

[Kerkovian]

Are you kidding me?
Zoro has lineage from Ryuma as if he is his clone or straight son.
Zoro trains the most in Strawhats and where others never do (except for timeskip)

Even Yasuie is shitmotsuki , why didn't he forge a black blade of his and fight kaido himself?

Ryuma was 800-400 years ago Stuff.

To the matter of fact Zoro grandma could be herself half Shitmotsuki if Their parents were from different clan. Which already leaves us with 50% of shitmotsuki bloodline. Brining in Roronoa Pinzoro it get reduced to 25 % by the time it reaches Roronoa Arashi.
And for Zoro 12.5%. which is almost negligible.
Momonusuke and Hiyori are from Kozuki clan too but neither of them is strong like oden.
Saul being one of the D. Clan member isn't strong himself aokiji lol diffed him.

Whereas for luffy And Sanji its literally connection from their father.

What connection from his father helped him awaken a fruit that hasn't in like 800 years?

Can Zolo do anything with random swords? No. If he were self made, he'd beat King with wodden plank (if his swords weren't supreme grade and Enma didn't have Oden's haki. ) Can Zolo beat King without his swords and just random no named blades? NO!

 

[Cruxroux]

What connection from his father helped him awaken a fruit that hasn't in like 800 years?

Lmao everything from coc to Him being physically stronger than average human. Garp himself said so he's born with it too 🤣🤣🤣.

Can Zolo do anything with random swords? No. If he were self made, he'd beat King with wodden plank (if his swords weren't supreme grade and Enma didn't have Oden's haki. ) Can Zolo beat King without his swords and just random no named blades? NO!

Zoro beats King without enma stop coping lmao. It was lunarian hax which took time to be figured out.

Zoro with random sword and his own haki can easily beat king.

 

[Herrera95]

Zoro has lineage from Ryuma as if he is his clone or straight son.

Zoro is like 100 generations past Ryuuma.
And we all have the same source DNA material. We are all start dust.

Saul being one of the D. Clan member isn't strong himself aokiji lol diffed him.

D Clan has nothing special strong wise. Do you think Portgas D Ace could beat an Admiral? Portgas d Ace? Trafalgar D Law?

 

[The White Crane]

With the latest SBS confirmation, we can officially say that neither Luffy, Zoro or Sanji are actually self made powerful combatants, and instead rely a lot on outside factors to help them grow in power. With focus on special genes, as its a common factor between all three.



Luffy:
-Genetics: Monkey D. Garp's grandson and Dragon's son (The hero of the marines and Leader of the Revolutionary army respectively).
-Inherited CoC from his lineage.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

-Devil Fruit: The Mythical Zoan God Nika fruit that hasn't been awakened for 800 years from the times of Joyboy that eluded the World Government since those times. Gives him the power of imagination, with implication that the fruit itself chose Luffy.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Zoro:
Lineage: Descendant of Ryuma the legendary samurai of Wano and God of The Blade who managed to protect Wano from the World Government.
Likely inherited CoC from that side of his family as well.
-Weapons: Zoro was handed high grade swords from multiple people: Wado he got after Kuina's death, Enma he inherited from Oden. Enma especially taught him how to flow his haki which aided him against Kaido and King, his two toughest fights so far.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

Spoiler: Special Exhibit- Enma

Spoiler: How Wado helped Zoro tame Enma

Sanji:
-Genetics: Perhaps a point used a lot against Sanji, as he is engineered to be strong. His durability and heat resistance come from those genes, which also allow him to use his strongest attacks without self harm(Diable&Ifrit Jambe). Of course, the exoskeleton is also unique to Germa.

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

This thread was done with a bit of speed so I may have missed some parts for any of the three characters, but by now it is obvious that in the world of One Piece you are bound by your "Fate" and "Lineage" which I see as contradictory to a story whose main character seeks freedom more than anything.

Zoro has Pinzoro's genes, not Ryuma's genes.

 

[NikaInParis]

He got sword talent from his Ryuma lineage, and 3 sword style from his mom.

 

[Cruxroux]

Can Zolo beat King without his swords and just random no named blades? NO!

Even this Zoro can beat King.

 

[Herrera95]

Can Zolo do anything with random swords?

He literally break steel sword while using random sword given to him at Arlong Park.

Zoro's source of power doesn't come from his swords. His swords are little to irrelevant boost. Only Shusui was somewhat decent boost.

 

[Kerkovian]

Lmao everything from coc to Him being physically stronger than average human. Garp himself said so he's born with it too 🤣🤣🤣.


Zoro beats King without enma stop coping lmao. It was lunarian hax which took time to be figured out.

Zoro with random sword and his own haki can easily beat king.

lmao you must have a peasized brain if you think Lolo doesn't get one shot without Enma. Enma is the reason Zolo even got CoC why didn't he have it before he used Enma then, zolocock? You just got owned.

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He literally break steel sword while using random sword given to him at Arlong Park.

Zoro's source of power doesn't come from his swords. His swords are little to irrelevant boost. Only Shusui was somewhat decent boost.

Dont bring headcannon, loser. Give proof that zoro beats king without Enma or else take the L and sod off.

 

[Cruxroux]

3 sword style from his mom.

Its literally shown Zoro Took as many sword as possible when he got the chance. What sort of headcanon is this.

 

[Boundless]

Just another reason to support the self-made Eustass Widd

 

[SkySanji]

Zoro's character was already trash but Oda just pissed on it's grave lol

Even with Ryuma's genes, Zolo would have died in chapter 3 without Luffy

 

[Welkin]

I do kinda dislike that half of our main characters just so happen to be genetically gifted in some way or they have a crazy lineage

Luffy : Everything you said

Zoro : Everything you said

Sanji : Everything you said

Usopp : Son of Yasopp a Yonko Commander who's arguably the best Sniper in the verse (probably where Usopp got his skill from)

Robin : Daughter of Nico Olvia

Jinbe : Fishman but whether you count that or not is up to you

We're probably gonna find out that Nami is the princess of a lost Kingdom in the sky that could control the weather at will

 

[Cruxroux]

lmao you must have a peasized brain if you think Lolo doesn't get one shot without Enma. Enma is the reason Zolo even got CoC why didn't he have it before he used Enma then, zolocock? You just got owned.

Lmao keep coping luffy fruit is the reason he Been living this long or he was dead the moment he stepped out of Fusha village. Zoro was already terrorizing pirates at that time.

Enma is straightout Zoro haki and Nerf when not mastered.

Dont bring headcannon, loser. Give proof that zoro beats king without Enma or else take the L and sod off

Lmao even ussop beats Luffy in water seven without his devil fruit.

 

[Apollo]

So Zoro is not self made because he has parent and use swords?

With that logic no one is self made anywhere.

He has a special lineage that probably made him have Conqueror's, like explained before in Luffy's case.
As for the swords, I already explained it. Enma taught him how to flow his haki and unlock KoH. Wado helped him use Enma's full power since they were forged by the same person. Without them, would Zoro have defeated King ? I do not think so.

COC can't be inherited so this bit is wrong

Check the panels I posted at Luffy's CoC section, Garp confirms people are born with CoC and Ivanvok immeditely makes the comparison to Dragon.

Also:
Kaido--->Yamato
Big Mom---> Katakuri
Roger---> Ace

All conqeror's also had conqeror children, for something that is supposed to be rare that seems like an awful coincendence.

Are you kidding me?
Zoro has lineage from Ryuma as if he is his clone or straight son.
Zoro trains the most in Strawhats and where others never do (except for timeskip)

Even Yasuie is shitmotsuki , why didn't he forge a black blade of his and fight kaido himself?

Ryuma was 800-400 years ago Stuff.

To the matter of fact Zoro grandma could be herself half Shitmotsuki if Their parents were from different clan. Which already leaves us with 50% of shitmotsuki bloodline. Brining in Roronoa Pinzoro it get reduced to 25 % by the time it reaches Roronoa Arashi.
And for Zoro 12.5%. which is almost negligible.
Momonusuke and Hiyori are from Kozuki clan too but neither of them is strong like oden.
Saul being one of the D. Clan member isn't strong himself aokiji lol diffed him.

Whereas for luffy And Sanji its literally connection from their father.

Sure, and he looks identical to Ryuma downright to the scar on one eye. You also ignore the "FATE" themes that were thrown around when Zoro was compared to Ryuma.

Nika/Joyboy was also from 800 years, does that make Gear 5 and the whole drums of liberation okay now ?

 

[AL sama]

Lmao everything from coc to Him being physically stronger than average human. Garp himself said so he's born with it too 🤣🤣🤣.


Zoro beats King without enma stop coping lmao. It was lunarian hax which took time to be figured out.

Zoro with random sword and his own haki can easily beat king.

there should be limits to how much biased one can get

so you're saying luffy didn't train at all to get where he is at now??