General & Others None of the Monster Trio are self-made

[NikaInParis]

Ryuma's CoC and genes carried the boy from East Blue

 

[Cruxroux]

there should be limits to how much biased one can get

so you're saying luffy didn't train at all to get where he is at now??

Tell me if you have ever seen luffy train properly except for Time skip.
He got hang of FS in hours , Learnt internal destruction in a week. That's it.
No more hardwork training is ever shown.

Zoro majority of the in ship either Trains or sleep or keep watch.

There clearly a huge difference

 

[Welkin]

Tell me if you have ever seen luffy train properly except for Time skip.
He got hang of FS in hours , Learnt internal destruction in a week. That's it.
No more hardwork training is ever shown.

Zoro majority of the in ship either Trains or sleep or keep watch.

There clearly a huge difference

He trained for 10 years to use his fruit properly

What are you talking about bro

 

[Cruxroux]

Sure, and he looks identical to Ryuma downright to the scar on one eye. You also ignore the "FATE" themes that were thrown around when Zoro was compared to Ryuma.

Yea but calling Zoro has everything due to ryuma is straight out bullshit.
Zoro made his own style. Trained himself. Honed his own haki.
Mihawk has better role in making Zoro stronger than Shitmotsuki bloodline.

 

[NikaInParis]

He trained for 10 years to use his fruit properly

What are you talking about bro

That doesn't count:saden:

 

[Cruxroux]

He trained for 10 years to use his fruit properly

What are you talking about bro

All he was doing was gomu gomu no pistol after 10 years.

 

[Herrera95]

He has a special lineage that probably made him have Conqueror's, like explained before in Luffy's case.
As for the swords, I already explained it. Enma taught him how to flow his haki and unlock KoH. Wado helped him use Enma's full power since they were forged by the same person. Without them, would Zoro have defeated King ? I do not think so.

Conqueror doesn't work like that. Is about the individual and not about his family.

Katakuri so far is the only on Big Mom's family that has Conqueror.

Don Chinjao son doesn't showed Conqueror yet.

Nobody besides Doffy in his family showed Conqueror.

Neither Momonosuke or Hiyori showed Conqueror yet.

Hancock's sisters didn't showed Conqueror yet.

Enma didn't taught Zoro nothing. That is headcannon. Zoro learned Ryou at Alabasta fighting Mr 1 because his village master once told him about breath of all things. CoC coating was unlocked in an extreme situation just like Luffy did after being knocked out by Kaido again. Rayleigh let that clear when he is trainning Luffy. Haki blooms on extreme situations. There is no magic way to unlock haki, advanced versions etc.

Zoro had better chances against Yonkos and King without Enma. He didn't even needed CoC coating if he had Shusui in the place of Enma.

 

[AL sama]

Check the panels I posted at Luffy's CoC section, Garp confirms people are born with CoC and Ivanvok immeditely makes the comparison to Dragon.

Also:
Kaido--->Yamato
Big Mom---> Katakuri
Roger---> Ace

All conqeror's also had conqeror children, for something that is supposed to be rare that seems like an awful coincendence.

COC isn't something that can be inherited

if someone has the will to be the best they will awaken COC

yamato katakuri and ace has shown such desires hence they awakened COC

 

[Welkin]

All he was doing was gomu gomu no pistol after 10 years.

That's still hard work though

 

[Soyz]

Zoro is like 100 generations past Ryuuma.
And we all have the same source DNA material. We are all start dust.


D Clan has nothing special strong wise. Do you think Portgas D Ace could beat an Admiral? Portgas d Ace? Trafalgar D Law?

Do you even know how long a generation is ? its close to like 6-7 generations behind if ryuma was 400 years ago. and watch how luffy got joyboy liniage from 800 years ago gave him the voice of all things so it doesnt matter how long ago was it.

 

[Salah WG]

DF Users are Enhanced
Scientifically Modified Humans are Enhanced
Non-Human Races are Enhanced
Zoro is neither of these Three

Luffy, Brook, Chopper & Robin are DF-Enhanced
Franky & Sanji are Scientifically Enhanced
Jinbe is a Fishman (Whale Shark) which makes him Superhuman
And we can include Nami who uses DF-Enhanced Weapon (Zeus)

Zoro & Usopp are the ones who are completely Self-Made among SHs
And the Idea here is very clear, Usopp is Weakest SH while Zoro is Strongest
Oda made both Two Extremes Self-Made to show Potential of Human Power & also Human Courage (He likes to call it Guts)

 

[Necrohol]

They'd all still be very strong without the genes, DF or magic swords. Is Kaido a bum just because he relies on his COC and DF? BM? No. They just wouldn't be as strong.

 

[HA001]

Zoro is self made.

Just as ryuma was self made.

Ryuma was a normal man with a 3rd ranked sword who rose to the top from his own hard work.

 

[Apollo]

COC isn't something that can be inherited

if someone has the will to be the best they will awaken COC

You are contradicting the manga right now:

People are born with CoC, they do not gain it. By your logic Chopper can awaken CoC if he wants to become the best doctor

More ambition than Yamato and Katakuri.

 

[Welkin]

Yea but calling Zoro has everything due to ryuma is straight out bullshit.
Zoro made his own style. Trained himself. Honed his own haki.
Mihawk has better role in making Zoro stronger than Shitmotsuki bloodline.

I agree but I think the SBS is a bit worrying for Zoro's character

Mainly because Oda mentioned "fate" as well

At this point it's clear that Zoro is also destined for greatness

Like literally destined

 

[AL sama]

Tell me if you have ever seen luffy train properly except for Time skip.
He got hang of FS in hours , Learnt internal destruction in a week. That's it.
No more hardwork training is ever shown.

Zoro majority of the in ship either Trains or sleep or keep watch.

There clearly a huge difference

trained for 7 years something like before starting the journey
trained for 2 years during time skip
trained during during wano
has been going through death fights since the start which is a sort of training in pf itself

but nah only zoro trains

 

[HA001]

trained for 7 years something like before starting the journey
trained for 2 years during time skip
trained during during wano
has been going through death fights since the start which is a sort of training in pf itself

but nah only zoro trains

Luffy died and was bought back to life by his fruit which has a will of its own.

 

[Apollo]

@ Zorobros

Lets not act like Enma didn't ruin Zoro's "self-made" part. Without it he wouldn't learn King of Hell:

 

[NikaInParis]

Did Ryuma's haki genes skip Pinzoro and Arashi?
Or were him and Arashi irrelevant because they didn't have great blades to carry them?

 

[HA001]

@ Zorobros

Lets not act like Enma didn't ruin Zoro's "self-made" part. Without it he wouldn't learn King of Hell:

The king of hell is zoro releasing all HIS power