Speculations Novel reasons why Zoro and Sanji vs admirals is less likely than you think

Skipper017

Skipper017

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#22
#22
AdmiralKinyagi said:
I’ve laid out the thread for why I think Law (tiger guy) and Kidd (bull guy) are the most likely opponents for Fujitora and Ryokugyu here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...al-opponents-are-ryokugyu-and-fujitora.21629/

In this thread I aim to provide two simple but rarely discussed reasons that have started to make me think that admirals fights are a lot more unlikely for Zoro and Sanji than the vast majority of the community.

1) There is no explicitly established strength hierarchy among the admirals.

Everyone understands that when the strawhats go up against an enemy organization:
- Zoro fights the second strongest
- Sanji fights the third strongest

The problem here is that not only do all of the admirals have equal rank and authority, there’s strong indication and portrayal that they’re basically equal in power.

2) In other organizations the strawhat have fought, the top two executives are clearly separated from the third executive and downwards.

Zoro and Sanji vs admirals implies that one admiral gets the short end of the stick which wouldn’t match previous portrayal.
- Jabra and Kaku are obviously much more powerful than Blueno
- Mr.1 and Mr.2 are obviously much more powerful than Mr.3
- A bit more controversial, but I would also argue that King and Queen are obviously much stronger than Jack.

Because there’s three admirals that all have roughly equal portrayal, it seems like there would be an odd admiral out if in fact the matchups happen.

Edit:

This doesn’t fix the issue for 2) because the largest gap in the organizations the SHs face is between the second strongest executive and downwards, not the first.

Second edit:

This is incredibly sketchy given 1) statements about the Navy’s power post TS and 2) rising stakes in shonen.

Fujitora looks less impressive than the OG 3 because the SHs he faced were massively more powerful and haki changed the meta.

If a logia admiral were in Dressrosa instead of Fuji they would also look significantly less impressive than Pre TS because of haki and the Mc’s progression.
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Akainu is the FA and will fight Luffy
While Z and S fight the admirals
 
H

Herrera95

#29
#29
You have good points but also remember that:

1. In Baratie Zoro fought the strongest villain/antagonist there. While Sanji fought the 3rd as usually.

2. In Arlong Park Zoro fought the 3rd while Sanji fought the 2nd. Or if you don't believe Hacchan was weaker than Kuroobi we could argue that was never stablished that. And both fought the strongest too.

3. Wano Zoro is fighting the 2nd strongest and then 3rd strongest while Sanji fought both 3nd and 4th strongest.

4. Oda can change things whenever he want to.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
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#30
#30
It doesn't really matter if Zoro doesn't often fight the strongest.

He will arguably take on Mihawk one day not to mention which will probably shit on anything Luffy will overcome bar BB and perhaps Im and about Im I warmly hope Zoro will make his part. 🧐
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#38
#38
AdmiralKinyagi said:
I’ve laid out the thread for why I think Law (tiger guy) and Kidd (bull guy) are the most likely opponents for Fujitora and Ryokugyu here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...al-opponents-are-ryokugyu-and-fujitora.21629/

In this thread I aim to provide two simple but rarely discussed reasons that have started to make me think that admirals fights are a lot more unlikely for Zoro and Sanji than the vast majority of the community.

1) There is no explicitly established strength hierarchy among the admirals.

Everyone understands that when the strawhats go up against an enemy organization:
- Zoro fights the second strongest
- Sanji fights the third strongest

The problem here is that not only do all of the admirals have equal rank and authority, there’s strong indication and portrayal that they’re basically equal in power.

2) In other organizations the strawhat have fought, the top two executives are clearly separated from the third executive and downwards.

Zoro and Sanji vs admirals implies that one admiral gets the short end of the stick which wouldn’t match previous portrayal.
- Jabra and Kaku are obviously much more powerful than Blueno
- Mr.1 and Mr.2 are obviously much more powerful than Mr.3
- A bit more controversial, but I would also argue that King and Queen are obviously much stronger than Jack.

Because there’s three admirals that all have roughly equal portrayal, it seems like there would be an odd admiral out if in fact the matchups happen.

Edit:

This doesn’t fix the issue for 2) because the largest gap in the organizations the SHs face is between the second strongest executive and downwards, not the first.

Second edit:

This is incredibly sketchy given 1) statements about the Navy’s power post TS and 2) rising stakes in shonen.

Fujitora looks less impressive than the OG 3 because the SHs he faced were massively more powerful and haki changed the meta.

If a logia admiral were in Dressrosa instead of Fuji they would also look significantly less impressive than Pre TS because of haki and the Mc’s progression.
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So Luffy will beat one Admiral and Law and Kidd will face the other one and the third Admiral will just there for shits and giggles so Zoro fan face a vice Admiral.

Oh and while we are at it 2nd Admiral will conveniently forget to use awakening.

Dude Zoro doesn't need an admiral opponent, an admiral opponent need Zoro to gain credibility. Zoro already has feats to beat one
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AdmiralKinyagi said:
I’ve laid out the thread for why I think Law (tiger guy) and Kidd (bull guy) are the most likely opponents for Fujitora and Ryokugyu here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...al-opponents-are-ryokugyu-and-fujitora.21629/

In this thread I aim to provide two simple but rarely discussed reasons that have started to make me think that admirals fights are a lot more unlikely for Zoro and Sanji than the vast majority of the community.

1) There is no explicitly established strength hierarchy among the admirals.

Everyone understands that when the strawhats go up against an enemy organization:
- Zoro fights the second strongest
- Sanji fights the third strongest

The problem here is that not only do all of the admirals have equal rank and authority, there’s strong indication and portrayal that they’re basically equal in power.

2) In other organizations the strawhat have fought, the top two executives are clearly separated from the third executive and downwards.

Zoro and Sanji vs admirals implies that one admiral gets the short end of the stick which wouldn’t match previous portrayal.
- Jabra and Kaku are obviously much more powerful than Blueno
- Mr.1 and Mr.2 are obviously much more powerful than Mr.3
- A bit more controversial, but I would also argue that King and Queen are obviously much stronger than Jack.

Because there’s three admirals that all have roughly equal portrayal, it seems like there would be an odd admiral out if in fact the matchups happen.

Edit:

This doesn’t fix the issue for 2) because the largest gap in the organizations the SHs face is between the second strongest executive and downwards, not the first.

Second edit:

This is incredibly sketchy given 1) statements about the Navy’s power post TS and 2) rising stakes in shonen.

Fujitora looks less impressive than the OG 3 because the SHs he faced were massively more powerful and haki changed the meta.

If a logia admiral were in Dressrosa instead of Fuji they would also look significantly less impressive than Pre TS because of haki and the Mc’s progression.
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You should be more worried about how pathetic an admiral looks when Sanji beats him without CoC using another daddy mommy power up.

Zoro would still have Mihawk later on to save face and Luffy will have Blackbeard but sanji beating admiral would fully kill mystique of an admiral.
 
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