General & Others Not everyone is Roger

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#23
Personality wise he shares a lot with Luffy and that accounts on the PL side except Roger's haxi was probably utterly massive considering the lack of Nika hax.
 
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Formerly Seth

#25
Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being
  1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
  2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
  3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
  4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
  5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder πŸ—Ώ
Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal
Bullshit take.

People like Kaido and Big Mom didn't do it simply because their resolve wasn't as strong and they thought they can settle with having armies on their own or some shit.

Roger's crew was just a crew sailing, he didn't had to bother himself with territories and shit. He went wherever he want.

Kaido, WB and Big Mom were literally lap dogs of Rocks. It deffo had some mental strain on them. His will was only paralleled by Roger.
 
#27
big mom and kaido want one piece and they have own red poneglyph in their territory.
β€˜Also kaido think he can change the world

Whitebeard remain the top until he died which it men he is strongest pirate .


yes you need haki to conquer the sea. All admirals have haki . They are not caribou type.
 
#29
Bullshit take.

People like Kaido and Big Mom didn't do it simply because their resolve wasn't as strong and they thought they can settle with having armies on their own or some shit.

Roger's crew was just a crew sailing, he didn't had to bother himself with territories and shit. He went wherever he want.

Kaido, WB and Big Mom were literally lap dogs of Rocks. It deffo had some mental strain on them. His will was only paralleled by Roger.
Lol fraud roger had no competition in becoming the PK and had oden gift wraped to him otherwise he would never become PK
 
#31
Bullshit take.

People like Kaido and Big Mom didn't do it simply because their resolve wasn't as strong and they thought they can settle with having armies on their own or some shit.

Roger's crew was just a crew sailing, he didn't had to bother himself with territories and shit. He went wherever he want.

Kaido, WB and Big Mom were literally lap dogs of Rocks. It deffo had some mental strain on them. His will was only paralleled by Roger.
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So your basically saying no one has been able to do it like roger did since he died?
 
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Formerly Seth

#32
Lol fraud roger had no competition in becoming the PK and had oden gift wraped to him otherwise he would never become PK
PK is a consolidation prize.

You can even call it by Roger's action after finalizing the sail. Oden didn't gift him shit, if not for Oden he would find another fraud to read poneglyphs perhaps some bitch from Ohara.

Roger and Rocks were rivals. Roger dueling with Garp and Whitebeard was him trying to make up for lack of challenge that Rocks brought to the table for him.

Kaido himself holds Roger in the highest regard, ofc u may say he never called him above himself but cmon. The statement about Haki is clear what Kaido meant.






Kaido stopped developing to me, I was genuinely surprised when I saw that quick King flashback, Kaido fucking smiling from ear to ear, feeling passion and shit.

We need context on what broke him. Kaido is a bit like Doffy to me but obviously Kaido peaked almost at the top of the world whereas Doffy way lower.

I see this comparison because they had dreams beyond simple ruling a country or shit but yet they had to stop at this.

At first I thought it has something to do with Rocks beating the living shit out of him but Kaido meeting King happens after the God's Valley incident. We need more insight.

No one came close to Roger. Whitebeard agenda is bullshit. I love WB but he was afraid of Kaido.
 
#33
You have to be a CoC specialist to have the potential of Roger, so that leaves it to characters like Luffy/Shanks/Rocks, not subordinate tier guys like Zoro or fake title holders like Mihawk.
 
#34
Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being
  1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
  2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
  3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
  4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
  5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder πŸ—Ώ
Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal
he conquered the seas because he had no competition and didnt have to beat a single top tier, he was fortunate enough for whitebeard to just let him have oden to allow him to get the one piece. No one else had that privilege.
 
#36
Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being
  1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
  2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
  3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
  4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
  5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder πŸ—Ώ
Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal
Roger has his good quality sword, swordmanship ability, haki ability, Voice of All Things, and Will of D tho?

I mean Luffy has his DF but Roger has his sword, more or less similar. Each has a weapon.

The strongest ones in One Piece World have every stat to the max and they also have the best weapons in the world. Thats why Kaidou has dragon fruit, WB has quake fruit and supreme grade bisento, Roger has supreme grade sword etc, and all have max or near-max haki and other stats. The strongest ones have everything, thats why they can conquer the world.
 
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#38
Kaido statement was mainly only about Roger

Shanks didn't conquer the seas as King of this era nor as WS despite his haki, he's below Kaido & BM
Prime Garp was never even above YYonko despite his haki, he still was struggling vs Chinjao.

Roger had max haki + top skills + i bet D. Clan ancestral powers.

Roger is just the exception. Every King of the seas or WS has df except him!
 
#39
Wow they are already trembling
Yep I agree with you, 99.9 % are haki users but just aint Roger.
Then you have that 0.1% who incidentally is both a swordsman and an advanced Coc user, and you start wondering...
 
#40
theres literally no way of knowing how strong ryuma was
how strong were the people he fought
is it the black blade
the same one mihawk has?


if they didnt have that ambition , you are still proving his point
roger had the ambition and willpower to do it
none of these guys do including zoro
Ryuma is a God from the same country that produced a Samurai that ranks on the same level as Roger according to Kaido. But you already knew this.
 
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