Current Events Oda has the same problem as GRRM
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Literally 2 incomparable things. You were never promised seeing Nidai and Shodai, even if they exist. Zoro was never shown at all in the story to have taken interest in collecting them or upgrading the kitetsus from one to another. They were never mentioned in the story, not until Nidai randomly showed Wano. Imu's identity has been repeatedly teased in this manga and is key to undetstanding the WG
You are really trying to die on this hill lmao
You are really trying to die on this hill lmao
It is the exact same thing:
-You are not promised to see Imu real face
-Luffy never shown any interest to see or to know who is ruling the world
-Until the reverie arc, Imu was never mentioned nor alluded in the story.
But you are still expecting to see Imu face reveal, to see Luffy meets Imu and to have an explanation on what happened to Lulesca (even tho Luffy never hear of that name).
The author does not have to spoonfed you that something will need a resolution for you to expect a resolution.
-You are not promised to see Imu real face
-Luffy never shown any interest to see or to know who is ruling the world
-Until the reverie arc, Imu was never mentioned nor alluded in the story.
But you are still expecting to see Imu face reveal, to see Luffy meets Imu and to have an explanation on what happened to Lulesca (even tho Luffy never hear of that name).
The author does not have to spoonfed you that something will need a resolution for you to expect a resolution.
Not underrating grrm but oda definately deserves same mention on levels of great writer. The past few arcs i kinda agree where underwhelming.
To me if you tell if i was invested on any other literature other than GOT, lord of the rings . One piece definately draws huge crowd even though its shounen .
I kinda lost respect for grrm he is too lazy to finish the literary he started there is possible chance we may have to live with poor got ending.
To me if you tell if i was invested on any other literature other than GOT, lord of the rings . One piece definately draws huge crowd even though its shounen .
I kinda lost respect for grrm he is too lazy to finish the literary he started there is possible chance we may have to live with poor got ending.
Except that I’m not talking about the importance of the plotline here, but how it was handle. Yes, Imu is more important than the Kitetsu but that did not change the fact that the Kitetsu plotline was abandoned.
If you do not care about this plotline good for you but, at least, don’t try to gaslight people by saying their expectations were not legitimate. Because, as I said earlier, it is disingenuous.
If you do not care about this plotline good for you but, at least, don’t try to gaslight people by saying their expectations were not legitimate. Because, as I said earlier, it is disingenuous.
Scene of Imu's identity being questioned:
The most you get on Nidai is a namedrop in a chapter not about Nidai, but Sandai:
There is no ambition here from Zoro stating he wants to find and claim Nidai and Shodai. There is nothing in Wano that says the same thing.
Again, you want to be petty and discuss what you "expect" vs. what the manga "promised" you, then thats on you. Those are 2 different things. The manga didn't "promise" you some great moment with Nidai Kitetsu, it merely mentioned what it was. Nothing was actually dropped, because there was no actual plotline centered around it.
The most you get on Nidai is a namedrop in a chapter not about Nidai, but Sandai:
There is no ambition here from Zoro stating he wants to find and claim Nidai and Shodai. There is nothing in Wano that says the same thing.
Again, you want to be petty and discuss what you "expect" vs. what the manga "promised" you, then thats on you. Those are 2 different things. The manga didn't "promise" you some great moment with Nidai Kitetsu, it merely mentioned what it was. Nothing was actually dropped, because there was no actual plotline centered around it.
Scene of Imu's identity being questioned:
The most you get on Nidai is a namedrop in a chapter not about Nidai, but Sandai:
There is no ambition here from Zoro stating he wants to find and claim Nidai and Shodai. There is nothing in Wano that says the same thing.
Again, you want to be petty and discuss what you "expect" vs. what the manga "promised" you, then thats on you. Those are 2 different things. The manga didn't "promise" you some great moment with Nidai Kitetsu, it merely mentioned what it was. Nothing was actually dropped, because there was no actual plotline centered around it.
The most you get on Nidai is a namedrop in a chapter not about Nidai, but Sandai:
There is no ambition here from Zoro stating he wants to find and claim Nidai and Shodai. There is nothing in Wano that says the same thing.
Again, you want to be petty and discuss what you "expect" vs. what the manga "promised" you, then thats on you. Those are 2 different things. The manga didn't "promise" you some great moment with Nidai Kitetsu, it merely mentioned what it was. Nothing was actually dropped, because there was no actual plotline centered around it.
In the named chapter we learned that :
We arrived to Wano and we had a callback to chapter 97 and an emphasis on the Kitetsu :
Oda has put « Kitetsu 2 » in bold to show that it is an important plot element.
Oda even hinted at Luffy falling under its curse :
Putting « cursed blade » in bold, pointing at the importance of this element.
=> with the information that was given to us in chapter 97 ( Kitetsu 3) it is legitimate to think that Luffy might be cursed which can lead to his life being threatenen.
The Kitetsu were so important at that moment that Oda use the introduction of the Nidai Kitetsu to talk again about the grade of the meito as he did in chapter 97 (another callback):
Twice after that Zoro has shown interest in the blade :
So:
-Oda twice has made an emphasis about the Kitetsu being cursed blade
-Oda twice has explained that a character using a Kitetsu blade will fall under his curse and die young
-Oda twice has used the introduction of a Kitetsu blade to talk about the grade of the meito
-The Kitetsu have a named chapter
Which show that at that point the Kitetsu was an important part of the lore which is why Oda use 2 callbacks from chapter 97 (the curse blade lore and the Meito lore) and furthermore made the proéminent swordman of the crew have a great interest in the Kitetsu 2 after he risked his arm to get the Kitetsu 3.
I don’t know if I’m petty but I do know that there was a plotline and it was dropped.
In the Loguetown arc the Kitetsu had a named chapter:
In the named chapter we learned that :
We arrive to Wano and we have a callback to chapter 97 and and emphasis the Kitetsu :
Oda has put « Kitetsu 2 » in bold to show that it is an important plot element.
Oda even hinted at Luffy falling under curse :
Putting « cursed blade » in bold, pointing at the importance of this element.
=> with the information that was given to us in chapter 97 ( Kitetsu 3) it is legitimate to think that Luffy might be cursed which can lead to his life be threatenen.
The Kitetsu were so important at that moment that Oda use the introduction of the Nidai Kitetsu to talk again about the grade of the meito as he did in chapter 97 (another callback):
Twice after that Zoro has shown interest in the blade :
So:
-Oda twice has made an emphasis about the Kitetsu being cursed blade
-Oda twice has explained that a character using a Kitetsu blade will fall under his curse and die young
-Oda twice has used the introduction of a Kitetsu blade to talk about the grade of the meito
-The Kitetsu have a named chapter
Which show that at that point the Kitetsu was an important part of the lore which is why Oda use 2 callbacks from chapter 97 (the curse blade lore and the Meito lore) and furthermore made the proéminent swordman of the crew have a great interest in the Kitetsu 2 after he risked his arm to get the Kitetsu 3.
I don’t know if I’m petty but I do know that there was a plotline and it was dropped.
In the named chapter we learned that :
We arrive to Wano and we have a callback to chapter 97 and and emphasis the Kitetsu :
Oda has put « Kitetsu 2 » in bold to show that it is an important plot element.
Oda even hinted at Luffy falling under curse :
Putting « cursed blade » in bold, pointing at the importance of this element.
=> with the information that was given to us in chapter 97 ( Kitetsu 3) it is legitimate to think that Luffy might be cursed which can lead to his life be threatenen.
The Kitetsu were so important at that moment that Oda use the introduction of the Nidai Kitetsu to talk again about the grade of the meito as he did in chapter 97 (another callback):
Twice after that Zoro has shown interest in the blade :
So:
-Oda twice has made an emphasis about the Kitetsu being cursed blade
-Oda twice has explained that a character using a Kitetsu blade will fall under his curse and die young
-Oda twice has used the introduction of a Kitetsu blade to talk about the grade of the meito
-The Kitetsu have a named chapter
Which show that at that point the Kitetsu was an important part of the lore which is why Oda use 2 callbacks from chapter 97 (the curse blade lore and the Meito lore) and furthermore made the proéminent swordman of the crew have a great interest in the Kitetsu 2 after he risked his arm to get the Kitetsu 3.
I don’t know if I’m petty but I do know that there was a plotline and it was dropped.
- There is no emphasis in Japanese, only ViZ decided to bold it for translations. The chapter was abput Sandai Kitetsu, a blade that is still relevant to Zoro and one Hitetsu talks about, to which he mentions Nidai was created by his ancestor.
- Nothing you have stated supports anything needed to happen with Zoro and Nidai kitetsu. Literally nothing.
Actually try and explain what you wanted out of this. If there was an actual plotline you were promised, explain what "should" have happened with verbal proof from Zoro that didnt already happen. Go ahead, Im waiting, because there was nothing relevant about Nidai Kitetsu from a plot standpoint.
Again, you WANTED something to happen, it does not mean it was a dropped plot point.
If the author is using callback it is because he wants the readers to remember a plot element that was introduced earlier in the story. Here there are two plot elements : the “Cursed blade” and the “Meito’s grade”.
I already told you that the plotline that was meant for the Nidai was given to Enma which is why the Nidai was abandonned. The whole “blade are, in fact, not cursed” was the resolution of the Kitetsu curse plot line that was introduced in chapter 97. The whole “a blade can change grade of turned black” is the continuity of the “Blades have grade” plotline.
So basically there is nothing that I WANTED to happen because it happened but with another sword.
I already told you that the plotline that was meant for the Nidai was given to Enma which is why the Nidai was abandonned. The whole “blade are, in fact, not cursed” was the resolution of the Kitetsu curse plot line that was introduced in chapter 97. The whole “a blade can change grade of turned black” is the continuity of the “Blades have grade” plotline.
So basically there is nothing that I WANTED to happen because it happened but with another sword.
No thats you expecting that blades having a grade must mean they are synonomous with Zoro being involved with them lol.
Nothing you just said is an expectation we were supposed to have about Nidai doing anything in Wano. In fact, you learn about Black Blades and Enma being upgraded after Nidai stopped being relevant and was returned to Hitetsu.
You "thinking" Enma stole Nidai's plot relevance doesnt even matter frankly lol, because its never stated to be comparable in the slightest.
Nothing you just said is an expectation we were supposed to have about Nidai doing anything in Wano. In fact, you learn about Black Blades and Enma being upgraded after Nidai stopped being relevant and was returned to Hitetsu.
You "thinking" Enma stole Nidai's plot relevance doesnt even matter frankly lol, because its never stated to be comparable in the slightest.
It is not me expecting Zoro to be involved with every grade sword. It is the character saying twice that he wanted to interact with the Kitetsu 2. So we see Zoro showing interest a sword that is linked to one of the sword he already have and it is not legitimate to expect from Oda to follow through?
So Kitetsu 2 is the first named sword that is introduced to us in the land of the samurai, that is a cursed blade and a direct callback to another sword the readers are used to but it is not legitimate to expect Oda to follow through?
So Oda just introduce element in his story, does all kind of callback about the said element for absolutely no reason at all. So what you are saying is that Oda has no control over his own story?
Let me guess, you also think that it was not legitimate to expect Zoro to go to the Ryuma’s grave?
It is relevant enough for you to try to bail out Oda from valid criticisms tho.
So Kitetsu 2 is the first named sword that is introduced to us in the land of the samurai, that is a cursed blade and a direct callback to another sword the readers are used to but it is not legitimate to expect Oda to follow through?
So Oda just introduce element in his story, does all kind of callback about the said element for absolutely no reason at all. So what you are saying is that Oda has no control over his own story?
Let me guess, you also think that it was not legitimate to expect Zoro to go to the Ryuma’s grave?
It is relevant enough for you to try to bail out Oda from valid criticisms tho.
